S2 Infrared

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I tried some infrared in Death Valley... First time I had done so with the S2. My camera store was out of the screw-in infrared filter (89) I wanted, so the only thing I could do was buy the 4x4 gel infrared filter, and hold it in front of the lens during exposure. NOT the best way of doing things, and VERY prone to internal reflections and flare! Here's ashot from Rhyolite Ghost town:

 
Lou,

It doesn't look that much different than B & W. Do you know if the S2 chip is sensitive to IR or if it has IR filtration, and if the Hoya R72 filter works best, or if the Wratten 87 or 88A filters will work. I understand better results are possible with the latter.

reimerron
I tried some infrared in Death Valley... First time I had done so
with the S2. My camera store was out of the screw-in infrared
filter (89) I wanted, so the only thing I could do was buy the 4x4
gel infrared filter, and hold it in front of the lens during
exposure. NOT the best way of doing things, and VERY prone to
internal reflections and flare! Here's ashot from Rhyolite Ghost
town:

--
reimerron
 
Yes, it is IR sensitive, and it can work quite well, although it's not the best IR performer out there (the Minolta Dimage 7 or many Olympus cameras are better). Here tou can see a shot made with the Hoya IR72, the only one filter I've tried (and the cheapest I know)


It doesn't look that much different than B & W. Do you know if the
S2 chip is sensitive to IR or if it has IR filtration, and if the
Hoya R72 filter works best, or if the Wratten 87 or 88A filters
will work. I understand better results are possible with the latter.

reimerron
I tried some infrared in Death Valley... First time I had done so
with the S2. My camera store was out of the screw-in infrared
filter (89) I wanted, so the only thing I could do was buy the 4x4
gel infrared filter, and hold it in front of the lens during
exposure. NOT the best way of doing things, and VERY prone to
internal reflections and flare! Here's ashot from Rhyolite Ghost
town:

--
reimerron
--
Fuji S2 Pro
Nikkor AF 50 mm/1.8
Nikkor AF 28-105/3.5-4.5
Nikkor AF 75-300/4.5-5.6
Nikon 6T close-up lens
Sunpak 5000AF flash

http://www.beatusille.net
'Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?'
Groucho Marx
 
Lou,

It doesn't look that much different than B & W. Do you know if the
S2 chip is sensitive to IR or if it has IR filtration, and if the
Hoya R72 filter works best, or if the Wratten 87 or 88A filters
will work. I understand better results are possible with the latter.
You're right; it doesn't. That is very much subject-dependent. Nice green foliage provides an instant clue that the image was captured in infrared.

Look at
http://digitalphotographers.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=cfrm&s=9196015511&f=7496015511

for great IR info. That is Gary Fong's site.
Lou
 
I shot infrared on an E20 for about a year. It was a lot of work. The lcd sceen was great for viewing , but it would not focus thru the Hoya ir filter. So I had to compose the shot, manual prefocus with the filter off, then screw on the filter, close the view finder and shoot, Whew! On top of that the noise was so bad I could not use some shots, especially at long exposures. The good shots were usually post processed with Neat image. Another time consuming PIA. I also had spent a fortune on filters for my E20, because of all the different converter lens sizes. If you have all four adapter lenses, it works out to 49mm, 62mm, 86mm and 102mm, Ouch!!

When I bought my S2 I thought I would try out a cokin P setup since it will fit a variety of lens sizes. I dont think its perfect for all filters. I have a Singhray polarizer for the Cokin P and I really dont like it very much. But it works great for IR photography without all of the screwing and unscrewing. With the adapter on you slide the filter up, compose the shot, slide it into place and shoot. A lot simpler than the way I used to work. I am using a gel filter now. I would like to have a cokin glass IR filter but they are expensive. There is a bit of noise but not even close to that of the E20.

How have you been blocking off your viewfinder. I have not found a fast and easy solution to that.



Fuji S2, Nikor 18-35mm, +.5 ev, High jpeg mode, Tripod with a Cokin IR gel filter. This was shot in color since I shoot color and IR a lot at the same time. I like to play around with false color images. The only post processing I did on the photo above was to grayscale it and adjust the histogram in psp7.
 
I tried some infrared in Death Valley... First time I had done so
with the S2. My camera store was out of the screw-in infrared
filter (89) I wanted, so the only thing I could do was buy the 4x4
gel infrared filter, and hold it in front of the lens during
exposure. NOT the best way of doing things, and VERY prone to
internal reflections and flare! Here's ashot from Rhyolite Ghost
town:
--

Really jumps out at you, nice picture.
Let the light in! Walt
[email protected]
 
Hi Tammons

Where did you get the gel IR filter for the Cokin system? I agree that it's a pain to compose, focus, screw, etc, but I haven't seen any IR filter for Cokin anywhere. If you could help me I'd thank you it a lot!
Regards!
I shot infrared on an E20 for about a year. It was a lot of work.
The lcd sceen was great for viewing , but it would not focus thru
the Hoya ir filter. So I had to compose the shot, manual prefocus
with the filter off, then screw on the filter, close the view
finder and shoot, Whew! On top of that the noise was so bad I could
not use some shots, especially at long exposures. The good shots
were usually post processed with Neat image. Another time consuming
PIA. I also had spent a fortune on filters for my E20, because of
all the different converter lens sizes. If you have all four
adapter lenses, it works out to 49mm, 62mm, 86mm and 102mm, Ouch!!
When I bought my S2 I thought I would try out a cokin P setup since
it will fit a variety of lens sizes. I dont think its perfect for
all filters. I have a Singhray polarizer for the Cokin P and I
really dont like it very much. But it works great for IR
photography without all of the screwing and unscrewing. With the
adapter on you slide the filter up, compose the shot, slide it into
place and shoot. A lot simpler than the way I used to work. I am
using a gel filter now. I would like to have a cokin glass IR
filter but they are expensive. There is a bit of noise but not even
close to that of the E20.
How have you been blocking off your viewfinder. I have not found a
fast and easy solution to that.



Fuji S2, Nikor 18-35mm, +.5 ev, High jpeg mode, Tripod with a Cokin
IR gel filter. This was shot in color since I shoot color and IR a
lot at the same time. I like to play around with false color
images. The only post processing I did on the photo above was to
grayscale it and adjust the histogram in psp7.
--
Fuji S2 Pro
Nikkor AF 50 mm/1.8
Nikkor AF 28-105/3.5-4.5
Nikkor AF 75-300/4.5-5.6
Nikon 6T close-up lens
Sunpak 5000AF flash

http://www.beatusille.net
'Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?'
Groucho Marx
 
I got mine from B+H. you need a P adapter ring for your lens (screw mount), the P filter holder, P gel filter holder and the gel filter. Its a kodak wratten filter. You will have to look around on their site a bit for the filter. I have also read that you can use a piece of unexposed developed Ektachrome film and get the same results, but I dont know about one that is that big. Someone also makes a glass IR filter but its expensive.
Just go to the B+H site and search for cokin.

I am also trying to come up with an easy method of blocking off the viewfinder. I will keep you posted.
Where did you get the gel IR filter for the Cokin system? I agree
that it's a pain to compose, focus, screw, etc, but I haven't seen
any IR filter for Cokin anywhere. If you could help me I'd thank
you it a lot!
Regards!
I shot infrared on an E20 for about a year. It was a lot of work.
The lcd sceen was great for viewing , but it would not focus thru
the Hoya ir filter. So I had to compose the shot, manual prefocus
with the filter off, then screw on the filter, close the view
finder and shoot, Whew! On top of that the noise was so bad I could
not use some shots, especially at long exposures. The good shots
were usually post processed with Neat image. Another time consuming
PIA. I also had spent a fortune on filters for my E20, because of
all the different converter lens sizes. If you have all four
adapter lenses, it works out to 49mm, 62mm, 86mm and 102mm, Ouch!!
When I bought my S2 I thought I would try out a cokin P setup since
it will fit a variety of lens sizes. I dont think its perfect for
all filters. I have a Singhray polarizer for the Cokin P and I
really dont like it very much. But it works great for IR
photography without all of the screwing and unscrewing. With the
adapter on you slide the filter up, compose the shot, slide it into
place and shoot. A lot simpler than the way I used to work. I am
using a gel filter now. I would like to have a cokin glass IR
filter but they are expensive. There is a bit of noise but not even
close to that of the E20.
How have you been blocking off your viewfinder. I have not found a
fast and easy solution to that.



Fuji S2, Nikor 18-35mm, +.5 ev, High jpeg mode, Tripod with a Cokin
IR gel filter. This was shot in color since I shoot color and IR a
lot at the same time. I like to play around with false color
images. The only post processing I did on the photo above was to
grayscale it and adjust the histogram in psp7.
--
Fuji S2 Pro
Nikkor AF 50 mm/1.8
Nikkor AF 28-105/3.5-4.5
Nikkor AF 75-300/4.5-5.6
Nikon 6T close-up lens
Sunpak 5000AF flash

http://www.beatusille.net
'Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?'
Groucho Marx
 
Where did you get the gel IR filter for the Cokin system? I agree
that it's a pain to compose, focus, screw, etc, but I haven't seen
any IR filter for Cokin anywhere. If you could help me I'd thank
you it a lot!
Regards!
I shot infrared on an E20 for about a year. It was a lot of work.
The lcd sceen was great for viewing , but it would not focus thru
the Hoya ir filter. So I had to compose the shot, manual prefocus
with the filter off, then screw on the filter, close the view
finder and shoot, Whew! On top of that the noise was so bad I could
not use some shots, especially at long exposures. The good shots
were usually post processed with Neat image. Another time consuming
PIA. I also had spent a fortune on filters for my E20, because of
all the different converter lens sizes. If you have all four
adapter lenses, it works out to 49mm, 62mm, 86mm and 102mm, Ouch!!
When I bought my S2 I thought I would try out a cokin P setup since
it will fit a variety of lens sizes. I dont think its perfect for
all filters. I have a Singhray polarizer for the Cokin P and I
really dont like it very much. But it works great for IR
photography without all of the screwing and unscrewing. With the
adapter on you slide the filter up, compose the shot, slide it into
place and shoot. A lot simpler than the way I used to work. I am
using a gel filter now. I would like to have a cokin glass IR
filter but they are expensive. There is a bit of noise but not even
close to that of the E20.
How have you been blocking off your viewfinder. I have not found a
fast and easy solution to that.



Fuji S2, Nikor 18-35mm, +.5 ev, High jpeg mode, Tripod with a Cokin
IR gel filter. This was shot in color since I shoot color and IR a
lot at the same time. I like to play around with false color
images. The only post processing I did on the photo above was to
grayscale it and adjust the histogram in psp7.
--
Fuji S2 Pro
Nikkor AF 50 mm/1.8
Nikkor AF 28-105/3.5-4.5
Nikkor AF 75-300/4.5-5.6
Nikon 6T close-up lens
Sunpak 5000AF flash

http://www.beatusille.net
'Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?'
Groucho Marx
--
Fuji S2 Pro
Nikkor AF 50 mm/1.8
Nikkor AF 28-105/3.5-4.5
Nikkor AF 75-300/4.5-5.6
Nikon 6T close-up lens
Sunpak 5000AF flash

http://www.beatusille.net
'Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?'
Groucho Marx
 
The thing about digital infared that I'm not crazy about (vs film) is that there's no halation from the film, and no grain. When I do my infared I use a couple layers to give is a little highlight glow ala Kodak Infared, and add some grain (in addition to boosting the contrast one heck of a lot - the S2 makes some pretty dull flat infareds by default, even in high tone.

Here's my treatment of that pic:



And another one from some hidden location at Disneyland ;)



Anyone's interested i can post the general method used here.
I tried some infrared in Death Valley... First time I had done so
with the S2. My camera store was out of the screw-in infrared
filter (89) I wanted, so the only thing I could do was buy the 4x4
gel infrared filter, and hold it in front of the lens during
exposure. NOT the best way of doing things, and VERY prone to
internal reflections and flare! Here's ashot from Rhyolite Ghost
town:

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http://www.dougboutwell.com
 
yes, please post the method for getting the results you have. i like them a lot.

also, which filter are you using?

cheers
nas
 

It doesn't look that much different than B & W. Do you know if the
S2 chip is sensitive to IR or if it has IR filtration, and if the
Hoya R72 filter works best, or if the Wratten 87 or 88A filters
will work. I understand better results are possible with the latter.

reimerron
I tried some infrared in Death Valley... First time I had done so
with the S2. My camera store was out of the screw-in infrared
filter (89) I wanted, so the only thing I could do was buy the 4x4
gel infrared filter, and hold it in front of the lens during
exposure. NOT the best way of doing things, and VERY prone to
internal reflections and flare! Here's ashot from Rhyolite Ghost
town:

--
reimerron
--
Fuji S2 Pro
Nikkor AF 50 mm/1.8
Nikkor AF 28-105/3.5-4.5
Nikkor AF 75-300/4.5-5.6
Nikon 6T close-up lens
Sunpak 5000AF flash

http://www.beatusille.net
'Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?'
Groucho Marx
--

Felipe,

This is so nice, good subject and good seeing. Thank you for sharing
Ray Lander
Boston, MA
 
But you can add halation and grain with software. It would be much harder to remove it if you didn't want it. That makes the digital approach more flexible.
 
In photoshop you need 5 layers, and they should sit like this:

on top - curves layer to adjust overall contrast / tone

right below that, the noise - create a new layer filled with 50% gray, change the blending mode to overlay, add some gaussian noise (10-12% or so) and reduce opacity to control the strength of the grain.

below that are 3 duplicates of the background. First, create a background duplicate and set the blending mode to overlay. Then blur that layer to taste (I like a radius of 10px or so usually) This increases contrast in a way that is different from what you could achieve with curves, and makes things glow a little.

Then duplicate that blurred background layer, set the new layer's mode to normal, and reduce opacity to like 30% or so (sometimes less, sometimes you don't need it at all) for the soft focus effect.

Hope this helps!

--Doug B
Me TOO! I would greatly appreciate any guidance you can give.
thanks ygioia
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http://www.dougboutwell.com
 
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Fuji S2 Pro
Nikkor AF 50 mm/1.8
Nikkor AF 28-105/3.5-4.5
Nikkor AF 75-300/4.5-5.6
Nikon 6T close-up lens
Sunpak 5000AF flash

http://www.beatusille.net
'Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?'
Groucho Marx
 
I'm as newbie to IR photography.

I purchased a screw-in 89B filter after reading the IR section on pixelagogo.com. Seems to work fine, although you need to pre-frame & focus before screwing on the filter. Which filter should function best with the S2?

Harold Baumgarten
 
I use a wratten 89b in a cokin p holder. I frame the shot and slide the filter down to cover the lens. Dont forget to cover the viewfinder. The S2 will autofocus and set autoexposure thru the filter. I got all the cokin and ir stuff from b+h.
I'm as newbie to IR photography.

I purchased a screw-in 89B filter after reading the IR section on
pixelagogo.com. Seems to work fine, although you need to pre-frame
& focus before screwing on the filter. Which filter should
function best with the S2?

Harold Baumgarten
 

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