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I ordered a lens hood for my Sony RX1 from the Sony store for close to $150. They only charged me for ONE, but they shipped SIX - a $600 mistake. I am an honest man, so I called Sony so that I could ship the extra ones back. Guess what? They said that their records only showed one as being shipped, so "there was no way that they could accept the return of five, much less pay for the return shipping." They said I could return one of them and get a full refund, but that was the limit of what they could offer. You would have thought that I was asking a favor, rather than trying to do one.

The Sony store agent was very friendly and polite and actually suggested eBay !! Should I accept that suggestion, or send them back at my expense (assuming I can find a return address), or what? Advice would be appreciated.
 
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You've been completely ethical and honest. They made a mistake, you tried to correct their mistake, and they have a bureaucracy in place that precludes a convenient solution. I think you do whatever you want with the extra hoods.
ebygum wrote:

I ordered a lens hood for my Sony RX1 from the Sony store for close to $150. They only charged me for ONE, but they shipped SIX - a $600 mistake. I am an honest man, so I called Sony so that I could ship the extra ones back. Guess what? They said that their records only showed one as being shipped, so "there was no way that they could accept the return of five, much less pay for the return shipping." They said I could return one of them and get a full refund, but that was the limit of what they could offer. You would have thought that I was asking a favor, rather than trying to do one.

The Sony store agent was very friendly and polite and actually suggested eBay !! Should I accept that suggestion, or send them back at my expense (assuming I can find a return address), or what? Advice would be appreciated.


I think you have given them a chance to get their goods back and if they say they can't take them back then you shouldn't feel bad for selling them.

If you don't like the idea of making money out of their mistake (and let's be honest we're talking Sony, not a widows and orphans fund here) then there are plenty of good causes you can give the money to.
 
As others have suggested, sell them, deduct the cost of your time, and donate the rest to charity. As an ethical matter, this is the obvious answer. Perhaps there is a charity that teaches photography to children? That could be a fun donation target.
 
Equals Nothing wrote:

If you want to be honest, refund your one and use that money to pay for another 4 to be sent back. You end up with one hood, sony is only out one hood instead of 5, and you get to be honest without having to pay for shipping to do so.
I think you are wasted here. With powers of reasoning and reasonableness like yours, you should be brokering peace settlements between warring factions in all corners of the globe.

(Don't be silly, Baz. Globes don't have corners!)
 
ebygum wrote:

I ordered a lens hood for my Sony RX1 from the Sony store for close to $150. They only charged me for ONE, but they shipped SIX - a $600 mistake. I am an honest man, so I called Sony so that I could ship the extra ones back. Guess what? They said that their records only showed one as being shipped, so "there was no way that they could accept the return of five, much less pay for the return shipping." They said I could return one of them and get a full refund, but that was the limit of what they could offer. You would have thought that I was asking a favor, rather than trying to do one.

The Sony store agent was very friendly and polite and actually suggested eBay !! Should I accept that suggestion, or send them back at my expense (assuming I can find a return address), or what? Advice would be appreciated.
Sell them on eBay. Sony don't deserve them back.

Firstly, on a camera so damn expensive why on earth is a lens hood not supplied with the camera?!!! (or perhaps you just wanted an extra one?).

Secondly, why in God's name does a puny little lens hood for that camera cost $150?

Thirdly, after 10 equipment failings from 5 Sony products I am not impressed with Sony workmanship and if my experience is anything to go by your equipment will fail you sooner than you think, or some part that you think should never fail will fail. That being so, my advise would be to cash in now.

You've done your bit to do the right thing and it hasn't worked. So now take care of Number One, that is, yourself.
 
Biggs23 wrote:
foot wrote:

i'd keep the money for myself, since giving it to a charity often means the needy

get very little of the money, the rest is kept by the company running the adds and collecting the donations. They are very skilled at using emotional manipulation

which from reading a lot of the responses works quite well. :-)
That would depend entirely on which 'charity' the money was to be given to. There are many sites that will aid a person in finding charities where the money actually goes to good use versus getting wasted in transit so to speak. Off the top of my head, the Salvation Army is a very high quality organization in that regard. The CEO of SA only takes a 15k or so salary if I remember correctly, for example.



Salaries do not matter. Once I took upon myself the task of analyzing the details of a report of a well-known charity which officially has very low overhead (in single digits). Guess what? When I dug into the structure of their money distribution scheme all the way, people who were supposed to get the money were getting less than 20%. But everything looks so peachy if you read only the first few pages.

Charities are scam.
 
peevee1 wrote:
Biggs23 wrote:
foot wrote:

i'd keep the money for myself, since giving it to a charity often means the needy

get very little of the money, the rest is kept by the company running the adds and collecting the donations. They are very skilled at using emotional manipulation

which from reading a lot of the responses works quite well. :-)
That would depend entirely on which 'charity' the money was to be given to. There are many sites that will aid a person in finding charities where the money actually goes to good use versus getting wasted in transit so to speak. Off the top of my head, the Salvation Army is a very high quality organization in that regard. The CEO of SA only takes a 15k or so salary if I remember correctly, for example.
Salaries do not matter. Once I took upon myself the task of analyzing the details of a report of a well-known charity which officially has very low overhead (in single digits). Guess what? When I dug into the structure of their money distribution scheme all the way, people who were supposed to get the money were getting less than 20%. But everything looks so peachy if you read only the first few pages.
Who's doing that, exactly?
Charities are scam.
Some are, some aren't. Saying that so broadly is foolhardy.
 
Here in Australia, I purchased on-line 2 dozen bottles of a nice red wine @$14.50/bottle on a particular Monday. Tuesday, they turn up and I opened the boxes and they had sent me 2 dozen bottles of the same brand but of a considerably dearer variety @$38.50/bottle!!! The difference being almost $600.00!! Being an honest person I decided to call them up an tell them of their error. The young girl on the phone thanked me and said that they would pick up the wrong wine and send me the correct stuff.

Just about everyone I had told this to at the actual time of receiving the wine, just said, "You should keep it" and "It's not worth trying to send back as you won't get thanked" and "They are a large company who can afford it" etc.


The next day, Wednesday, the courier company who delivers the wines on their behalf turns up to pick up the wrong wine. I ask, "Where is my replacement wine?", to which the driver told me, "He only picks up, he does not deliver"!! Hmmm.Wow, that was a quick pick up!

By Saturday (!!!), I still had not received my replacement wine!! I ring the company up and ask where my wine is and even the girl in the order department said, "Yes, I heard about this mix up about the wrong wine"!! So, they knew it was a big deal. She said that my replacement wine would be out to me by Tuesday, this is over a week after I had ordered the original wine!! It seemed they were quick to pick up the wrong wine but not so quick to send out the replacement! Hell, I could have been dying of thirst for all they knew!

I also said to the girl that I hope that I was going to be recognised for my honesty as there was almost a $600 difference and that I could have quite easily have kept the wine and they'd be none the wiser. She assured me that they would "look after me". To be quite honest, I didn't really want a "freeby" and would have been more than happy with just a note from management saying "Thank you for your honesty". However, I did not say to them what I expected their thank you should be as I wanted to leave that up to them.


Anyway, Tuesday rolls up and sure enough the wine arrives. I look inside the boxes and it was correct, but there was no thank you note from the Managing Director or General Manager, nothing, nada, zilch!!!

I waited until the Friday and to see if something else would turn up, but still nothing. So, I ring the complaints department and get a young girl from Complaints. I told her the whole story and she said that someone would ring me by next Tuesday.

Tuesday rolls around and I get the "Complaints Manager", you know, the same type of manager that you see at McDonalds, the 16 year old straight out of highschool, or maybe still in highschool. She told me that she was "Authorized to give me a $20 gift voucher for being honest". Not a "Thank you ever so much, sir, for being so honest", just that she was "authorized" to give me this voucher. I felt like saying, "Stick it up your ****".

It's not the voucher or the money, it is the priciple of the thing. I don't need a freeby, I just wanted the recognition for being honest. My point is, you either go the whole hog and give something which is commensurate with the value of the returned goods, or you do some other similar gesture with a written note at least. A $20 gift voucher is neither and more of a kick in the teeth.

I run a company, and if this had happened in my company, I would have been in the car and out to my customer the same day with the correct wine and I would have given the customer at least 6 of the more expensive wines, or something of equal value, that were wrongly delivered as a reward for honesty.


The whole ordeal has not made me feel that being honest in this day and age is something that is valued by anyone.
 

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