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Hi all,

i am new to digital slr world and am looking to get my first dslr camera. I have been to the High street and have tried holding several cameras to see what feels comfortable. I have had to immediately dismiss the Canon 1100d and Nikon d3200 as I have big hands and these do feel comfortable to carry.

I have been looking at the 2 cameras listed in the title and am very much undecided about which one to choose. I will using the camera mainly on city breaks to take pictures of historic buildings, landscapes and potraits and am looking for a camera that will last me for a few years.

Can anyone advise on which choice i shoild be making as I am going round and round in circles trying to decide which camera i need to purchase.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
 
jollofy go for the nikon d7000 it s` a little bigger and good for big hands with the ergonomic grip . your fingers and knuckles should not hit the lens its a very good camera hope i helped gjr

 
I just ordered the D7000 yesterday from Adorama. I'm really not qualified to advise you on which to decide on but I do like the ergonomics of the D7000. I haven't seen the D5200 so I can't compare them. Perhaps you are already aware of the sale on these cameras at present. Not sure for how long though. B&H show that the sale ends on the 5th. Other outlets do not indicate as such, but when I asked the sales rep at Adorama he said that he wasn't sure. All the best on your decision.
 
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I too just got the 7000. I've been playing with Digital Photography for a number of years now and a couple of things I've learned are... get a camera that you can grow into technically, but is still easy enough to use successfully as a new owner and get one that feels good in your hand. I know the second one may seem a bit strange, but for me... it really makes a difference. I was really happy the day I bought my D300s.... My hands are on the smaller side, but the feel of a larger camera like the 300s makes a big difference to me. I just feel more confident with it in my hands.

That's about all I can say for now... I have no experience with the 7000 yet (except for a bunch of reading) and none with the 5200...

Good luck no matter what you choose!
 
I'm a long time Nikon user, currently shooting a D7000 and D800. After purchasing the D7000, I sold my D2x. It's a fantastic camera.

I recently picked up a D3200 to see how the 24MP sensor did. I was not impressed. 100% crops were soft. This was with good technique, tripod and flash on sharp lenses such as the 85mm f/1.8 stopped down to f/2.8 or more, which is dizzyingly sharp on the D800. It almost seems like there is some noise reduction going on, even at base ISO.

If the 5200 has the same sensor, I'd pass. The 18MP sensor of the D7000 will give you sharp images, even at 100%. I think the D3200 was only released to appease the consumer megapixel junkies. The D3200 is actually a good deal of a camera, but I don't think it's 24MP sensor is it's strength. It is a base level camera, stripped of most pro features and not very rugged, but still a good value for the price. I ended up selling mine after just a couple months.

Another thing to consider is that the D7000 can autofocus with older AF-D lenses, which gives you many options for excellent used lenses that won't break the bank.
 
Joe Porto said:
I recently picked up a D3200 to see how the 24MP sensor did. I was not impressed. 100% crops were soft. This was with good technique, tripod and flash on sharp lenses such as the 85mm f/1.8 stopped down to f/2.8 or more, which is dizzyingly sharp on the D800. It almost seems like there is some noise reduction going on, even at base ISO.
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D3200 needs to be shot raw, for sure, jpgs not that good. It is definitely not soft shot raw:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/stu...&x=-0.27829053589690466&y=0.27214943327922997


Joe Porto said:
If the 5200 has the same sensor, I'd pass.
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It doesn't. It's almost certainly better, but we''ll have to see. The initial SOOC jpgs are quite impressive:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nikonfrance/sets/72157631942703170/with/8160844446/



The D3200 also gives better results than the 16MP D5100/7000 at high ISO when good noise reduction is applied. It works out better than the NEX7 high or low ISO as well, at least using ACR to convert raw:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/51747496@N08/sets/72157632037385165/

Finer grained noise=better noise reduction capabilty.



Joe Porto said:
The 18MP sensor of the D7000 will give you sharp images, even at 100%.
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16MP, pretty good at 100%


Joe Porto said:
I think the D3200 was only released to appease the consumer megapixel junkies.
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When exactly are lots of MP a bad thing? This consumer is sure glad to have more than 24.

The same stuff verbatim was heard throughout the blogosphere when the D7000 came out. Too many pixels, terrabytes of data clogging your poor computer, 12MP was plenty (not really,) massive tripod, pro glass, teutonic shot discipline, the whole load of b0ll0cks kicking into gear all over again as we up the res to 24MP. Most on this board will be shooting 24 or more MP within a few short years. 4K monitors and large flat panel displays are in the pipeline right now. Be ready.


Joe Porto said:
The D3200 is actually a good deal of a camera, but I don't think it's 24MP sensor is it's strength. It is a base level camera, stripped of most pro features and not very rugged, but still a good value for the price. I ended up selling mine after just a couple months.
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I don't own one, and won't, but it has the most detailed raw image quality of any DX camera available, at least until the D5200 came out. Feature laden it isn't, but that's not the target demo.


Joe Porto said:
Another thing to consider is that the D7000 can autofocus with older AF-D lenses, which gives you many options for excellent used lenses that won't break the bank.
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Most D lenses are fair to poor wide open, so no great loss there for all around shooting. Landscape at f8, yes, but you'd want manual focus there anyway for the most part.
 
Joe Porto said:
Joe Porto wrote:

I'm a long time Nikon user, currently shooting a D7000 and D800. After purchasing the D7000, I sold my D2x. It's a fantastic camera.

I recently picked up a D3200 to see how the 24MP sensor did. I was not impressed. 100% crops were soft. This was with good technique, tripod and flash on sharp lenses such as the 85mm f/1.8 stopped down to f/2.8 or more, which is dizzyingly sharp on the D800. It almost seems like there is some noise reduction going on, even at base ISO.

If the 5200 has the same sensor, I'd pass. The 18MP sensor of the D7000 will give you sharp images, even at 100%. I think the D3200 was only released to appease the consumer megapixel junkies. The D3200 is actually a good deal of a camera, but I don't think it's 24MP sensor is it's strength. It is a base level camera, stripped of most pro features and not very rugged, but still a good value for the price. I ended up selling mine after just a couple months.

Another thing to consider is that the D7000 can autofocus with older AF-D lenses, which gives you many options for excellent used lenses that won't break the bank.
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Thanks very much for your advice I really appreciate it. I have seen that the d7000 can suffer from over exposure is this true or is it all about using the right techniques to avoid this?
 
Reilly Diefenbach said:
Reilly Diefenbach wrote:
Reilly Diefenbach said:
I recently picked up a D3200 to see how the 24MP sensor did. I was not impressed. 100% crops were soft. This was with good technique, tripod and flash on sharp lenses such as the 85mm f/1.8 stopped down to f/2.8 or more, which is dizzyingly sharp on the D800. It almost seems like there is some noise reduction going on, even at base ISO.
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D3200 needs to be shot raw, for sure, jpgs not that good. It is definitely not soft shot raw:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/stu...&x=-0.27829053589690466&y=0.27214943327922997
Reilly Diefenbach said:
If the 5200 has the same sensor, I'd pass.
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It doesn't. It's almost certainly better, but we''ll have to see. The initial SOOC jpgs are quite impressive:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nikonfrance/sets/72157631942703170/with/8160844446/

The D3200 also gives better results than the 16MP D5100/7000 at high ISO when good noise reduction is applied. It works out better than the NEX7 high or low ISO as well, at least using ACR to convert raw:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/51747496@N08/sets/72157632037385165/

Finer grained noise=better noise reduction capabilty.
Reilly Diefenbach said:
The 18MP sensor of the D7000 will give you sharp images, even at 100%.
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16MP, pretty good at 100%
Reilly Diefenbach said:
I think the D3200 was only released to appease the consumer megapixel junkies.
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When exactly are lots of MP a bad thing? This consumer is sure glad to have more than 24.

The same stuff verbatim was heard throughout the blogosphere when the D7000 came out. Too many pixels, terrabytes of data clogging your poor computer, 12MP was plenty (not really,) massive tripod, pro glass, teutonic shot discipline, the whole load of b0ll0cks kicking into gear all over again as we up the res to 24MP. Most on this board will be shooting 24 or more MP within a few short years. 4K monitors and large flat panel displays are in the pipeline right now. Be ready.
Reilly Diefenbach said:
The D3200 is actually a good deal of a camera, but I don't think it's 24MP sensor is it's strength. It is a base level camera, stripped of most pro features and not very rugged, but still a good value for the price. I ended up selling mine after just a couple months.
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I don't own one, and won't, but it has the most detailed raw image quality of any DX camera available, at least until the D5200 came out. Feature laden it isn't, but that's not the target demo.
Reilly Diefenbach said:
Another thing to consider is that the D7000 can autofocus with older AF-D lenses, which gives you many options for excellent used lenses that won't break the bank.
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Most D lenses are fair to poor wide open, so no great loss there for all around shooting. Landscape at f8, yes, but you'd want manual focus there anyway for the most part.
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Thanks very much for your info. Is there any particular camera you would recommend?
 
You wouldn't go wrong with either camera. My preference for landscape or portrait would be the D5200 hands down. Use the kit lens for a while, then maybe think about the 16-85VR (sharp) or the 24-85VR (sharper) and maybe a nice cheap prime or two, like the 35 1.8, which is smokin' on the D5200:

https://flic.kr/p/dr9wEh
 
Jollofy said:
Jollofy wrote:
Jollofy said:
Joe Porto wrote:

I'm a long time Nikon user, currently shooting a D7000 and D800. After purchasing the D7000, I sold my D2x. It's a fantastic camera.

I recently picked up a D3200 to see how the 24MP sensor did. I was not impressed. 100% crops were soft. This was with good technique, tripod and flash on sharp lenses such as the 85mm f/1.8 stopped down to f/2.8 or more, which is dizzyingly sharp on the D800. It almost seems like there is some noise reduction going on, even at base ISO.

If the 5200 has the same sensor, I'd pass. The 18MP sensor of the D7000 will give you sharp images, even at 100%. I think the D3200 was only released to appease the consumer megapixel junkies. The D3200 is actually a good deal of a camera, but I don't think it's 24MP sensor is it's strength. It is a base level camera, stripped of most pro features and not very rugged, but still a good value for the price. I ended up selling mine after just a couple months.

Another thing to consider is that the D7000 can autofocus with older AF-D lenses, which gives you many options for excellent used lenses that won't break the bank.
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Thanks very much for your advice I really appreciate it. I have seen that the d7000 can suffer from over exposure is this true or is it all about using the right techniques to avoid this?
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As Thom Hogan points out, the D7000 actually meters more accurately than the D90 or other cameras before it. Overexposure means that one or more channels are blown on the right. The The D7000 has a tendency to go right up to the edge in this regard to take advantage of its DR. A JPEG that looks blown often times is not when you examine the actual channels or the RAW files. Nikon's do bias the focus point when calculating exposure. The D7000 does this less than the D90 and that can actually be turned off with selection of AF mode and/or AF-Area mode. Many find focus point bias an asset, especially with regards the control it offers. In very bright scenes using LiveView, the D7000 and the D5100 will tend to expose to the right. It's designed to do that so the exposure more closely matches what is seen on the rear LCD display at the time of capture.

Here is another great explanation. Pay particular attention to part two.

Does the D7000 overexpose


Good Luck in all things going forward.
 
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Reilly Diefenbach said:
Reilly Diefenbach wrote:
Reilly Diefenbach said:
I recently picked up a D3200 to see how the 24MP sensor did. I was not impressed. 100% crops were soft. This was with good technique, tripod and flash on sharp lenses such as the 85mm f/1.8 stopped down to f/2.8 or more, which is dizzyingly sharp on the D800. It almost seems like there is some noise reduction going on, even at base ISO.
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D3200 needs to be shot raw, for sure, jpgs not that good. It is definitely not soft shot raw:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/stu...&x=-0.27829053589690466&y=0.27214943327922997
Reilly Diefenbach said:
If the 5200 has the same sensor, I'd pass.
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It doesn't. It's almost certainly better, but we''ll have to see. The initial SOOC jpgs are quite impressive:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nikonfrance/sets/72157631942703170/with/8160844446/

The D3200 also gives better results than the 16MP D5100/7000 at high ISO when good noise reduction is applied. It works out better than the NEX7 high or low ISO as well, at least using ACR to convert raw:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/51747496@N08/sets/72157632037385165/

Finer grained noise=better noise reduction capabilty.
Reilly Diefenbach said:
The 18MP sensor of the D7000 will give you sharp images, even at 100%.
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16MP, pretty good at 100%
Reilly Diefenbach said:
I think the D3200 was only released to appease the consumer megapixel junkies.
Click to expand...
When exactly are lots of MP a bad thing? This consumer is sure glad to have more than 24.

The same stuff verbatim was heard throughout the blogosphere when the D7000 came out. Too many pixels, terrabytes of data clogging your poor computer, 12MP was plenty (not really,) massive tripod, pro glass, teutonic shot discipline, the whole load of b0ll0cks kicking into gear all over again as we up the res to 24MP. Most on this board will be shooting 24 or more MP within a few short years. 4K monitors and large flat panel displays are in the pipeline right now. Be ready.
Reilly Diefenbach said:
The D3200 is actually a good deal of a camera, but I don't think it's 24MP sensor is it's strength. It is a base level camera, stripped of most pro features and not very rugged, but still a good value for the price. I ended up selling mine after just a couple months.
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I don't own one, and won't, but it has the most detailed raw image quality of any DX camera available, at least until the D5200 came out. Feature laden it isn't, but that's not the target demo.
Reilly Diefenbach said:
Another thing to consider is that the D7000 can autofocus with older AF-D lenses, which gives you many options for excellent used lenses that won't break the bank.
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Most D lenses are fair to poor wide open, so no great loss there for all around shooting. Landscape at f8, yes, but you'd want manual focus there anyway for the most part.
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That's quite an in depth critique of my post from someone who has never owned a D3200, nor never will. :-) Like I said, I am basing my findings after owning and using the D3200 for 2 months, and I do shoot RAW, and have many sharp lenses.

As for your enthusiasm towards the D5200, I have to ask, do you you own one? Because I have not seem them available yet, although I've seen some around (Hong Kong?). I do plan to pick one up when they are available, and will keep it if the IQ proves to be significantly better than the D7000. I bought the D3200 for $600 and sold it two months later for $545. $55 isn't that bad for a two month "rental".

And I must say that your last point is not accurate. There are many great AF-D lenses that are sharp wide open, including the 85mm f/1.4, 80-200mm f/2.8, 35-70mm f/2.8, any of the AF-D Micro Nikkors, etc. And just because a lens isn't sharp wide open doesn't mean it must be stopped down to f/8. Even the ultra cheap 50mm f/1.8D is vey sharp by f/2.8, while still rendering decent bokkeh.

To the OP, the D7000 is a tried and tested camera and performs wonderfully, and can be had for a good price these days. The D5200 is not readily available, at least not in the US, and I have yet to see an in depth review. So I would say at this time that it is impossible to recommend the D5200, although it could prove to be the best choice for you.
 
Joe Porto said:
That's quite an in depth critique of my post from someone who has never owned a D3200, nor never will. :-) Like I said, I am basing my findings after owning and using the D3200 for 2 months, and I do shoot RAW, and have many sharp lenses.
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The D3200 has higher res than the D7000 when shot raw, as per the DPR test scene, posted above, etc. I like the results a bit better than the NEX7 both at high and low ISO, which is pretty darn good considering the spread in price. I don't own a NEX7 either :^)



Joe Porto said:
As for your enthusiasm towards the D5200, I have to ask, do you you own one?
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I'm going by the sample jpgs available in the link I posted upthread. They look excellent.



Joe Porto said:
Because I have not seem them available yet, although I've seen some around (Hong Kong?). I do plan to pick one up when they are available, and will keep it if the IQ proves to be significantly better than the D7000. I bought the D3200 for $600 and sold it two months later for $545. $55 isn't that bad for a two month "rental".

And I must say that your last point is not accurate. There are many great AF-D lenses that are sharp wide open, including the 85mm f/1.4, 80-200mm f/2.8, 35-70mm f/2.8, any of the AF-D Micro Nikkors, etc. And just because a lens isn't sharp wide open doesn't mean it must be stopped down to f/8. Even the ultra cheap 50mm f/1.8D is vey sharp by f/2.8, while still rendering decent bokkeh.
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A "great many" would be stretching it. Some would be more accurate. I'm referring to the 20D,the 24D, the 35D, the 50D, and yes, my former push pull 35-70 2.8D which are a long way from good wide open on a high res body, as has been discussed many a time:

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www.the-digital-picture.com

Stopped down past f4, great.



Joe Porto said:
To the OP, the D7000 is a tried and tested camera and performs wonderfully, and can be had for a good price these days. The D5200 is not readily available, at least not in the US, and I have yet to see an in depth review. So I would say at this time that it is impossible to recommend the D5200, although it could prove to be the best choice for you.
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Let's just ask the group, when was the last time Nikon did a sensor upgrade when it wasn't better than the model that preceded it for raw image quality. Any takers?
 
Jollofy said:
Jollofy wrote:

Hi all,

i am new to digital slr world and am looking to get my first dslr camera. I have been to the High street and have tried holding several cameras to see what feels comfortable. I have had to immediately dismiss the Canon 1100d and Nikon d3200 as I have big hands and these do feel comfortable to carry.

I have been looking at the 2 cameras listed in the title and am very much undecided about which one to choose. I will using the camera mainly on city breaks to take pictures of historic buildings, landscapes and potraits and am looking for a camera that will last me for a few years.

Can anyone advise on which choice i shoild be making as I am going round and round in circles trying to decide which camera i need to purchase.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
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The "new to DSLR" line indicates you should look at D3100/D3200 as a newbie shooter, or upgrade to the D5100. You may find all 3 too small? Yet, they are fine cameras intended for a first SLR or casual shooter.

For IQ compare the D5100 with D7000 since both share the same sensor. You may find the D5100 adequate for your needs. Prices have fallen into the $500 zone. Nikon may be trying to blow them out the door on closeout sales to be ready for the new model. With CES opening Monday, we should expect some news very soon. There are other pro photo shows/conventions in January for Nikon to introduce new product.

IMHO the main reason to wait a bit for the D5200 would be if you shoot any video. For stills, the D7000/D5100 are both very nice cameras.
 
Reilly Diefenbach said:
Reilly Diefenbach wrote:
Reilly Diefenbach said:
Let's just ask the group, when was the last time Nikon did a sensor upgrade when it wasn't better than the model that preceded it for raw image quality. Any takers?
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The OP must decide what is most important to him...FPS, Flash sync speed, bracketing, maximum shutter speed, AF performance, memory card redundancy, viewfinder size, legacy lens compatibility all must be considered. Photography isn't always about megapixels. It's about finding the tool that suits your photographic style to get the best shot.
 
Jollofy said:
Jollofy wrote:

Hi all,

i am new to digital slr world and am looking to get my first dslr camera. I have been to the High street and have tried holding several cameras to see what feels comfortable. I have had to immediately dismiss the Canon 1100d and Nikon d3200 as I have big hands and these do feel comfortable to carry.

I have been looking at the 2 cameras listed in the title and am very much undecided about which one to choose. I will using the camera mainly on city breaks to take pictures of historic buildings, landscapes and potraits and am looking for a camera that will last me for a few years.

Can anyone advise on which choice i shoild be making as I am going round and round in circles trying to decide which camera i need to purchase.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
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Hmm, I have a D5100. If you feel the D3200 is too small, the D51/5200 are not that much larger. I'm not sure how you're carrying the camera, but normally I have my camera strapped to me and over my shoulder (in which case the weight is on my shoulder), or I carry it in my left hand with my hand wrapped around the lens and supporting the base. I think carrying it in your right hand by the grip is asking for a "butterfingers" moment. Of course that leads us back to having the strap on ...

As a D5100 owner, between those two camera's I'd pick the D7000. It's established, has more features and a better pricetag at the moment. It has the same sensor as my D5100 and I'm very happy with that.

Or you know, if you really want a grippy camera you could buy a D4 :).
 
jquagga said:
jquagga wrote:
jquagga said:
Jollofy wrote:

Hi all,

i am new to digital slr world and am looking to get my first dslr camera. I have been to the High street and have tried holding several cameras to see what feels comfortable. I have had to immediately dismiss the Canon 1100d and Nikon d3200 as I have big hands and these do feel comfortable to carry.

I have been looking at the 2 cameras listed in the title and am very much undecided about which one to choose. I will using the camera mainly on city breaks to take pictures of historic buildings, landscapes and potraits and am looking for a camera that will last me for a few years.

Can anyone advise on which choice i shoild be making as I am going round and round in circles trying to decide which camera i need to purchase.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
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Hmm, I have a D5100. If you feel the D3200 is too small, the D51/5200 are not that much larger. I'm not sure how you're carrying the camera, but normally I have my camera strapped to me and over my shoulder (in which case the weight is on my shoulder), or I carry it in my left hand with my hand wrapped around the lens and supporting the base. I think carrying it in your right hand by the grip is asking for a "butterfingers" moment. Of course that leads us back to having the strap on ...

As a D5100 owner, between those two camera's I'd pick the D7000. It's established, has more features and a better pricetag at the moment. It has the same sensor as my D5100 and I'm very happy with that.

Or you know, if you really want a grippy camera you could buy a D4 :).
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Thanks very much for your reply. It's so great to get As mentioned in my original post I have big hands and have experimented carrying the d3200 and 1100d. Ihave handled the D5200 which is slightly bigger and the D7000 and these feel better in the hand. This is important to me as I dont want to spend £750+ on something that is uncomfortable to carry. I think I am going down the D7000 route although I have read somewhere that the D7100 is coming out in February.
 
GlennW said:
GlennW wrote:
GlennW said:
Jollofy wrote:

Hi all,

i am new to digital slr world and am looking to get my first dslr camera. I have been to the High street and have tried holding several cameras to see what feels comfortable. I have had to immediately dismiss the Canon 1100d and Nikon d3200 as I have big hands and these do feel comfortable to carry.

I have been looking at the 2 cameras listed in the title and am very much undecided about which one to choose. I will using the camera mainly on city breaks to take pictures of historic buildings, landscapes and potraits and am looking for a camera that will last me for a few years.

Can anyone advise on which choice i shoild be making as I am going round and round in circles trying to decide which camera i need to purchase.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
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The "new to DSLR" line indicates you should look at D3100/D3200 as a newbie shooter, or upgrade to the D5100. You may find all 3 too small? Yet, they are fine cameras intended for a first SLR or casual shooter.

For IQ compare the D5100 with D7000 since both share the same sensor. You may find the D5100 adequate for your needs. Prices have fallen into the $500 zone. Nikon may be trying to blow them out the door on closeout sales to be ready for the new model. With CES opening Monday, we should expect some news very soon. There are other pro photo shows/conventions in January for Nikon to introduce new product.

IMHO the main reason to wait a bit for the D5200 would be if you shoot any video. For stills, the D7000/D5100 are both very nice cameras.
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If the D7100 is going to be announced at one of the trade shows, the most likely would be CES next week or CP+ which happens at the end of January. Of course, that doesn't mean it won't ship immediately. It does however mean that even if you decide on the D7000 prices of it might slip at bit then as it becomes the previous edition.
 
I haven't read all of the replies, but has anyone mentioned that the D3200 and D5200 are very close in size? If you felt the D3200 was too small, the D5200 wouldn't help in that regard. It would, however, have the 24 MP sensor.
 
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