X20 RAW files available here

RobertSigmund · Feb 25, 2013

marike6 said:
marike6 wrote:

marike6 said:

RobertSigmund wrote:

Spent the whole evening:

downloaded the files

downloaded the last version of Capture One Pro. (7.1)

Capture One Pro does not recognize the files.

Downloaded the latest version of Silkypix Pro.

Tried it on the files. The pictures are grainy, bad detail, with lots of CA ...

All was much more difficult than it sounds, and the results are unsatisfactory.

Am not happy. :-(

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All high ISO RAW files from P&S are going to be a bit grainy. Even my Nikon V1 (which has great the same high ISO ability as the RX100) gets grainy at and above ISO 400. That's just the way it is. There is no NR in RAW.

Also the type of images he took, he only focused on the orange doorway and the rest of the image is the out-of-focus background. These are just the type of images he took. They don't have large sections in focus, just small things like the lion statue, he rest is purposely out-of-focus.

I have to say, these files are way sharper than X10 files in Adobe Lightroom, which were not easy to work with at all, and produced sub-optimal results compared to the OOC JPEGs. With the X20 the RAW seem better than the JPEGS, and a properly processes RAW with sharpening will look great, because there are no artifacts. Look at the second image I post, it's ISO 640, unsharpened but there is good detail in the carved wood, and most importantly, NO JPEG ARTIFACTS.

Here are two that I did in SilkyPix. I didn't add any sharpening or NR. I'm quite pleased with the IQ.

No sharpening or NR. #1 is ISO 800, and #1 ISO 640. I'm delighted with these, but maybe I'm used to the nightmare of working with X-Pro1 and X10 RAW files in Lightroom. These files I did nothing to, and they are a great starting point, IMHO.

Anyway, don't be sad.

I am aware that I might be unjust. I will wait for further raw files, and in short time the support for X 20 files in Capture One should be there. But I am pessimistic. :-x

marike6 · Feb 25, 2013

RobertSigmund said:
RobertSigmund wrote:

RobertSigmund said:

marike6 wrote:

RobertSigmund said:

RobertSigmund wrote:

Spent the whole evening:

downloaded the files

downloaded the last version of Capture One Pro. (7.1)

Capture One Pro does not recognize the files.

Downloaded the latest version of Silkypix Pro.

Tried it on the files. The pictures are grainy, bad detail, with lots of CA ...

All was much more difficult than it sounds, and the results are unsatisfactory.

Am not happy. :-(

Click to expand...

All high ISO RAW files from P&S are going to be a bit grainy. Even my Nikon V1 (which has great the same high ISO ability as the RX100) gets grainy at and above ISO 400. That's just the way it is. There is no NR in RAW.

Also the type of images he took, he only focused on the orange doorway and the rest of the image is the out-of-focus background. These are just the type of images he took. They don't have large sections in focus, just small things like the lion statue, he rest is purposely out-of-focus.

I have to say, these files are way sharper than X10 files in Adobe Lightroom, which were not easy to work with at all, and produced sub-optimal results compared to the OOC JPEGs. With the X20 the RAW seem better than the JPEGS, and a properly processes RAW with sharpening will look great, because there are no artifacts. Look at the second image I post, it's ISO 640, unsharpened but there is good detail in the carved wood, and most importantly, NO JPEG ARTIFACTS.

Here are two that I did in SilkyPix. I didn't add any sharpening or NR. I'm quite pleased with the IQ.

No sharpening or NR. #1 is ISO 800, and #1 ISO 640. I'm delighted with these, but maybe I'm used to the nightmare of working with X-Pro1 and X10 RAW files in Lightroom. These files I did nothing to, and they are a great starting point, IMHO.

Anyway, don't be sad.

Click to expand...

I am aware that I might be unjust. I will wait for further raw files, and in short time the support for X 20 files in Capture One should be there. But I am pessimistic. :-x

It's great the the OP made these available. There really do convert fine, with no issues whatsoever. I don't know if you've ever worked with X10 RAWs in Lightroom, but X20 files convert beautifully compared to X10 files. These images don't have a lot of fine detail, and a lot of each image is bokeh and blur, but the subjects are sharp. But there is nothing wrong with these images (You'll get CAs in high contrast situations with ANY camera). And there is nothing at all wrong with SilkyPix. In fact in some ways in more powerful than LR.

But I'm not sure if you are expecting DSLR quality from a P&S or what. But I've converted all of the files from Kamerakazi, and let's just say that I'm not canceling my X20 order. I fact I can't wait to get it because unlike my X10 and X-Pro1, I'll actually be able to get good results from RAW with the X20. Soft RAW files like the X10 or watercolor effects like other X-Trans cameras.

Cheers.

Dabbler · Feb 25, 2013

you could download a trial of some other products that can process X-Trans RAW, I presume if they work for the XE1 they might work for the X20? CaptureOne has a 30 day trial.

Kamerakazi · Feb 25, 2013

Wow, I know now why people do not use these forums anymore....

I thought I could help with offering RAW files and my experience about the X20, but now it has become an attack on my ability as a photographer.... What a mistake I made thinking I could be useful, instead I am now the target of people who blame me for the camera's bad points.

I am removing the files, and will stick to my own country's photo forums.

to those that were polite and asked questions, I hope I was able to provide you with information.

Regards,

Suteishi

itmelo · Feb 25, 2013

Arigato, Suteishi-san! And to my regret, that's pretty much as far as my knowledge of Japanese goes. Just wanted to thank you for taking the time to come to this forum and give us a glimpse of the X20 through your own experience and for making your raw files available to us. Unfortunately, some of the forum members, new or not, have forgotten the basic rules of civility and cordiality.

However, I would like you to know that your participation was very helpful for many of us in Europe and in America who are still waiting to get their hands on one of these cameras.

jameswyatt · Feb 25, 2013

Thanks for the post. I really appreciate it. I have cancelled my pre-order of the X-20. I'm sure the forums in your country are a lot more civil and you don't have any bullies there, LOL.

Trevor G · Feb 25, 2013

Kamerakazi said:
Kamerakazi wrote:

Wow, I know now why people do not use these forums anymore..

Sorry you met such rudeness.

The samples were excellent examples of what you would see in dull and overcast conditions (the ones I opened, were, anyway). As such they will lack the bite of those exposed in bright sunshine or good light.

Kamerakazi said:
I thought I could help with offering RAW files and my experience about the X20, but now it has become an attack on my ability as a photographer.... What a mistake I made thinking I could be useful, instead I am now the target of people who blame me for the camera's bad points.

It's funny how that happens, and once again I apologise for the rudeness of people who want to pull Fuji down. Studio shots are not what we want. The "normal" images you provided show excellent detail and sharpness at the point of focus, although there was some excessive NR (not your fault) visible in some.

Kamerakazi said:
I am removing the files, and will stick to my own country's photo forums.

That's a shame - I was busy at work and could only d/l about 6.

Kamerakazi said:
to those that were polite and asked questions, I hope I was able to provide you with information.

You were indeed. Thanks again for your participation.

kwa_photo · Feb 26, 2013

Kamerakazi said:
Kamerakazi wrote:

Wow, I know now why people do not use these forums anymore....

I thought I could help with offering RAW files and my experience about the X20, but now it has become an attack on my ability as a photographer.... What a mistake I made thinking I could be useful, instead I am now the target of people who blame me for the camera's bad points.

I am removing the files, and will stick to my own country's photo forums.

to those that were polite and asked questions, I hope I was able to provide you with information.

Regards,

Suteishi

On behalf of the forum, I apologize for the actions of a few members. We do wish you to be a member of the forum and this is not typical of the welcome most receive. Thank you for sharing the files since most of us do not have access to the X20 yet.

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