JasonED
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Banding does not seem to be apparent in the foreground shadow areas of the above pic. The difference to the helicopter pics is the use of 14bit NEF and no Active D-lighting.
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Is it safe bet: the 7100 has the same sensor as the 5200?
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Banding does not seem to be apparent in the foreground shadow areas of the above pic. The difference to the helicopter pics is the use of 14bit NEF and no Active D-lighting.
Your photos look like ones I got out of a D5100 when the sd card was going bad.
Also, for clarity, I only shoot raw and process with Nikon software, not sure what your shooting format, but processing through third party software doesn't help resolve the issue - too many variables.
I keep seeing these D5200 'banding' posts from non D5200 owners...
Also, for clarity, I only shoot raw and process with Nikon software, not sure what your shooting format, but processing through third party software doesn't help resolve the issue - too many variables.
I keep seeing these D5200 'banding' posts from non D5200 owners...
Sorry, 3 fairly new SD cards, Sandisk Extreme IIIs or later, working perfectly with my other recent captures.
I'll process these through my copy of Capture NX2 (2.4.0) and we'll see.
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It appears that all the JPEGs I see (Flickr, etc.) are clean even when pushed 5eV in LR (download and try it yourself). But all the official samples which are from NEFs (and have ADL enabled - which I do not use since I use ACR (Adobe Camera Raw) products to process), do show the banding. Maybe this is a RAW conversion issue that will be cleared up in software - I say hoping...
The samples on the Nikon site look a lot cleaner - noise reduction?
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d7100/sample.htm
But was all set to order a new 7100 but I think I'll now hang on for a while and see how things work out once some real samples are available.
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d7100/sample.htm
But was all set to order a new 7100 but I think I'll now hang on for a while and see how things work out once some real samples are available.
alvix
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mmh..the jpeg has already ADL in contrast and brightness ..whatever that means..
I've taken a look at my images on NX2 and they appear to be somewhat cleaner. However, one can't abuse the image in NX2 to the extent that one easily can in LR4...but enough to see things.
I also took some new shots and directly processed them with both the current version of NX2 and the current version of LR4. The NX2 shots showed less banding than the LR4 shots. In both cases it was extremely small. One of my shots was actually not an NEF but a Fine JPG, so the increased level of banding could be attributed to artifacting.
Based on this, and all the subsequent posts which go every which way in their conclusions, I would suggest that we refrain from trying to analyze the official Nikon shots since we can't get the NEFs to play with. The only ones available are for the D5200 from DPR and other places, and we've already gone around in circles with those; they don't have dark enough shadows to reveal any pattern noise that might be present. The shadows need to be below 6-7, definitiely below 10 units in RAW to show the problem.
The Helicopter shot is using ADL set to ExtraHigh, which not only underexposes the shot but compresses it extremely in the shadows. So, Jared, you may have been exhibiting shots which had more than 5 stops of shadow pulling: ADL's, and yours operating on the JPGs.
The night scene of the woman is also using ADL, but on normal. However, it's at ISO 1600, so there's 4 stops of "pulling" already baked into the JPG - and ADL does not work well when the dynamic range of the camera is small.
So I'm leaning towards JasonED's observations - only the shots without ADL on should be used.
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jonrobertp
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Cleaner samples..u can bet they did SOMEthing to the samples.
J Craig H
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Thanks, that's useful stuff. I haven't seen anything yet to make me cancel my pre-order. Am fairly hopeful that some of these issues will be down to the consistently abysmal sample shots that always seem to come out around this time combined with pre-production kinks. Not saying everything will be perfect but I do have a funny feeling that this camera could be ideal or better for 80% of the people buying it. We'll see.
ADL was set to EXTRA HIGH for this shot so the shadows were already being pushed by a a stop or two, so at you add 3 stops to that and these shadows have actually been pushed something like 5 stops..
Also this crop is not even from the full sized photo, but a downsized copy.
I have downloaded the full sized pic and you can ONLY see banding in the DEEPEST shadows when pushed more than 2 stops (+ ADL = approx 4 stops). Other samples from their website with no ADL can be pushed 3-4 stops with no banding.
Lets wait for real testes before we start writing this camera off.
If you think you need to push something that hard then perhaps you should be shooting multiple shot HDR.
Darin
Also this crop is not even from the full sized photo, but a downsized copy.
I have downloaded the full sized pic and you can ONLY see banding in the DEEPEST shadows when pushed more than 2 stops (+ ADL = approx 4 stops). Other samples from their website with no ADL can be pushed 3-4 stops with no banding.
Lets wait for real testes before we start writing this camera off.
If you think you need to push something that hard then perhaps you should be shooting multiple shot HDR.
Darin
Not speculation, not mentally mastubating/measurebating - NO banding on ISO's up through 6400. This banding nonsense keeps getting repearted as if it is a fact. Look at owner reviews on BH, Amazon, etc. and see if banding seems to be a complaint filed...
There may be issues that need fixin' - oil on D600 sensor, left AF issues on D800 (although no AF issues on my E), perhaps peace in the middle east - but based on my sample of one - which is ONE MORE than the posters who loudly proclaim "OUCH", perhaps it's time to give it a rest on the D5200 banding.
I'd suggest readers ignore EVERY banding D5200 post that doesn't include the phrase: "on my D5200"...
There may be issues that need fixin' - oil on D600 sensor, left AF issues on D800 (although no AF issues on my E), perhaps peace in the middle east - but based on my sample of one - which is ONE MORE than the posters who loudly proclaim "OUCH", perhaps it's time to give it a rest on the D5200 banding.
I'd suggest readers ignore EVERY banding D5200 post that doesn't include the phrase: "on my D5200"...
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Thanks for the great info comparing nx2 and lr4.
We're just gonna have to wait till we get some raws to play with.
JasonED
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Perhaps you could post a NEF file for others to play with? A normally exposed picture at ISO 100 with some deep shadows visible would probably help to resolve the issue...
Well, I have real...never mind :-D
ragmanjin
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Actually, the Pentax K-5 IIs has been around for a while, and it's the filterless version. If you want to get a feel for what that will really mean to the sharpness/IQ, check out the K-5 II and K-5 IIs side-by-side in the studio comparison tool
I see somebody had the balls to point this out.
Freudian slip, or spherical aberration?
Ha ha he he.
Fingers flying across the keyboard as they do...not.....
I did notice my little typo... after I hit the post button. Had to go tho...no time to fix..and thought "oh what the hell" anyway.
Glad you noticed
RobCMad
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...no one knows if it is the same sensor or not.
I will wait for a RAW converter, RAW samples, DXO mark and chipworks before drawing any conclusions.
I will wait for a RAW converter, RAW samples, DXO mark and chipworks before drawing any conclusions.
rhlpetrus
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The number of pixels and size of sensor is identical, and different from both D3200's and Sony's version.
Placation101
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Exactly what the release said is it is an all new sensor.
reading all of the sensor dimensions which vary slightly camera to camera they are the same for the 7100 and the 5200. So from that I do think the new sensor equates to the d5200 minus AA.
reading all of the sensor dimensions which vary slightly camera to camera they are the same for the 7100 and the 5200. So from that I do think the new sensor equates to the d5200 minus AA.
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