So the camera issues came all at one time today.

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First the auto-focus knob broke off my K20D and then I get an SMC 200mm f 4.0 lens in the mail purchased on eBay with lots of fungus on the inside of the rear lens element. What is your experience with lens fungus. I know it cannot be completely resolved and this one is inside and cannot be gotten to.

I got a really intersting response from the seller. Putting it mildly of course. I was instructed to spit on the lens.



I sent the seller this;

I just received this lens. Unfortunately the glass is not perfect as you described in the auction. The rear lens has considerable fungal growth on the inner surface which is easily visible. It covers about 25% of the lens surface starting on the outer edge moving inward. This amount of fungal growth will adversely affect image resolution especially at the maximum aperture and it will likely continue to grow which usually happens. I will attempt to photograph this and send it to you in email to an email address you provide. Due to the condition not meeting the auction description I must return it for a full refund. Please respond as soon as possible.

I received this reply from the seller;

I will tell you that I inspected that lens and there was no fungal growth on it EVER in my possession. I inspected it carefully prior to listing and again prior to shipment and there as no fungus at all. The lens was stored in a cold, dry, basement since it was purchased in December. There is no fungus on any of the lenses I own and there wasn't any on that one when I shipped it.
However, if fungus was acquired in some manner during shipping the remedy is quite simple. Open the lens, spit on the fungus, wait 3 minutes, clean saliva and wipe effected lens area with a micro fiber cloth, put lens back together. Fungus is only damaging to a lens if it was on the lens for a long time and had a chance to eat away at the lens coating. And I can assure you this was NOT the case with that lens.

And my last response just before deciding to open a resolution with eBay due to my concern about his response;

The fungus is internal and I would certainly not take the lens apart so I can spit on it. Spitting on a lens is not a solution to fungus and I would be surprised that it grew that fast. Please start a process of refunding my purchase. This lens certainly has a serious issue that was not disclosed in the auction. end of last response.

The package was not damaged nor did it appear to have ever gotten wet. It was received from New York in 3 days time, so it wasn't sitting around anywhere wet for a long time.
 
Complain make a fuss, instigate the appropriate procedure with ebay. How did you pay for it? Does Paypal or your credit card company offer any kind of redress?

Don't give this guy more than 24 hours to respond. If he knew it was fungus-ridden, he deserves everything he gets. If he didn't then he is naive and ignorant, and needs to learn to take more care with what he sells.

That's assuming you are right about the fungus, of course.

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From your telling of it, you got screwed. You can dispute it and give the guy bad feedback. And of course you'll get bad feedback from him. Now both of you have black marks, but only one deserves one. And it will affect both of you the next time you buy/sell something.



I'll try to buy or sell locally if possible, but that's rarely possible with Pentax. Next, I'll buy/sell at Pentax Forum where I can at least deal with online names that I've seen before. Of course, that's not perfect either.

Oh well, hope it works out for you.
 
PM sent... get you money back and buy mine :) i'll even provide you with photographic evidence that there is no fungus
 
That is some nasty fungus! i've seen it in horror stories but never in real life... get your money back man! don't wait around for someone to buy it off you cheap
 
The seller has responded that he will process a refund. At first he insisted it was not fungus as he thought it would look like snow flakes, which sometimes fumgus does. He said he saw that gold ring and thought it was lens design? I responded that clearly it is fungus and regardless there should be nothing on that lens, fungus or not.

I was so hoping for a good copy of that lens. I am tainted by eBay once again and gun shy to try again. There are no camera stores in my area any longer that trade in good used Pentax gear. Heck no one sells the new stuff either. We have one store that still has a few used Pentax bodies and lenses but I swear all that they have looks like the worst stuff I have ever seen. The place that used to have all the good stuff went out of business about 10 years ago. I miss them!
 
Not so odd looking. I've seen some just like this before. Fortunatley none of mine, but I have seen bargain basement priced used lenses in camera stores that looked just like this. And seen many like it posted here in the past.

I appreciate the comments. Keepimg my fingers crossed that the refund goes thru. If it does I will gladely return this thing to him and chalk the return shipping up to valuable experience. No more used stuff on eBay for me. This is the 4th time in about 10 years with something like this. Always camers stuff too. And as was poimted out before, you can't leave negative feedback, lest ye get negative feedback as well. Not right!

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Hi,

That is a bad case! the trouble is, even if it's taken apart and cleaned, the fungus will have attacked the coatings. Anyway alls well that ends well. Ebay, unfortunately has become the place to sell below par lenses.
 
Russ Houston wrote:

From your telling of it, you got screwed. You can dispute it and give the guy bad feedback. And of course you'll get bad feedback from him. Now both of you have black marks, but only one deserves one. And it will affect both of you the next time you buy/sell something.
Completly WRONG

A seller cannot give bad feedback period.

Open a resolution Pay Pal use a escrow type system the payment you made to this bogus seller have not cleared his account ...ie he cannot remove your money.

Open a case ebay will after you provide proof remove the money from his account and place it in your (including postage) he has no choice and no say in the mater. (teach him for being a dxck.

Do not offer to cover postage for return of the item if the seller wants it back then he pays.
I'll try to buy or sell locally if possible, but that's rarely possible with Pentax. Next, I'll buy/sell at Pentax Forum where I can at least deal with online names that I've seen before. Of course, that's not perfect either.

Oh well, hope it works out for you.

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hcoley wrote:

The seller has responded that he will process a refund. At first he insisted it was not fungus as he thought it would look like snow flakes, which sometimes fumgus does. He said he saw that gold ring and thought it was lens design? I responded that clearly it is fungus and regardless there should be nothing on that lens, fungus or not.

I was so hoping for a good copy of that lens. I am tainted by eBay once again and gun shy to try again. There are no camera stores in my area any longer that trade in good used Pentax gear. Heck no one sells the new stuff either. We have one store that still has a few used Pentax bodies and lenses but I swear all that they have looks like the worst stuff I have ever seen. The place that used to have all the good stuff went out of business about 10 years ago. I miss them!
 
awaldram wrote:
Russ Houston wrote:

From your telling of it, you got screwed. You can dispute it and give the guy bad feedback. And of course you'll get bad feedback from him. Now both of you have black marks, but only one deserves one. And it will affect both of you the next time you buy/sell something.
Completly WRONG

A seller cannot give bad feedback period.
Is that a change in the way ebay operates? Their website says sellers cannot leave either negative or neutral feedback. I know I've seen seller comments in the past that have not been favourable to buyers, but those have tended to be responses to buyers who have left them with negative feedback.
 
essH wrote:
awaldram wrote:
Russ Houston wrote:

From your telling of it, you got screwed. You can dispute it and give the guy bad feedback. And of course you'll get bad feedback from him. Now both of you have black marks, but only one deserves one. And it will affect both of you the next time you buy/sell something.
Completly WRONG

A seller cannot give bad feedback period.
Is that a change in the way ebay operates? Their website says sellers cannot leave either negative or neutral feedback. I know I've seen seller comments in the past that have not been favourable to buyers, but those have tended to be responses to buyers who have left them with negative feedback.
 
Holy cow I've never seen fungus like that, but glad you are getting a refund.
 
Well as recommended I did open a case with eBay. The seller agreed to a refund through the eBay process. eBay says they will handle the refund thru PayPal once the lens is received back by the seller. And of course I am sending it UPS so that it can be tracked.



This did not work out well for me a few years ago going thru the same process. seller refused, I got a repair estimate from a local shop and submitted to eBay who in turn settled the dispute in my favor, but by that time the seller only had half the money owed to me left in his PayPal account which I got and then he closed his eBay account. He had good feedback up to that point but soon after my complaint his feedback included a lot of dissatisfied customers. seems he went bad all at once. I am still gun shy on the used stuff. Even if you do get it resolved you have to pay return shipping and go thru a big hassle.



Thanks to everyone for your concern.
 


Everyone please use these photos of examples of lens fungus should you ever need to. It's the most common look of fungus I have seen on other lenses and posts in this forum.
hcoley wrote:

I am starting to hate eBay. Fortunately it only set me back $81.00. It came with the fitted case in decent shape which may sell on eBay and sometimes people will buy fungus lenses at low prices.

Here are links to the photos. I hope this works.

https://picasaweb.google.com/HDColey2/DPReview?authkey=Gv1sRgCLHh5LGlpr3EpgE#5862825687974061314

https://picasaweb.google.com/HDColey2/DPReview?authkey=Gv1sRgCLHh5LGlpr3EpgE#5862826781259685026
 
I think this is not fungus. It looks very much like what I saw some years ago in two of my lenses. In that case, it came to be the cement between two of the lens elements that turned murky for some reason. The two lenses where left in a car under hot sun, so it could be that the cement melted by the heat. The two lenses couldn't be repaired. This could be your case.

Saludos,
Carlos.
 
Carlos U wrote:

I think this is not fungus. It looks very much like what I saw some years ago in two of my lenses. In that case, it came to be the cement between two of the lens elements that turned murky for some reason. The two lenses where left in a car under hot sun, so it could be that the cement melted by the heat. The two lenses couldn't be repaired. This could be your case.

Saludos,
Carlos.

I can't understand why it does not look like fungus to you when it clearly is a growth on the lens. Zoom in on the photos and you will clearly see that it is. The fungus is branching out from the outer edge towards the center. It has the usual pattern of fungal growth. Some are less organized looking than this, but most look the same. The color of it is affected by the lens coatings and probably why this has a greenish gold appearance. Fungus I have seen on MC lenses instead of SMC lenses looked more white. No way this is cement or anything of the kind. Fungal growth cannot be corrected without replacing the lens element. It not only etches the coatings, but etches the glass as well. The lens element is permanently damaged.
 

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