What happened to CX and PX series camera?

Does anyone know what happened to these models?

All I can remember back when CX1 was first released, it was a great compact.

After CX6 announced there was no more announcement. Did they both failed

on marketing/sales?

Ricoh buying Pentax happened.

anthony mazzeri said:

anthony mazzeri wrote:

Ricoh buying Pentax happened.

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and the GXR essentially replaced them...

GXR P10 replaced the PX.

GXR S10 replaced the CX.

GXRuser said:

GXRuser wrote:

GXRuser said:

anthony mazzeri wrote:

Ricoh buying Pentax happened.

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and the GXR essentially replaced them...

GXR P10 replaced the PX.

GXR S10 replaced the CX.

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That's nosense. The GXR was introduced at the time of the CX3 and the P10 module with it's 28-300 mm lens is very similar to this camera. The PX is a waterproof camera with a 28-140 mm lens and a small sensor. The S10 has a 24-76 mm lens, a larger sensor and is certainly not waterproof. The S10 is similar to the GX 100 and GX200

Well, apparently, the CX6 is still available in Japan.

I know I tried to purchase one a while back and none was being sold in the U.S.

Then, I tried for a PX but found no one had them anymore either.

Looks like most of the Ricoh outlets in the U.S. are only carrying the GXR.

Too bad. There is a place market-wise still for smaller, durable pocketable sized cameras. I wanted the PX to replace my aging CX2. And, my wife wanted a CX6 for her own.

The GXR S10 & P10 modules do not replace those two cameras.

GR

I guess you can almost extend it to what happened to Ricoh?



I bought a CX6 a few months ago, altough its better than the CX3 i had, i still regret selling that one.



Each type supposed to be an improvement, but the CX3 outnumbers the CX6 ina few type of pics, like macro and Hi BxW.



If you really want a CX6, here, Europ, plently of them, new and used for extremely low prices, get one now they're still available is my advise.

I suppose it depends on a viewpoint.

Ricoh needed these cameras as their volume sellers. The small waterproof/rugged is a highly contestest market and it would be hard for Ricoh to get the volume needed to make it pay. Their more commercial level ruggeds were probably priced better to sell in small volumes but they have not been upgraded for quite a while either.

On another thread it is noted that the CX3 might be as good as a CX6 and I might suggest that six-monthly "refinements" of a type might simply run out of things that can be refined. Again this was really the Ricoh popular small-camera volume seller that might not have been selling in sufficient volume.

Myself I have always thought that the Ricoh GXR-type rail mount module system was the precursor to a whole range of interchangeable products. Lack of volume was possibly squeezing Ricoh's ability to extend the concept to its logical conclusion.

If you think P10 and S10 we might wonder what these modules were about but they might make more sense if they were thought to be rushed to market when Ricoh postponed a second smaller GXR-type back about the size of the GRD body. There is a physical limitation to the size of such a possible camera which is set by the shape of the mount rails themself. But I think it might be possible to make a smaller camera back to "about" GRD size but no smaller. By doing so Ricoh would have quickly made the "CX7" and "GX300" overnight. But as time has elapsed the P10 and S10 would now be looking severely dated. An updated set of these "cheaper-entry" modules would be sensible. The resulting cameras of course would work like the GXR cameras and in overall concept be quite powerful and not be an entry level device any more.

I have raved on about this concept before and added my third module to the mix - a faux dslr shape with built in evf and slr-style grip would be another possible element. The present RF style GXR camera back is not a bad thing and could be re-issued with its present few flaws addressed - ploycarbonate cover over the lcd, shot buffer that was useful, shuuter lag reduced? not mch for what is basically a very useful product. Throw in an improved clip on evf would be perfect for this style of body. Very few requests show that the first and only model was pretty good when released.

BG_CX3_DPREVIEW said:

BG_CX3_DPREVIEW wrote:

I guess you can almost extend it to what happened to Ricoh?

I bought a CX6 a few months ago, altough its better than the CX3 i had, i still regret selling that one.

Each type supposed to be an improvement, but the CX3 outnumbers the CX6 ina few type of pics, like macro and Hi BxW.

If you really want a CX6, here, Europ, plently of them, new and used for extremely low prices, get one now they're still available is my advise.

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Isn't the 4 supposed to be very good as well?

The CX6 is the only one of the line still available and the price is way up. You can stlll find the PX online but only at too places at 50 percent higher than a year ago. The GDRIV is stlll easy to find and selling for about Y35,000.
This is all in Japan.

Tom Caldwell said:

Tom Caldwell wrote:

If you think P10 and S10 we might wonder what these modules were about but they might make more sense if they were thought to be rushed to market when Ricoh postponed a second smaller GXR-type back about the size of the GRD body. There is a physical limitation to the size of such a possible camera which is set by the shape of the mount rails themself. But I think it might be possible to make a smaller camera back to "about" GRD size but no smaller. By doing so Ricoh would have quickly made the "CX7" and "GX300" overnight. But as time has elapsed the P10 and S10 would now be looking severely dated. An updated set of these "cheaper-entry" modules would be sensible. The resulting cameras of course would work like the GXR cameras and in overall concept be quite powerful and not be an entry level device any more.

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Sample images from the Pentax Optio VS20 is not looking good at full size with details have got ruined.

http://www.ephotozine.com/article/pentax-optio-vs20-pocket-zoom-camera-review-18963

Pentax and Ricoh will have to work harder with the jpeg engine if them intend to try replace the CX-series with small superzooms by Pentax. Also there seems not to be AP or PD AF available which the CX6 have. At least the zoom is not unusably slow at the long end, 560mm 4.8, unlike the Canon Powershot SX260 which is 500mm 6.8 at the long end. But the image quality still lags way behind the SX260 which seemed to be one of the best when I last year compared full size sample images between small superzoom-compacts.



While I might guess that the CX by now is finished there is still good hope for a GXR S20 or a GX300. Hopefully both as the GX300 should be less bulky.


The Pentax MX-1 didn't have that zoomlens so we have not seen what might be to come.

JJJRRR768 said:

Joel Stern wrote:

JJJRRR768 said:

BG_CX3_DPREVIEW wrote:

I guess you can almost extend it to what happened to Ricoh?

I bought a CX6 a few months ago, altough its better than the CX3 i had, i still regret selling that one.

Each type supposed to be an improvement, but the CX3 outnumbers the CX6 ina few type of pics, like macro and Hi BxW.

If you really want a CX6, here, Europ, plently of them, new and used for extremely low prices, get one now they're still available is my advise.

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Isn't the 4 supposed to be very good as well?

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Yes. The CX4 should be just about as good as the CX3 plus the improved IS.

At least the image quality is quite similar to what I've seen in reviews.

schaki said:

schaki wrote:

schaki said:

Tom Caldwell wrote:

If you think P10 and S10 we might wonder what these modules were about but they might make more sense if they were thought to be rushed to market when Ricoh postponed a second smaller GXR-type back about the size of the GRD body. There is a physical limitation to the size of such a possible camera which is set by the shape of the mount rails themself. But I think it might be possible to make a smaller camera back to "about" GRD size but no smaller. By doing so Ricoh would have quickly made the "CX7" and "GX300" overnight. But as time has elapsed the P10 and S10 would now be looking severely dated. An updated set of these "cheaper-entry" modules would be sensible. The resulting cameras of course would work like the GXR cameras and in overall concept be quite powerful and not be an entry level device any more.

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Sample images from the Pentax Optio VS20 is not looking good at full size with details have got ruined.

http://www.ephotozine.com/article/pentax-optio-vs20-pocket-zoom-camera-review-18963


Pentax and Ricoh will have to work harder with the jpeg engine if them intend to try replace the CX-series with small superzooms by Pentax. Also there seems not to be AP or PD AF available which the CX6 have. At least the zoom is not unusably slow at the long end, 560mm 4.8, unlike the Canon Powershot SX260 which is 500mm 6.8 at the long end. But the image quality still lags way behind the SX260 which seemed to be one of the best when I last year compared full size sample images between small superzoom-compacts.

While I might guess that the CX by now is finished there is still good hope for a GXR S20 or a GX300. Hopefully both as the GX300 should be less bulky.

http://photorumors.com/2012/11/02/ricohs-patent-for-a-5-3-22mm-f2-3-5-lens-for-11-7-sensor/


The Pentax MX-1 didn't have that zoomlens so we have not seen what might be to come.

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Maybe they will reintroduce the GX, or the CX with a bit larger sensor, but the fact remains that other companies are doing things with larger sensors, so Ricoh needs to step up if they are concerned (and maybe they are not) about being competitive with the other cameras currently on the market. How many patents never reach production, we have seen many here that have been shown and to date nothing so let's hope we can see something happen, I sure am rooting for Ricoh I just have my doubts.

Hansadlp said:

Hansadlp wrote:

Hansadlp said:

GXRuser wrote:

Hansadlp said:

anthony mazzeri wrote:

Ricoh buying Pentax happened.

Click to expand...

and the GXR essentially replaced them...

GXR P10 replaced the PX.

GXR S10 replaced the CX.

Click to expand...

That's nosense. The GXR was introduced at the time of the CX3 and the P10 module with it's 28-300 mm lens is very similar to this camera. The PX is a waterproof camera with a 28-140 mm lens and a small sensor. The S10 has a 24-76 mm lens, a larger sensor and is certainly not waterproof. The S10 is similar to the GX 100 and GX200

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My error. Sorry.

I should have been more accurate...

GXR S10 replaced the GX series.

GXR P10 replaced the CX series.

Now that is not fully accurate, but is close.

JJJRRR768 said:

Joel Stern wrote:

JJJRRR768 said:

schaki wrote:

JJJRRR768 said:

Tom Caldwell wrote:

If you think P10 and S10 we might wonder what these modules were about but they might make more sense if they were thought to be rushed to market when Ricoh postponed a second smaller GXR-type back about the size of the GRD body. There is a physical limitation to the size of such a possible camera which is set by the shape of the mount rails themself. But I think it might be possible to make a smaller camera back to "about" GRD size but no smaller. By doing so Ricoh would have quickly made the "CX7" and "GX300" overnight. But as time has elapsed the P10 and S10 would now be looking severely dated. An updated set of these "cheaper-entry" modules would be sensible. The resulting cameras of course would work like the GXR cameras and in overall concept be quite powerful and not be an entry level device any more.

Click to expand...

Sample images from the Pentax Optio VS20 is not looking good at full size with details have got ruined.

http://www.ephotozine.com/article/pentax-optio-vs20-pocket-zoom-camera-review-18963

Pentax and Ricoh will have to work harder with the jpeg engine if them intend to try replace the CX-series with small superzooms by Pentax. Also there seems not to be AP or PD AF available which the CX6 have. At least the zoom is not unusably slow at the long end, 560mm 4.8, unlike the Canon Powershot SX260 which is 500mm 6.8 at the long end. But the image quality still lags way behind the SX260 which seemed to be one of the best when I last year compared full size sample images between small superzoom-compacts.

While I might guess that the CX by now is finished there is still good hope for a GXR S20 or a GX300. Hopefully both as the GX300 should be less bulky.

http://photorumors.com/2012/11/02/ricohs-patent-for-a-5-3-22mm-f2-3-5-lens-for-11-7-sensor/

The Pentax MX-1 didn't have that zoomlens so we have not seen what might be to come.

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Maybe they will reintroduce the GX, or the CX with a bit larger sensor, but the fact remains that other companies are doing things with larger sensors, so Ricoh needs to step up if they are concerned (and maybe they are not) about being competitive with the other cameras currently on the market. How many patents never reach production, we have seen many here that have been shown and to date nothing so let's hope we can see something happen, I sure am rooting for Ricoh I just have my doubts.

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I guess I have made my point and there is no need to repeat it over and over. I find that I am even boring myself to death (grin).

GXRuser said:

GXRuser wrote:

GXRuser said:

Hansadlp wrote:

GXRuser said:

GXRuser wrote:

GXRuser said:

anthony mazzeri wrote:

Ricoh buying Pentax happened.

Click to expand...

and the GXR essentially replaced them...

GXR P10 replaced the PX.

GXR S10 replaced the CX.

Click to expand...

That's nosense. The GXR was introduced at the time of the CX3 and the P10 module with it's 28-300 mm lens is very similar to this camera. The PX is a waterproof camera with a 28-140 mm lens and a small sensor. The S10 has a 24-76 mm lens, a larger sensor and is certainly not waterproof. The S10 is similar to the GX 100 and GX200

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My error. Sorry.

I should have been more accurate...

GXR S10 replaced the GX series.

GXR P10 replaced the CX series.

Now that is not fully accurate, but is close.

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Strangely neither the P10 nor the S10 took off. This was despite them being much superior to the CX and GX models respectively. In all ways - from access to highly developed firmware to the high resolution lcd, the clip on evf and usable raw captures. So the perception of size is strong and when it gets down to the wire millimetres count. Now if they could shave off the top of a GXR, just above the lcd screen would do, then "voila!" the GX300 and the CX7 would miraculously appear. Otherwise they will just have to make a further new, smaller, rail mount system with more modules for the GR, GX and CX modules to be interchangeable and "so-tiny". Hey - throw in a Q mount module and we have the "sexy-lexy" of cute but effective little cameras. B@#$ the "big sensor". Good-small could be quite fashionable again.

However I do think that Ricoh fans would be best served with one rail mount system that fits all, and of course the aps-c modules are already sitting there winking at us.