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"As I outlined late last year there is so much DX gear missing in action that this has to be intentional. Nikon needs to stop shooting themselves in the foot over and over. At some point, the damage will be permanent." http://www.bythom.com/

But what can you do if a company or individual persists in such irrational behaviour? Move on, I'm afraid.
 
JimPearce said:
JimPearce wrote:

"As I outlined late last year there is so much DX gear missing in action that this has to be intentional. Nikon needs to stop shooting themselves in the foot over and over. At some point, the damage will be permanent." http://www.bythom.com/

But what can you do if a company or individual persists in such irrational behaviour? Move on, I'm afraid.
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mosswings said:
mosswings wrote:

And then you have the latest report from Nikon Rumors that the new camera to be introduced will be a DX fixed 28mm f2.8 compact; new DX DSLRs are out another month or so.
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Who wants to buy a DX camera with a single fixed 28mm lens? Not interchangeable, not even a zoom? I know a few other manufacturers have done this too, but I just don't understand who wants to buy them?
 
jfriend00 said:
jfriend00 wrote:
jfriend00 said:
mosswings wrote:

And then you have the latest report from Nikon Rumors that the new camera to be introduced will be a DX fixed 28mm f2.8 compact; new DX DSLRs are out another month or so.
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Who wants to buy a DX camera with a single fixed 28mm lens? Not interchangeable, not even a zoom? I know a few other manufacturers have done this too, but I just don't understand who wants to buy them?
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mosswings said:
mosswings wrote:
mosswings said:
jfriend00 wrote:
mosswings said:
mosswings wrote:

And then you have the latest report from Nikon Rumors that the new camera to be introduced will be a DX fixed 28mm f2.8 compact; new DX DSLRs are out another month or so.
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Who wants to buy a DX camera with a single fixed 28mm lens? Not interchangeable, not even a zoom? I know a few other manufacturers have done this too, but I just don't understand who wants to buy them?
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jfriend00 said:
jfriend00 wrote:
jfriend00 said:
mosswings wrote:
jfriend00 said:
jfriend00 wrote:
jfriend00 said:
mosswings wrote:

And then you have the latest report from Nikon Rumors that the new camera to be introduced will be a DX fixed 28mm f2.8 compact; new DX DSLRs are out another month or so.
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Who wants to buy a DX camera with a single fixed 28mm lens? Not interchangeable, not even a zoom? I know a few other manufacturers have done this too, but I just don't understand who wants to buy them?
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sshoihet said:
sshoihet wrote:

fixed focal length seems to work ok for millions of people using camera phones, the Fuji X100s, the Sony RX1 and many other cameras. People used fixed focal length film cameras for a long time and did pretty well, you make it sound like this is the first camera without a zoom lens.

Its funny how often people recommend that beginners put a single prime on their camera to help them learn composition... and then when a FFL camera comes out, people cry that it wont sell because it's too restrictive. Some people will never be happy...

If they'd made it a zoom, people would invariably either complain about that it was too big or complain that the long end was too slow. I'm pretty sure Nikon has done market research and is confident that they can sell the camera or use it as a stepping stone to future development. They're one of only two camera companies making money right now and that's the real goal.
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You protest my question, but don't actually explain who would want one. Do you have any info on that question?
 
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jfriend00 said:
jfriend00 wrote:
jfriend00 said:
mosswings wrote:

And then you have the latest report from Nikon Rumors that the new camera to be introduced will be a DX fixed 28mm f2.8 compact; new DX DSLRs are out another month or so.
Click to expand...
Who wants to buy a DX camera with a single fixed 28mm lens? Not interchangeable, not even a zoom? I know a few other manufacturers have done this too, but I just don't understand who wants to buy them?
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jfriend00 said:
jfriend00 wrote:
jfriend00 said:
sshoihet wrote:

fixed focal length seems to work ok for millions of people using camera phones, the Fuji X100s, the Sony RX1 and many other cameras. People used fixed focal length film cameras for a long time and did pretty well, you make it sound like this is the first camera without a zoom lens.

Its funny how often people recommend that beginners put a single prime on their camera to help them learn composition... and then when a FFL camera comes out, people cry that it wont sell because it's too restrictive. Some people will never be happy...

If they'd made it a zoom, people would invariably either complain about that it was too big or complain that the long end was too slow. I'm pretty sure Nikon has done market research and is confident that they can sell the camera or use it as a stepping stone to future development. They're one of only two camera companies making money right now and that's the real goal.
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You protest my question, but don't actually explain who would want one. Do you have any info on that question?
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Mr Gadget said:
Mr Gadget wrote:

Uh, me?

I had been waiting for Nikon to produce a camera like this when they came out with the Nikon 1, which so didn't meet my expectations. It became apparent to me that Nikon was not going to produce a small, quiet, light rangefinder style mirrorless camera with a APS-C sensor and great High ISO performance, so I bought a Fujifilm X100 and have been very pleased with it's performance.

I use the X100 as my carry camera, I seldom go out without it, whereas, my D2x mostly stays in the office, unless I need the reach of my longer zooms. Since then I have been waiting for Nikon to upgrade the D300s and I am just about at the end of my rope waiting. I have no interest in FX so I am now considering buying a Fujifilm X-E1 when they release the 55-200 zoom.

I am not sure I would want a 28mm f2.8 lens though. I really like the perspective of the 23mm f2 lens on my X100. For some of us, the size and manual controls of the X100 bring a lot of fun back to photography.
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Just curious, why would you be interested in a fixed lens rather than an interchangeable lens? Cost? Size?
 
jfriend00 said:
jfriend00 wrote:
jfriend00 said:
mosswings wrote:

And then you have the latest report from Nikon Rumors that the new camera to be introduced will be a DX fixed 28mm f2.8 compact; new DX DSLRs are out another month or so.
Click to expand...
Who wants to buy a DX camera with a single fixed 28mm lens? Not interchangeable, not even a zoom? I know a few other manufacturers have done this too, but I just don't understand who wants to buy them?
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I have been enviously looking at the Fuji X100 and Sony RX1 for some time now.

Particularly I shoot only with my D300s and primes and film. The thought of a high quality prime in a small body sounds really amazing to me. I understand why it wouldn't work for many people but I'm also sure it would be perfect for a lot of users and Nikon would have no problem finding buyers (look at all the people that love their Fuji X100 and will buy the new X100S)

In my case it would be my "de facto" camera, leaving my DSLR for specific circumnstances.
 
jfriend00 said:
jfriend00 wrote:
jfriend00 said:
sshoihet wrote:

fixed focal length seems to work ok for millions of people using camera phones, the Fuji X100s, the Sony RX1 and many other cameras. People used fixed focal length film cameras for a long time and did pretty well, you make it sound like this is the first camera without a zoom lens.

Its funny how often people recommend that beginners put a single prime on their camera to help them learn composition... and then when a FFL camera comes out, people cry that it wont sell because it's too restrictive. Some people will never be happy...

If they'd made it a zoom, people would invariably either complain about that it was too big or complain that the long end was too slow. I'm pretty sure Nikon has done market research and is confident that they can sell the camera or use it as a stepping stone to future development. They're one of only two camera companies making money right now and that's the real goal.
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You protest my question, but don't actually explain who would want one. Do you have any info on that question?
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AEndrs said:
AEndrs wrote:

I have been enviously looking at the Fuji X100 and Sony RX1 for some time now.

Particularly I shoot only with my D300s and primes and film. The thought of a high quality prime in a small body sounds really amazing to me. I understand why it wouldn't work for many people but I'm also sure it would be perfect for a lot of users and Nikon would have no problem finding buyers (look at all the people that love their Fuji X100 and will buy the new X100S)

In my case it would be my "de facto" camera, leaving my DSLR for specific circumnstances.
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Fair enough. But the recent financial results of the industry shows amateur camera market as saturated, so instead of making a distinctive camra level, Nikon chooses to further saturate a saturated market?

Strange if true, but lets see what the announcement holds.
 
Member said:
Bajerunner wrote:
Fair enough. But the recent financial results of the industry shows amateur camera market as saturated, so instead of making a distinctive camra level, Nikon chooses to further saturate a saturated market?

Strange if true, but lets see what the announcement holds.
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You see a fixed lens $1,300 camera fitting into a saturated market? Who makes one other than Fuji?
 
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