Should Lumix users buy the Olympus 75mm lens?

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I have a Panasonic G5 which is fabulous. I also love my Olympus 45mm 1.8 lens. I'm tempted to buy the Olympus 75mm lens after reading its great reviews, but I'm on the fence. I'm thinking that at that focal length I would miss the IS. I also do have the Lumix 45mm - 150mm which is pretty good (but not quite awesome) and fairly slow (4.0-5.6).

Just curious if other Lumix users have bought the 75mm Olympus lens and how you like it.

Many thanks, Bob
 
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Allan Brown wrote:

Well, that depends on how steady you can hold the camera.
That's the long and the short of it. If you have super-steady hands you are likely to evaluate things differently than if you shake like mad. Or if you don't mind using a tripod.

I love my 75, but I've got the OMD's awesome stabilization to intercede on my behalf. I'm pretty steady these days, and with the OMD/75 I can handhold 1/20th of a second. I haven't tried lately, but I'm thinking I'd be about 1/100th on my best unstabilized day, and require the full 1/150th on a lesser day.

If the 75 had OIS, it would not be quite that effective. But you get the point-the stabilization can mean ISO 200 in place of 800, should you handhold without flash.
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Corkcampbell wrote:

I get "tack" sharp even at 1/60 on my OM-D, with or without flash.
Did you try systematically (the problem is stochastic, not deterministic), without flash of course (the flash makes it a non-issue) on a maximally revealing target like this? If not, please do and let me know what you find.
 
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I know that portraits are better a little soft but I was testing for sharpness. I'm not sure why flash would make a difference (once focus is made) - it's still 1/60. The lens might do better - 1/60 just happened to be the shutter speed on the ones I have handy; I've only had the lens a short time and haven't really used it. I will thoroughly test the lens in a few days when I visit Seoul, visit friends there with a new daughter, and go to the DMZ.
 
Corkcampbell wrote:

I know that portraits are better a little soft but I was testing for sharpness. I'm not sure why flash would make a difference (once focus is made) - it's still 1/60. The lens might do better - 1/60 just happened to be the shutter speed on the ones I have handy; I've only had the lens a short time and haven't really used it. I will thoroughly test the lens in a few days when I visit Seoul, visit friends there with a new daughter, and go to the DMZ.
OK. I can get pretty passable shots at 1/60 too if I try. The effects of shutter shock that I can see are not very apparent (less so than with the Minolta MD 85/2 that it is meant to replace). It's just that it won't quite deliver the eminent resolution that this lens is capable of.

As to flash shooting, the flash is far faster than 1/60. And if the flash accounts for most/all of the illumination, it's the flash speed rather than the shutter speed that counts when it comes to the impact of camera shake/shutter shock.
 
Corkcampbell wrote:

I know that portraits are better a little soft but I was testing for sharpness. I'm not sure why flash would make a difference (once focus is made) - it's still 1/60. The lens might do better - 1/60 just happened to be the shutter speed on the ones I have handy; I've only had the lens a short time and haven't really used it. I will thoroughly test the lens in a few days when I visit Seoul, visit friends there with a new daughter, and go to the DMZ.
Using flash is a common and well-known method of getting sharp shots at slow shutter speeds. The trick is the use the flash speed, rather than the shutter speed, to "freeze" your exposure.
 
amtberg wrote:
rrr_hhh wrote:
Pikme wrote:

BTW, I know this is well known problem, but good grief it is terrible to write a response on the iPad since the forum changes!! Every other word is wrongly 'corrected' now, every other word has to be typed, deleted, typed, deleted and then you read over the post and see that more phrases and entire sentences have morphed into unintelligible gibberish again. Why can't dpreview get this mess fixed!
Plus one ! It is a real pain ! All the more so that my iPad often misses some letters, especially I O P and H, it drives me mad, because I have to correct every two words. I think that it is the addition of the iPad spell checker and the forum text editor spellchecker which are playing havoc together, just like using OIS and IBIS at the same time. I don't understand why they can't just disable their own spellchecker when they detect any mobile devices. that shouldn't be rocket science !
 
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rladd wrote:

I have a Panasonic G5 which is fabulous. I also love my Olympus 45mm 1.8 lens. I'm tempted to buy the Olympus 75mm lens after reading its great reviews, but I'm on the fence. I'm thinking that at that focal length I would miss the IS. I also do have the Lumix 45mm - 150mm which is pretty good (but not quite awesome) and fairly slow (4.0-5.6).

Just curious if other Lumix users have bought the 75mm Olympus lens and how you like it.
Like you I shoot with a Panasonic m43 camera (in my case a GH2 and occasionally a GF1), but to date I have not used any Olympus m43 lenses on the Panasonic bodies. The reason that I selected the Panasonic bodies was that they suited my rather large hands (even the GF1 with a leather case round it), I liked the flexibility of the vari-angle LCDs, and I found the Olympus default jpgs to be horribly oversaturated to my eyes. Nevertheless Olympus made their name and reputation primarily as designers and builders of outstanding optics, so if you can afford them Olympus lenses are well worth considering. My Olympus 35 RC film compact camera with its amazing Zuiko lens is still going strong after over 30 years of use.

In that last sentence I have revealed that I am no longer in the first flush of youth. As a young man growing up in the era of 35mm film photography I learned that to use a long focal length lens you had to do one or more of three things:
  • put the camera on a tripod or other fixed support.
  • always shoot at a shutter speed shorter than the reciprocal of the focal length of the lens.
  • use a good handholding technique.
Fast forward to the era of digital interchangeable lens cameras, and there is no reason why the same things should not apply as well today as they did yesterday.

So yes, go ahead and buy that Olympus 75mm f1.8 lens if you are prepared to learn how to use it on a Panasonic body.

Alternatively do not buy it if you are unwilling or unable to learn how to use it to get sharp images.

Sorry if that sounds rather blunt but then this old man has more than a little Yorkshire ancestry. For those unfamiliar with regional variations in the UK, people from the county of Yorkshire have the well-earned reputation of saying things exactly as they see them, sometimes to the annoyance of those wallowing in seas of political correctness.
 
BigBarney wrote:
rladd wrote:

I have a Panasonic G5 which is fabulous. I also love my Olympus 45mm 1.8 lens. I'm tempted to buy the Olympus 75mm lens after reading its great reviews, but I'm on the fence. I'm thinking that at that focal length I would miss the IS. I also do have the Lumix 45mm - 150mm which is pretty good (but not quite awesome) and fairly slow (4.0-5.6).

Just curious if other Lumix users have bought the 75mm Olympus lens and how you like it.
Like you I shoot with a Panasonic m43 camera (in my case a GH2 and occasionally a GF1), but to date I have not used any Olympus m43 lenses on the Panasonic bodies. The reason that I selected the Panasonic bodies was that they suited my rather large hands (even the GF1 with a leather case round it), I liked the flexibility of the vari-angle LCDs, and I found the Olympus default jpgs to be horribly oversaturated to my eyes. Nevertheless Olympus made their name and reputation primarily as designers and builders of outstanding optics, so if you can afford them Olympus lenses are well worth considering. My Olympus 35 RC film compact camera with its amazing Zuiko lens is still going strong after over 30 years of use.

In that last sentence I have revealed that I am no longer in the first flush of youth. As a young man growing up in the era of 35mm film photography I learned that to use a long focal length lens you had to do one or more of three things:
  • put the camera on a tripod or other fixed support.
  • always shoot at a shutter speed shorter than the reciprocal of the focal length of the lens.
  • use a good handholding technique.
Fast forward to the era of digital interchangeable lens cameras, and there is no reason why the same things should not apply as well today as they did yesterday.

So yes, go ahead and buy that Olympus 75mm f1.8 lens if you are prepared to learn how to use it on a Panasonic body.

Alternatively do not buy it if you are unwilling or unable to learn how to use it to get sharp images.

Sorry if that sounds rather blunt but then this old man has more than a little Yorkshire ancestry. For those unfamiliar with regional variations in the UK, people from the county of Yorkshire have the well-earned reputation of saying things exactly as they see them, sometimes to the annoyance of those wallowing in seas of political correctness.
I'm a little baffled by your reply Barney. The 75 is a very fast f1.8. The G5 has a good sensor and is able to provide good files at ISO800+. I would have thought that in most conditions, achieving a shutter speed of 1/150 sec with the 75 would be reasonably easy.
 
have decided to return the 75 because on my GH2 to get the REALLY sharp image this less is known for you have to use at least 1/150. I can get REASONABLE images at 1/100 but I really feel hampered by the necessity to up the ISO to get the shutter speeds I need in low light.

I also didn't like the feel of the very loose focus ring.

The lens balances beautifully on the GH2 and sure makes it easier to hold the camera than the 20mm GH2 combo!

Guess I'll use the 45 and crop a bit more to get the length I want. I love the 45.

Isabel
 
(and I wasn't even entering it with my IPad!...just a little upset that I have made the decision to return)


I think you figured out that I feel this lens is no good without stabilization.

Isabel
 
I think this is just a gorgeous picture. Wide open! Nice tones and really sharp where it counts. I think you may have sold me a GH2. Thanks for sharing. (I have a 7D too).
 
Anders W wrote:
4. One should keep in mind that the standard shutter-speed rule of 1/EFL, which in this case would translate to 1/150 is considered a pretty liberal one these digital days. Many would say that 1/2xEFL is more in line with what you need for tack-sharp results.
Any idea why this is? I don't disagree, just curious. Is this for all digital sensor sizes? crop sensors only? Does it get worse as the sensor size gets smaller? I don't get results as sharp as I used to, but I just blamed it on age....

thanks
 
Thank you. Honestly, the 45mm lens is much more useful to me and would have done just as nice a job.

The lens went back to B & H this morning.

I'll have to settle for the weight of the 135 f/2 and 7D. (At least they're already paid for!).

I may have sold you on the GH2, but don't get a long non-stabilized lens to use with it.

I much prefer the form factor of the GH2 to that of the EM5, but the EM5 has a lot going for it. HOping the EM6 calls out more to me - meanwhile I still have my E-PL1 for that lovely Oly color - just not nearly as good high ISO as that from the GH2. It really surprises me.


Isabel
 
Isabel Cutler wrote:



Shot with FL500R bounced off ceiling.

Shot with FL500R bounced off ceiling.

Isabel

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rrr_hhh wrote:
amtberg wrote:
rrr_hhh wrote:
Pikme wrote:

BTW, I know this is well known problem, but good grief it is terrible to write a response on the iPad since the forum changes!! Every other word is wrongly 'corrected' now, every other word has to be typed, deleted, typed, deleted and then you read over the post and see that more phrases and entire sentences have morphed into unintelligible gibberish again. Why can't dpreview get this mess fixed!
Plus one ! It is a real pain ! All the more so that my iPad often misses some letters, especially I O P and H, it drives me mad, because I have to correct every two words. I think that it is the addition of the iPad spell checker and the forum text editor spellchecker which are playing havoc together, just like using OIS and IBIS at the same time. I don't understand why they can't just disable their own spellchecker when they detect any mobile devices. that shouldn't be rocket science !
 
rsmithgi wrote:
Anders W wrote:
4. One should keep in mind that the standard shutter-speed rule of 1/EFL, which in this case would translate to 1/150 is considered a pretty liberal one these digital days. Many would say that 1/2xEFL is more in line with what you need for tack-sharp results.
Any idea why this is? I don't disagree, just curious. Is this for all digital sensor sizes? crop sensors only? Does it get worse as the sensor size gets smaller? I don't get results as sharp as I used to, but I just blamed it on age....
I think it's a matter of magnification. We're blowing things up to larger sizes than most of us did when we shot film.
 
Pikme wrote:
jim stirling wrote: I personally blame apple as I have no such issues when I use an android tablet.

Jim
I have been using ipad here for almost 3 years with no problems. The gibberish started with the forum 'enhancements'.
 
Thanks for providing the pix.... nice photos and helps illustrate what this lens can do.


nickthetasmaniac wrote:

Yes, they should. The m.ZD 75/f1.8 is probably the best lens I've ever used, and I've used some of the best from Pentax, Zuiko, Panasonic and Sony G/CZ.

Yes, you have to be careful using such a long focal length without IS, and poor technique will show. But with good technique it's a non-issue, especially given how sharp it is wide-open.

All shot with the GH2.

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