Nikonview 6.01- sharpening - HELP

Uncle Wally · May 13, 2003

All right, I've had my D100 for 5 months and finally decided to load Nikonview 6.01. Call me a pessimist but I expected problems and I got them. The good news is Nikon support's Catherine was excellent and we got the program to load and run. By the way no wait on the help line.

Also good news - I love the look of the sharpened JPEG original pictures in the Nikonview Editor. And I love seeing the full exif -- ISO, White Balance etc.

The bad news is when I save these sharpened files as either balanced quality or highest quality, they look terrible in Irfanview (my old browser) and PIXIA ( my current editor) -i.e. oversharpened to the max. When I re-open the saved sharpened picture in Nikonview, the prints look great again. Is this common? I don't own Photshop. PIXIA is a readily available and quite powerfula freeware graphics program which I use to edit and color adjust my pictures.

Uncle Wally · May 13, 2003

Uncle Wally said:
All right, I've had my D100 for 5 months and finally decided to
load Nikonview 6.01. Call me a pessimist but I expected problems
and I got them. The good news is Nikon support's Catherine was
excellent and we got the program to load and run. By the way no
wait on the help line.

Also good news - I love the look of the sharpened JPEG original
pictures in the Nikonview Editor. And I love seeing the full exif
-- ISO, White Balance etc.

The bad news is when I save these sharpened files as either
balanced quality or highest quality, they look terrible in
Irfanview (my old browser) and PIXIA ( my current editor) -i.e.
oversharpened to the max. When I re-open the saved sharpened
picture in Nikonview, the prints look great again. Is this common?
I don't own Photshop. PIXIA is a readily available and quite
powerfula freeware graphics program which I use to edit and color
adjust my pictures.

Chris257 · May 13, 2003

I have a similar issue, after sharpening in Nikon Capture, then saving to jpeg, my pictures look oversharpened in Paint Shop Pro, but look fine in Capture and Nikon View ......... I haven't a clue why.

Uncle Wally · May 13, 2003

Thanks Chris

It seems that this is not an issue with Photoshop users or I would have gotten a few more replys. Thanks for respnding as I was beginning to think the problem was unique to me. Who knows I may have to invest in "Elements" or Photoshop ( I'd rather buy a new lense.).

Chris257 said:
I have a similar issue, after sharpening in Nikon Capture, then
saving to jpeg, my pictures look oversharpened in Paint Shop Pro,
but look fine in Capture and Nikon View ......... I haven't a clue
why.

Iliah Borg · May 13, 2003

Sorry, I do not have nor Irfanview, nor PIXIA.
Also, I do not shoot JPEGs at all.

I'm trying to address another issue. If I read you correctly, you are shooting JPEGs, then opening them in NV and tweeking somehow, and after that re-saving them as JPEGs. In my experience re-saving JPEGs distorts the quality. If I'm forced to start from JPEG, I always save it in lossless foramt, like TIFF.

Don Christolear · May 13, 2003

I had the same problem, except in RAW. Either way, it's the same.

I originally corrected a good number of photos (when I first started using Capture editor) and cranked up the sharpening till it looked GREAT.

I then went to view them in another program. They were TERRIBLE! WAY over sharpened.

My understanding is that the Nikon programs sharpen more than other programs. Something like 10% in Capture editor is equal to 50% in PS. Not exact, but along those lines. If I could only have the same outcome that it looks like in Capture, it would be great.
I've found that 10-20% is about max.
Hope that helps.
Don

Digitalaction · May 13, 2003

when you read the help files of the program (most people seems not to care anymore) the autor note that sharpening in Nikon Editor is not the same as in PS.

A sharpening of 20 % has already the same effect as 100 % in Photoshop USM (unsharp mask)

I ran soem tests and find the sharpening tool in N.E. bringing up background noise in my pictures, I don't like it at all !!

I start using Capture one and shoot NEF (RAW) and I now have superb color, contrast and sharpness all the way. the export to TIFF or high quality Jpeg is superb, an image f.e. shot in RAW and converted from capture one to jpg H.Q. is exellent en needs no tweaking in PS at all. I still use PS for web publishing (resizing, frames, etc...) and I use the superb Qimage pro for printing up to 13x19"

Don Christolear said:
I had the same problem, except in RAW. Either way, it's the same.
I originally corrected a good number of photos (when I first
started using Capture editor) and cranked up the sharpening till it
looked GREAT.
I then went to view them in another program. They were TERRIBLE!
WAY over sharpened.
My understanding is that the Nikon programs sharpen more than other
programs. Something like 10% in Capture editor is equal to 50% in
PS. Not exact, but along those lines. If I could only have the same
outcome that it looks like in Capture, it would be great.
I've found that 10-20% is about max.
Hope that helps.
Don

--
Regards, Phil
http://digitalphoto.2die4.be

Uncle Wally · May 14, 2003

Nikonview Editor appears to only have three modes of sharpening - low, medium and High. All three look terrible in programs other than the Nikon Editor. I had read on this forum that the sharpenng out of NE was fantastic. Maybe it is time to begin my 30 day trial of Nikon Capture.

Thanks to all who have responded. Time to go to my day job.

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Phille said:
A sharpening of 20 % has already the same effect as 100 % in
Photoshop USM (unsharp mask)

I ran soem tests and find the sharpening tool in N.E. bringing up
background noise in my pictures, I don't like it at all !!

I start using Capture one and shoot NEF (RAW) and I now have superb
color, contrast and sharpness all the way. the export to TIFF or
high quality Jpeg is superb, an image f.e. shot in RAW and
converted from capture one to jpg H.Q. is exellent en needs no
tweaking in PS at all. I still use PS for web publishing (resizing,
frames, etc...) and I use the superb Qimage pro for printing up to
13x19"

Don Christolear said:

I had the same problem, except in RAW. Either way, it's the same.
I originally corrected a good number of photos (when I first
started using Capture editor) and cranked up the sharpening till it
looked GREAT.
I then went to view them in another program. They were TERRIBLE!
WAY over sharpened.
My understanding is that the Nikon programs sharpen more than other
programs. Something like 10% in Capture editor is equal to 50% in
PS. Not exact, but along those lines. If I could only have the same
outcome that it looks like in Capture, it would be great.
I've found that 10-20% is about max.
Hope that helps.
Don

Click to expand...

--
Regards, Phil
http://digitalphoto.2die4.be

Howard S Passman · May 14, 2003

Hey Unc,

I sharpen in NE and then save to .tiff. Then I open in photoshop and finish any processing. I then print on an Epson 2200 and so far no issue. You can easily over sharpen in NE and different subjects react differently. For Landscapes I never go over medium and for things like flowers and the such I rarely go up to medium. Experiment a little before you give up on NE.

Have fun

Howard

Uncle Wally said:
Thanks to all who have responded. Time to go to my day job.

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Phille said:

A sharpening of 20 % has already the same effect as 100 % in
Photoshop USM (unsharp mask)

I ran soem tests and find the sharpening tool in N.E. bringing up
background noise in my pictures, I don't like it at all !!

I start using Capture one and shoot NEF (RAW) and I now have superb
color, contrast and sharpness all the way. the export to TIFF or
high quality Jpeg is superb, an image f.e. shot in RAW and
converted from capture one to jpg H.Q. is exellent en needs no
tweaking in PS at all. I still use PS for web publishing (resizing,
frames, etc...) and I use the superb Qimage pro for printing up to
13x19"

Don Christolear said:

I had the same problem, except in RAW. Either way, it's the same.
I originally corrected a good number of photos (when I first
started using Capture editor) and cranked up the sharpening till it
looked GREAT.
I then went to view them in another program. They were TERRIBLE!
WAY over sharpened.
My understanding is that the Nikon programs sharpen more than other
programs. Something like 10% in Capture editor is equal to 50% in
PS. Not exact, but along those lines. If I could only have the same
outcome that it looks like in Capture, it would be great.
I've found that 10-20% is about max.
Hope that helps.
Don

Click to expand...

--
Regards, Phil
http://digitalphoto.2die4.be

Click to expand...

Chris257 · May 14, 2003

None of this explains why the pictures look fine in NC, NV or photoshop but look oversharpened in IRFAN, PaintShopPro and perhaps some other programs. It's a very strange phenomenon.

Ed Nazarko · May 14, 2003

That's all that comes to mind reading this. Very odd.

I have used NV6.01 to sharpen, usually at low; medium or high actually seems to bring back a slightly soft image caused by me being optimistic about handholding too slow a shot.

It does not look different in Photoshop, to me. And it prints beautifully. No contribution to figuring this out, I guess, other than by process of elimination.

For those who've got other combinations of software - if you sharpen in Photoshop, and open in Irfan... what then? How about the other direction?

Uncle Wally said:
All right, I've had my D100 for 5 months and finally decided to
load Nikonview 6.01. Call me a pessimist but I expected problems
and I got them. The good news is Nikon support's Catherine was
excellent and we got the program to load and run. By the way no
wait on the help line.

Also good news - I love the look of the sharpened JPEG original
pictures in the Nikonview Editor. And I love seeing the full exif
-- ISO, White Balance etc.

The bad news is when I save these sharpened files as either
balanced quality or highest quality, they look terrible in
Irfanview (my old browser) and PIXIA ( my current editor) -i.e.
oversharpened to the max. When I re-open the saved sharpened
picture in Nikonview, the prints look great again. Is this common?
I don't own Photshop. PIXIA is a readily available and quite
powerfula freeware graphics program which I use to edit and color
adjust my pictures.

--
Ed

Make pictures, don't take them - it leaves more for others.

http://www.onemountainphoto.com

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