Installing SSD, Windows 7, 64 Bit, Part II, Help!

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Physically installed the drive, Disconnected my Raid Drives, Went into the BIOS and changed from RAID to AHCI, Booted up and the Windows CD could NOT find the SSD? Rebooted, went into BIOS and changed to IDE, Windows CD could NOW find SSD??




I did place the SSD in the number 5 Slot on the MB, would this make any difference, I had all the other drive unplugged! These drives had been set up as RAID 10 before the installation!





Now what?
 
That kind of issue is usually because the AHCI driver for the chipset hasn't been loaded.

I think Win 7 may load the drivers automatically for some of the Intel SATA chipsets.

But, if it's not one of the Intel SATA Port chipsets that the install has drivers for, you may need to load the drivers manually.

There should a prompt to load additional drivers when installing Windows. I think you can press something like F6 when you get to that screen, and point it towards a disk that has the drivers on it (and you could use a Thumb Drive for that purpose, as long as it's plugged into a USB 2.0 versus USB 3.0 port).

You should be able to download SATA drivers from your MotherBoard Manufacturer and extract them to a USB Thumb Drive (and you may have more than one SATA chipset, where some ports are Intel, others are JMicron, etc., so you'll need the drivers for the chipset you have the SSD on).

Another way to approach it is just to install Windows using IDE mode, and change it to AHCI after the fact. After installing Windows using IDE, just install all of the SATA drivers for your SATA Chipset.

Then, to go this page, and there is a "FixIt" Button you can use that updates the registry entries so that it will use an AHCI driver instead. See the Fix it for me section:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922976#method1


You'll also see a section on modifying the registry manually that you can expand. But, the FixIt button does it for you.

Once you install Windows using IDE mode and install all of the available drivers for your SATA port chipset, just run that FixIt utility, reboot, change your BIOS Setup to AHCI, and Windows should use AHCI drivers instead.
 
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Jim Cockfield wrote:

That kind of issue is usually because the AHCI driver for the chipset hasn't been loaded.

I think Win 7 may load the drivers automatically for some of the Intel SATA chipsets.

But, if it's not one of the Intel SATA Port chipsets that the install has drivers for, you may need to load the drivers manually.

There should a prompt to load additional drivers when installing Windows. I think you can press something like F6 when you get to that screen, and point it towards a disk that has the drivers on it (and you could use a Thumb Drive for that purpose, as long as it's plugged into a USB 2.0 versus USB 3.0 port).

You should be able to download SATA drivers from your MotherBoard Manufacturer and extract them to a USB Thumb Drive (and you may have more than one SATA chipset, where some ports are Intel, others are JMicron, etc., so you'll need the drivers for the chipset you have the SSD on).

Another way to approach it is just to install Windows using IDE mode, and change it to AHCI after the fact. After installing Windows using IDE, just install all of the SATA drivers for your SATA Chipset.

Then, to go this page, and there is a "FixIt" Button you can use that updates the registry entries so that it will use an AHCI driver instead. See the Fix it for me section:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922976#method1


You'll also see a section on modifying the registry manually that you can expand. But, the FixIt button does it for you.

Once you install Windows using IDE mode and install all of the available drivers for your SATA port chipset, just run that FixIt utility, reboot, change your BIOS Setup to AHCI, and Windows should use AHCI drivers instead.
 
I added an SSD to my Win7-64 system about a year ago so my memory is a bit fuzzy, but as I recall Jim's advice is right on. My system was in IDE mode at the time since it had only one HDD installed. So I installed the SSD in IDE mode and ran a clean Win7-64 install. This worked OK and I was able to boot off the SSD with no problems.

However, I knew I was still running in IDE mode which is not good for SSDs. So I restarted, switched BIOS to AHCI, and restarted again. That caused Win7 to install the AHCI driver, after which I rebooted again.

This resulted in a proper configuration and from then on everything was A-OK.

You can verify that your system is configured properly by looking at IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers in Device Manager. If you expand this you should see Intel(R) 7 Series/C216 Family SATA AHCI Controller (or something like that, depending on the chipset your motherboard has.)

Once you have the SSD properly configured I see no reason why you can't put your HDDs into a RAID array.
 
Birk Binnard wrote:

I added an SSD to my Win7-64 system about a year ago so my memory is a bit fuzzy, but as I recall Jim's advice is right on. My system was in IDE mode at the time since it had only one HDD installed. So I installed the SSD in IDE mode and ran a clean Win7-64 install. This worked OK and I was able to boot off the SSD with no problems.

However, I knew I was still running in IDE mode which is not good for SSDs. So I restarted, switched BIOS to AHCI, and restarted again. That caused Win7 to install the AHCI driver, after which I rebooted again.

This resulted in a proper configuration and from then on everything was A-OK.

You can verify that your system is configured properly by looking at IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers in Device Manager. If you expand this you should see Intel(R) 7 Series/C216 Family SATA AHCI Controller (or something like that, depending on the chipset your motherboard has.)

Once you have the SSD properly configured I see no reason why you can't put your HDDs into a RAID array.
 
Mikeobe wrote:

Physically installed the drive, Disconnected my Raid Drives, Went into the BIOS and changed from RAID to AHCI, Booted up and the Windows CD could NOT find the SSD? Rebooted, went into BIOS and changed to IDE, Windows CD could NOW find SSD??

I did place the SSD in the number 5 Slot on the MB, would this make any difference, I had all the other drive unplugged! These drives had been set up as RAID 10 before the installation!

Now what?
I have seen this problem before with UEFI motherboard instead of standard BIOS. Mark the drive legacy if there is an option, and it should be able to see it. In my case, updating the bios solved the issue.
 
mfahim27753 wrote:
Mikeobe wrote:

Physically installed the drive, Disconnected my Raid Drives, Went into the BIOS and changed from RAID to AHCI, Booted up and the Windows CD could NOT find the SSD? Rebooted, went into BIOS and changed to IDE, Windows CD could NOW find SSD??

I did place the SSD in the number 5 Slot on the MB, would this make any difference, I had all the other drive unplugged! These drives had been set up as RAID 10 before the installation!

Now what?
I have seen this problem before with UEFI motherboard instead of standard BIOS. Mark the drive legacy if there is an option, and it should be able to see it. In my case, updating the bios solved the issue.
OK, I'm def. and Amateur when it comes to this stuff, what is UEFI??
 
Mikeobe wrote:

OK, I'm def. and Amateur when it comes to this stuff, what is UEFI??
IMO, UEFI is something you want to avoid at all costs, unless you have *very* specific reason to use it (for example, you need a partition size > 2TB for your boot partition).

UEFI stands for Unified Extensible Firmware Interface, and tries to keep track of partitions in firmware, using a different type of partition table (GPT) and boot system than you see in more traditional MBR (Master Boot Record) implementations. See more about UEFI here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface


UEFI BIOS Firmware is in it's infancy, as most major PC vendors only recently starting switching to it, mostly because of demands from Microsoft that Secure Boot be enabled on PCs certified for Windows 8 (since Secure boot requires UEFI).

Even if you have a newer PC model with a BIOS supporting UEFI, I'd avoid setting it up that way, and change the BIOS settings to use a Legacy Boot (MBR) instead, unless you really need to boot from a partition size >2TB (and it's very unlikely anybody really needs a boot partition that large anyway).

AFAIK, your older Asus P6T Motherboard does not support UEFI. So, it's not something you need to be concerned with.

But, even if you upgrade to a system that supports UEFI, I'd avoid using it unless you need a boot from a partition size >2TB, as UEFI BIOS firmware tends to be very "buggy" at this point with systems that support it; and software choices for doing things like cloning drives are still limited with UEFI setups.

IOW, I'd change it to using a legacy (MBR) disk setup with a newer motherboard, instead of using UEFI (most boards with UEFI support allow you to disable it and use MBR instead). That way (avoiding UEFI), you can avoid the compatibility issues you can run into with Disk partitioning/backup/cloning software.

But, again, AFAIK, your P6T Motherboard's BIOS doe not support UEFI anyway (and even if you were using a MB that does, it's unlikely that anyone would have set it up that way for installing Win 7).

Even f you decide to downgrade to Win 8 at some point (and I'd consider moving from Win 7 to Win 8 to be a downgrade versus upgrade), you don't need to use UEFI (you can stick with a Legacy MBR setup instead, as the BIOS available in newer mainstream motherboards allows you to change from UEFI to Legacy mode, and Win 8 can install fine without using UEFI).
 
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Again, Thanks, Many great people on here willing to help someone with very little knowledge! I see no reason to change my motherboard, my only remaining concern is that I am able to set up AHCI in my BIOS! Windows could not find the SSD when I had my bios set o AHCI(Had to use IDE) so, when I get home, I''m, going to go back in to the BIOS and switch to AHCI, currently in IDE, the only way I could get the computer to find the SSD, and cross my fingers, pray, etc. that it works!

Suggested I try this by another individual on this forum! Wish me luck!:)




Oh, by the way, my overall efficiency rating is windows went from 5.9 to 7.3, I think that will work just fine for my needs if I can get everything set up right and my 4 HDD's set back in Raid10 configuration!?




I'm not sure how to go about this and if you have any suggestions It would be greatly appreciated!
 
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Upon further digging around, some versions of the P6T may support UEFI (newer P6T Deluxe models appear to have that as an option)


So, if you happen to using one of the newer versions that have UEFI support (via what Asus refers to as ExpressGate), I'd make sure to set it to legacy boot mode intead.

But, chances are, your BIOS is already setup so that it is *not* using UEFI (and I'd suggest keeping it that way, as UEFI can cause issues with a lot of disk partitioning software, and make it harder to change partition structures when moving an installation to a different drive model).
 
Mikeobe wrote:

Again, Thanks, Many great people on here willing to help someone with very little knowledge! I see no reason to change my motherboard, my only remaining concern is that I am able to set up AHCI in my BIOS! Windows could not find the SSD when I had my bios set o AHCI(Had to use IDE) so, when I get home, I''m, going to go back in to the BIOS and switch to AHCI, currently in IDE, the only way I could get the computer to find the SSD, and cross my fingers, pray, etc. that it works!
Again, that's just because it doesn't have an AHCI driver loaded for the SATA chipset you have the SSD plugged into (and it looks like some of the SATA ports on the P6T use a Marvell versus Intel chipset).

So, you'd either need to load the driver manually when using a Win 7 install disk, or setup Windows to use an AHCI driver after you finish the install (see my first post to this thread for details):)
 
Mikeobe wrote:

Again, Thanks, Many great people on here willing to help someone with very little knowledge! I see no reason to change my motherboard, my only remaining concern is that I am able to set up AHCI in my BIOS! Windows could not find the SSD when I had my bios set o AHCI(Had to use IDE) so, when I get home, I''m, going to go back in to the BIOS and switch to AHCI, currently in IDE, the only way I could get the computer to find the SSD, and cross my fingers, pray, etc. that it works!

Suggested I try this by another individual on this forum! Wish me luck!:)

Oh, by the way, my overall efficiency rating is windows went from 5.9 to 7.3, I think that will work just fine for my needs if I can get everything set up right and my 4 HDD's set back in Raid10 configuration!?

I'm not sure how to go about this and if you have any suggestions It would be greatly appreciated!
Be careful when changing BIOS to AHCI from IDE, it is possible that your OS might fail to boot after that!

Follow the advice (by Jim) given earlier for loading the OS drivers first.

rio
 
rio911 wrote:
Mikeobe wrote:

Again, Thanks, Many great people on here willing to help someone with very little knowledge! I see no reason to change my motherboard, my only remaining concern is that I am able to set up AHCI in my BIOS! Windows could not find the SSD when I had my bios set o AHCI(Had to use IDE) so, when I get home, I''m, going to go back in to the BIOS and switch to AHCI, currently in IDE, the only way I could get the computer to find the SSD, and cross my fingers, pray, etc. that it works!

Suggested I try this by another individual on this forum! Wish me luck!:)

Oh, by the way, my overall efficiency rating is windows went from 5.9 to 7.3, I think that will work just fine for my needs if I can get everything set up right and my 4 HDD's set back in Raid10 configuration!?

I'm not sure how to go about this and if you have any suggestions It would be greatly appreciated!
Be careful when changing BIOS to AHCI from IDE, it is possible that your OS might fail to boot after that!

Follow the advice (by Jim) given earlier for loading the OS drivers first.

rio
You are correct. AHCI did not work, this is very frustrating, I found this Solution on Tom's Hardware and going to give it a try tonite! Sheesh!

"Thanks williamPR. I tried several different suggested MS "fixes" to no avail. The only thing that ended up working was reinstalling Windows 7 on my SSD AFTER configuring the SATA Configuration in BIOS to RAID mode and setting up the Data Drive in RAID 10. This was frustrating to discover because several articles on the topic (i.e., setting up RAID 10 data drive with SSD boot drive) suggested installing Windows 7 on the SSD first without having any of the RAID disk members connected to avoid having Windows put some system files on the RAID array. Oh well. My new build is up & running per my design and screams. Thanks for everyone's time on this!"
 
Mikeobe wrote:

You are correct. AHCI did not work, this is very frustrating, I found this Solution on Tom's Hardware and going to give it a try tonite! Sheesh!

"Thanks williamPR. I tried several different suggested MS "fixes" to no avail. The only thing that ended up working was reinstalling Windows 7 on my SSD AFTER configuring the SATA Configuration in BIOS to RAID mode and setting up the Data Drive in RAID 10. This was frustrating to discover because several articles on the topic (i.e., setting up RAID 10 data drive with SSD boot drive) suggested installing Windows 7 on the SSD first without having any of the RAID disk members connected to avoid having Windows put some system files on the RAID array. Oh well. My new build is up & running per my design and screams. Thanks for everyone's time on this!"
That's experience for you.... :-(


I, myself, am struggling with a similar SSD problem on my new PC at the moment. I had to do a fresh W7 install last night (on a one week old install) due to SATA/AHCI issues. And by the looks of things I'm going to change a lot of BIOS settings tonight trying to optimize the setup... meaning I might need another reinstall.... it is going to be fun.

Good luck,

rio
 
rio911 wrote:
Mikeobe wrote:

You are correct. AHCI did not work, this is very frustrating, I found this Solution on Tom's Hardware and going to give it a try tonite! Sheesh!

"Thanks williamPR. I tried several different suggested MS "fixes" to no avail. The only thing that ended up working was reinstalling Windows 7 on my SSD AFTER configuring the SATA Configuration in BIOS to RAID mode and setting up the Data Drive in RAID 10. This was frustrating to discover because several articles on the topic (i.e., setting up RAID 10 data drive with SSD boot drive) suggested installing Windows 7 on the SSD first without having any of the RAID disk members connected to avoid having Windows put some system files on the RAID array. Oh well. My new build is up & running per my design and screams. Thanks for everyone's time on this!"
That's experience for you.... :-(

I, myself, am struggling with a similar SSD problem on my new PC at the moment. I had to do a fresh W7 install last night (on a one week old install) due to SATA/AHCI issues. And by the looks of things I'm going to change a lot of BIOS settings tonight trying to optimize the setup... meaning I might need another reinstall.... it is going to be fun.

Good luck,

rio
This was a Quote from Tom's Hardware, I'm going to try it tonite, looks like I'll be doing another Fresh Install as well! Don't think I was clear on this, Not my words!
 
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Mikeobe wrote:

This was a Quote from Tom's Hardware, I'm going to try it tonite, looks like I'll be doing another Fresh Install as well! Don't think I was clear on this, Not my words!
Don't worry, I got it exactly right, especially since I also read it on Tom's hardware website. :-)

Good luck,

rio
 
rio911 wrote:
Mikeobe wrote:

This was a Quote from Tom's Hardware, I'm going to try it tonite, looks like I'll be doing another Fresh Install as well! Don't think I was clear on this, Not my words!
Don't worry, I got it exactly right, especially since I also read it on Tom's hardware website. :-)

Good luck,

rio
I think what I'm finding out from talking to my Brother is that I no longer can have a RAID 10 set up with my SSD drive, just 0 or 1 since I have to access Raid thru windows, which kinda Sucks!

I was wanting to have Raid 10 and SSD, don't think that's possible?
 
I think where my problem is, From talking to my Brother, is that with SSD I have to access Raid thru windows which only offers Raid 0 or 1?




I wanted my ssd with my four hard drives set up in Raid 10 which I guess isn't possible?
 
Mikeobe wrote:

I think what I'm finding out from talking to my Brother is that I no longer can have a RAID 10 set up with my SSD drive, just 0 or 1 since I have to access Raid thru windows, which kinda Sucks!
I found a few posts that implied that you can't use Intel ports 5 or 6 for a boot drive if you have a RAID 10 setup using the other Intel ports.

So, I'd probably just use one of the JMicron JMB322 SATA ports (the two orange SATA ports on your Asus P6T) instead.

IOW, just plug the SSD into the orange SATA E1 port versus one of the Intel ports (ports 1 through 6). It is a P6T, right?

Make sure the JMicron Controller is enabled in your BIOS Setup (there's a separate option for that in the Advanced section somewhere, as it might default to disabled) and configure it for AHCI versus IDE (same screen where you enable it), and make sure it sees your SSD OK in the BIOS Setup, making sure it's the first boot choice.

Then, boot into the Windows DVD and see if Windows Install detects your SSD OK.

If not, use the "Install Drivers" choice you'll see at the bottom of the partitioning screen (the screen asking Where to Install Windows) and have either a DVD or USB Thumb Drive ready with the latest JMicron drivers on it that you can load. Then, Windows should detect your drive OK and let you install Windows to it.

Get the latest drivers (very recent, individual driver file dates show September 2012 with JMicron Releasing them for download in December 2012) using the below link.

It's my understanding that the JMB36X drivers are also used for the JMB322 controller (your two orange SATA ports), even though they appear to be only for the 36x series controllers. I found an old review testing the JMB322 controller performance indicating that the JMB36x drivers work for the JMB322 controller chipset. Also note that the same drivers are for both RAID and AHCI setups without RAID (they're the JMicron RAID/AHCI drivers for most of their chipsets).


I also found some comments that the older drivers from early 2009 available on the Asus Website had issues with AHCI. So, grab the latest version from JMicron here:

ftp://driver.jmicron.com.tw/SATA_Controller/Windows/JMB36X_WinDrv_R1.17.65_WHQL.zip


Unzip the file, and copy the 4 files from the Floppy64 folder to the root of a DVD or USB Thumb Drive.

IOW, you want the 64 bit versions of these 4 files: jraid.cat, jraid.sys, jraid_f.inf, and txtsetup.oem

Again, see if Windows 7 detects your drive (making sure the JMicron Controller is enabled and the mode set to AHCI) first, as it may be able to use the built in MS AHCI drivers.

If it doesn't show up in the list, use the Install Drivers choice you'll see on the screen asking Where to Install Windows, and point it to the media you copied those 4 files to. You can use a DVD (just remove the Win 7 DVD after you use the Install Drivers Choice and insert the DVD with the drivers on it and let it copy them), or a USB Thumb Drive (and even a USB Card reader with a memory card can work) inserted into a USB 2.0 port; or on a floppy disk if you happen to have one. You want the 4 files I mentioned above (from the Floppy64 folder in that .zip file) to be in the root folder on the media you use.

Then, after the drivers are loaded, see if the SSD shows up in the list asking where to install Windows (it should at that point).

The question would be if Trim works OK with those drivers, and if you can change to the Windows 7 AHCI driver if it doesn't. But, I'd get it installed first and go from there (for example, you could always use the Magician Software to do periodic garbage collection instead if you can't get Trim working with the latest JMicron drivers).
 
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