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23.02.2013
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A Guy Platt
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Wow, I was right there at lunch time today. I had a strange feeling that you were around.Misha Pedan wrote:
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A very interesting way to shoot the scene. I was on Götgatan and it didn't look nearly so interesting.
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Guy
Misha Pedan
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problem?
meagre offerings
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lol, nice one Leo!!!!
Misha Pedan
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I see that you are wrong. What can I do for you?
Daedalus2000
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RaajS
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meagre offerings
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I think genius in this case is only in one person's head.
A Guy Platt
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Why the nastiness?
This forum will be worse off when Misha decides he's had enough of all the rudeness and leaves.
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Guy
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Daedalus2000
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Yes, I am sure there are things that can not be explained or communicated, but I am hoping this is a case where communication is possible. I find Misha's work challenging but I do not want to ignore it.
It is obvious that Misha is not using the photographic language that we find in the standard photography books, and also that he is not aiming at a quick emotional response to his pictures. Therefore, I can only assume that he is aiming at a more conceptual approach which has its own language. I tried to find the relevant google translate for it, but it does not exist!
Some of my thoughts to start the discussion:
The elements in his pictures may look ordinary, but I do not think they are. The use of light is definitely not ordinary and I am sure the compositions are not random. There is definitely a consistent "look" to his pictures that is driven by the use of light and the underlying language (elements and their placement in the frame). For example when someone tried to fake one of his pictures I immediately saw the discrepancy and questioned it....
The elements of the language that I have found consistent are:
a) The presence of the human element in relation to its everyday environment.
b) The lack of communication between the humans in the frame.
c) Human movement
d) Signs and their content seem to be important
e) I am sure there are hidden triangles somewhere as well ( joke!
)If I have to guess, I would say that Misha's work makes a comment on the interaction of humans with each other and their environment, and how part of this interaction is driven by the messages hidden everywhere around us in signs and marketing messages.
Now I may be completely wrong on some or all of these thoughts, but without Misha communicating more I will never find out...
meagre offerings
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hi guy
i just wondered if you could please explain where i am being `nasty`!!!!
i am making a statement of my thoughts, i am not being at all nasty.
as for your final line, i am sure people come join and leave this forum on a daily basis, i think that would be common for most forums no matter what subject they cover.
if misha decided to leave that would be his own decision, it would not be swayed by anyone other than his own thoughts on the matter. plus, im pretty certain that he would not leave this forum!!!!
it seems the people that he has insulted in the past with his own condecending and ungracious manner are all still here. i dont believe that anyone left this forum due to misha`s inability to accept that others do not think of his work at as high a level as he obviously does himself.
if someone views a image and thinks it has poor composition and a lack of subject matter, then that is what they think.
someone else telling them that they are idiots and know nothing will not alter that opinion.
have agreat day.
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RaajS
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And I definitely fall in the "less enlightened" category. Glad to see there are others here, like you that don't. That means there's an opportunity for the unwashed unenlightened to learn something - always good.my username was already taken wrote:
Silly comment since that's clearly not the case; a true genius often has a hard time communicating his ideas in conventional terms. So when dealing with a less enlightened audience more explanation would be required.Why?
Works of genius don't need an explanation...
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Thanks for that diagnosis. I'll look for a therapist. Hopefully that will help. And I'm of course very concerned about what you think. I'll go reflect on that some more.
That was a great suggestion. Does this qualify?
Gratuitous Doorway
Thank you for your gratuitous advice. Do you have any images of doors?
Cheers,
-raaj
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Daedalus2000
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I know! I wrote that for you!DavidGBK wrote:
I can see a triangle
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David
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I do not want to get involved into happened in the past in terms of the exchanges in this forum, but if we focus on the question if we can always understand modern art, the answer is that of course art can be challenging and it may takes us some time to understand new ideas and artists.
For me the best analogy that I use is music. Music can be easy listening, pop, but can also be jazz which a lot of people do not understand. I see Misha's pictures like photography jazz, so I do not get them but I think there is content in them and I want to be able to understand it more fully one day.
As an experiment to challenge you, try to listen to the following music video and honestly decide if this is good music or not, or if it is rubbish. I have not used jazz music, because I am sure many of you here like jazz and it will not be challenging at all. (edit : you have to listen to the whole video to get it)
So what do you think? I bet that most of you think it is not good.
Well, just look at the number of hits for that video (and the half a million likes) and you will realise that for many people this is good music and actually for the young generation this is very popular music that they find no challenging at all... It is easy (and good) music for them..
What we see the first time is not what we may think after we spend more time with it. Or at least what we subjectively think is not good, does not mean it is not good for everyone.
I hope you enjoyed the challenge... If you did here is one more video from the same artist:
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For me the best analogy that I use is music. Music can be easy listening, pop, but can also be jazz which a lot of people do not understand. I see Misha's pictures like photography jazz, so I do not get them but I think there is content in them and I want to be able to understand it more fully one day.
As an experiment to challenge you, try to listen to the following music video and honestly decide if this is good music or not, or if it is rubbish. I have not used jazz music, because I am sure many of you here like jazz and it will not be challenging at all. (edit : you have to listen to the whole video to get it)
So what do you think? I bet that most of you think it is not good.
Well, just look at the number of hits for that video (and the half a million likes) and you will realise that for many people this is good music and actually for the young generation this is very popular music that they find no challenging at all... It is easy (and good) music for them..
What we see the first time is not what we may think after we spend more time with it. Or at least what we subjectively think is not good, does not mean it is not good for everyone.
I hope you enjoyed the challenge... If you did here is one more video from the same artist:
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I'd prefer to separate Misha's photos from his perceived attitude - after all this forum is primarily about photos and not personalities. Social graces are great and I am glad most people here have them and I think the forum can withstand one or two who don't.
As for the photos, they have clearly divided the forum which is interesting in itself. The amount of talk Misha's images has given rise to is fascinating!
For myself, I completely disagree with the extreme stances like "either you understand my art or you are an uneducated novice" and "I know what is good photography and yours is sh*te".
Like in fine art, literature and music, there is a wide variety of styles and tastes and I hope we are mature enough not to fall into these extreme views, or at least try. There is photography I don't like (but may like in the future) and I don't think this makes me an uneducated novice (though I actually am an uneducated novice in photography).
I like street photography and most iconic street image have a strong central element, while Misha's don't. His are kind of a streetscapes with a subtle central element but more emphasis on composition like in landscapes. So the viewer might struggle to make sense of it - it is street photography? Is it architectural? It's an aesthetic that doesn't resonate with everybody and why should it?
I understand some folks may want to give back to Misha, but for the good of the forum, it might be better to strive to be respectful when people post their images. I, for one, am glad many people do and hope that there are different approaches and styles and hope no one is chased off the forum.
As for the photos, they have clearly divided the forum which is interesting in itself. The amount of talk Misha's images has given rise to is fascinating!
For myself, I completely disagree with the extreme stances like "either you understand my art or you are an uneducated novice" and "I know what is good photography and yours is sh*te".
Like in fine art, literature and music, there is a wide variety of styles and tastes and I hope we are mature enough not to fall into these extreme views, or at least try. There is photography I don't like (but may like in the future) and I don't think this makes me an uneducated novice (though I actually am an uneducated novice in photography).
I like street photography and most iconic street image have a strong central element, while Misha's don't. His are kind of a streetscapes with a subtle central element but more emphasis on composition like in landscapes. So the viewer might struggle to make sense of it - it is street photography? Is it architectural? It's an aesthetic that doesn't resonate with everybody and why should it?
I understand some folks may want to give back to Misha, but for the good of the forum, it might be better to strive to be respectful when people post their images. I, for one, am glad many people do and hope that there are different approaches and styles and hope no one is chased off the forum.
Listened to both - enjoyed the second more as the video was very good. (I would like the powers the little girl has! )
The music is okay - perhaps I am used to it because I have three children ages 11, 14 and 15 and they have that sort of thing in the background during most of the day.
Interestingly I have got my eldest daughter hooked on older stuff, Kate Bush at the moment, as I play my music in my car when I collect her from swimming practice. So it works both ways.
I think you are right; certain images are a challenge to understand and that just adds to the enjoyment.
Regards
David
)The music is okay - perhaps I am used to it because I have three children ages 11, 14 and 15 and they have that sort of thing in the background during most of the day.
Interestingly I have got my eldest daughter hooked on older stuff, Kate Bush at the moment, as I play my music in my car when I collect her from swimming practice. So it works both ways.
I think you are right; certain images are a challenge to understand and that just adds to the enjoyment.
Regards
David
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