Pentax confirms FF camera !

Greg Lovern wrote:

My reading between the lines is that they've probably been working on it for some time, but it's close enough to production now that they've decided it's time to stop the denials.

If they really truly had just decided to start seriously considering it, as they seem to say at face value, I don't think it would be very smart to admit that publicly immediately. Instead it would make sense to pretend they were focusing on their current lines until they were closer to production of FF.
What's interesting is that this could be the reason they have been so dry since Ricoh took over. How many times have we heard people mention the new K5 isn't even a real new camera, that the K30 was basically a first gen K5? Perhaps their resources have been tied into something a bit bigger?
 
Equals Nothing wrote:
Greg Lovern wrote:

My reading between the lines is that they've probably been working on it for some time, but it's close enough to production now that they've decided it's time to stop the denials.

What's interesting is that this could be the reason they have been so dry since Ricoh took over. How many times have we heard people mention the new K5 isn't even a real new camera, that the K30 was basically a first gen K5? Perhaps their resources have been tied into something a bit bigger?
I would bet a nickel that they've been working on mirrorless FF. That would give them something unique in the market (for a while anyway), a position they've often said they try to achieve.

It would also help explain the K-01 -- "let's get some experience in the mirrorless market before the main event".

Greg
 
Didn't PK put TTL metering first in an affordable cam?
 
Greg Lovern wrote:
Equals Nothing wrote:
Greg Lovern wrote:

My reading between the lines is that they've probably been working on it for some time, but it's close enough to production now that they've decided it's time to stop the denials.

What's interesting is that this could be the reason they have been so dry since Ricoh took over. How many times have we heard people mention the new K5 isn't even a real new camera, that the K30 was basically a first gen K5? Perhaps their resources have been tied into something a bit bigger?
I would bet a nickel that they've been working on mirrorless FF. That would give them something unique in the market (for a while anyway), a position they've often said they try to achieve.

It would also help explain the K-01 -- "let's get some experience in the mirrorless market before the main event".

Greg
 
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Here is some market analysis I did; Did I see K5II or K5IIs in the Amazon top 100 best selling DSLR list? Don't think I did. So the K5 is still outselling the derivatives. Not good, need FF in line up. IMHO.
 
Petroglyph wrote:

Here is some market analysis I did; Did I see K5II or K5IIs in the Amazon top 100 best selling DSLR list? Don't think I did. So the K5 is still outselling the derivatives. Not good, need FF in line up. IMHO.
It seems obvious that the K-5 II and K-5 IIs are placeholder cameras that do not provide much incentive for current K-5 owners to upgrade. That, I believe, explains the lackluster sales of the two new cameras. But if they are placeholders, then what sort of camera are they holding the place for? Personally, I would be interested in a really well executed FF mirrorless camera with a next generation EVF, even if it has a new lens mount. Should that come to pass, let's hope that Pentax can meet the demand for new lenses.




In the end, I think that it will all come down to how much Ricoh wants to be a big player in the camera market. Will they try to emulate Sony? They certainly have the resources to do so. Stay tuned.




Rob
 
Robgo2 wrote:
Personally, I would be interested in a really well executed FF mirrorless camera with a next generation EVF, even if it has a new lens mount. Should that come to pass, let's hope that Pentax can meet the demand for new lenses.
A new lens mount would kill it for me and probably thousands of others. If switching to FF required switching to a new lens mount, then why not just migrate to the tried and tested FF technology of Canon and Nikon and have done with it?
 
jonska wrote:
Robgo2 wrote:
Personally, I would be interested in a really well executed FF mirrorless camera with a next generation EVF, even if it has a new lens mount. Should that come to pass, let's hope that Pentax can meet the demand for new lenses.
A new lens mount would kill it for me and probably thousands of others. If switching to FF required switching to a new lens mount, then why not just migrate to the tried and tested FF technology of Canon and Nikon and have done with it?
 
I will buy the Pentax FF when it comes out .

I hope it is a proper DSLR with a big , bright viewfinder and not a mirror less compact . Hopefully , the camera will be a little less bulky than its rivals ( something Pentax have always managed ) , but size is not an imperative .

In the meantime I will keep using my *ist D , but look forward to again being able to use my lenses as they were originally intended ( for 24x36mm film frame ) .
 
Pontoneer wrote:

I will buy the Pentax FF when it comes out .

I hope it is a proper DSLR with a big , bright viewfinder and not a mirror less compact . Hopefully , the camera will be a little less bulky than its rivals ( something Pentax have always managed ) , but size is not an imperative .

In the meantime I will keep using my *ist D , but look forward to again being able to use my lenses as they were originally intended ( for 24x36mm film frame ) .
I think we can rest easy about the mirrorless issue. Pentax just released two cameras, whos main upgrade over the K5 honestly was the AF. It doesn't seem too logical for them to make such an improvement in AF if they are just going to scrap that system one camera later. Mirrorless means a whole new AF system, perhaps not even PDAF depending on which sensor they get. They have managed to build a brand worthy of a very loyal following, I doubt they are going to ditch the system that was so perfect to begin with.

There are also all kinds of speculation about mirrorless, PDAF on sensor causing a drop in iso performance, as well as not being as fast as a dedicated PDAF sensor. To go from the K5-II/s to the above for a FF would actually be a downgrade for many people. Perhaps pentax is hoping the other brands will do what sony is trying to do, go full EVF and mirrorless, then pentax could be the only one selling a real DSLR. Either way I like their style, I like the way they make cameras. LPF removal is the direction they are going, at least optional, and good old fashioned OVF. My K5 is heavy, it's hard as stone, and it's photos are sharp even at the pixel level. If they come out with FF I'll get one too, if not I will enjoy my K5 or K3??
 
Greg Lovern wrote:

On the other hand, you never really know with Pentax.
Well it's actually Ricoh now, since pentax was sold by hoya to Ricoh.


Maybe they really did just now decide to start seriously looking at it. If so I wouldn't expect a FF DSLR body release for 3 years or more. Have fun waiting. Personally I'm very happy with Pentax
 
Greg Lovern wrote:
n working on mirrorless FF. That would give them something unique in the market (for a while anyway), a position they've often said they try to achieve.
It would also help explain the K-01 -- "let's get some experience in the mirrorless market before the main event".

Greg
If you are going to build a mirrorless body then you need to go with a new mount. The advantage to a mirrorless system is the smaller size and the only way to achieve that is to remove the OVF and shorten the register distance.

If the body is going to be the same size and use the same large lenses there is no reason to make it mirrorless. I would rather have the OVF if I can't get a smaller camera.
 
Greg Lovern wrote:

It would also help explain the K-01 -- "let's get some experience in the mirrorless market before the main event".
Get some experience in the market first? I don't see Pentax is going anywhere but down if that kind of mentality is true.
 
Zerblatt wrote:
Petroglyph wrote:

Didn't PK put TTL metering first in an affordable cam?
TTL, Pentax LX=1980, Olympus OM2 =1975

Yes Pentax was first again.
The Spotmatic, introduced in 1964, was the first Pentax SLR with TTL metering and one of the earliest SLRs of any manufacturer with that feature. (This is not the same as TTL flash metering, nor is it automatic exposure. Nevertheless, it is through-the-lens metering, and was a significant development.)
 
Well, if Pentax really are going fullframe they better keep it a secret untill the day the camera is ready for the market. Otherwise hundredthousend Pentax owners immideatly will stop investing in DA lenses because they want the option to go fullframe. As a result of this the price on DA lenses will take a dive with at least 30-40 %. It is a high risk project to go fullframe. But in the end I Think they will do it because as fullframe are chaper and cheaper it is the only road to go. Cheers :)
 
kriztian wrote:

Well, if Pentax really are going fullframe they better keep it a secret untill the day the camera is ready for the market. Otherwise hundredthousend Pentax owners immideatly will stop investing in DA lenses because they want the option to go fullframe. As a result of this the price on DA lenses will take a dive with at least 30-40 %.
You think that so many people are interested in full-frame?

I am not.

Cheers - Klaus
 

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