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Is Panny G5 JPEG color as good as Oly color now, particularly skin tones?

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I'm looking for real information here -- not theory.

I sacrificed a lot to shift from Panny to Oly E-PM1 then E-PL3 in pursuit of two things -- small size and good JPEG color.

Now I'm looking at the G5 and seeing a camera with great ergonomics (vs the Oly, made by people who are pretty much unaware of the term!) and size no bigger and heavier than the E-PL3 with VF2 attached.

So it comes down to the color. is G5 color up to snuff?

I would be most grateful for real info. Many thanks in anticipation.


Cheers, geoff
 
Alexandrite said:
Alexandrite wrote:

I cannot compare to the Olympus camera, but do have the G5 - colours seem just fine to me. Forgive me, but why not simply edit colours in post-processing to get the result you want?
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Do you have a different experience?
Kim Letkeman said:
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Schira wrote:

I had G3 and now G5. There is a subtle improvement in picture quality for G5 jpgs. And low ISO noise is much less in RAW. I shoot RAW because you can pull much more detail and play with colors. With G3 and G5 unless I underexpose the darker blues turn much lighter in jpgs. You can check it with DPR comparator. Here is a screen shot I created long time ago. That being said, I still like G5 for the interface and keep myself happy by shooting RAW.



In my opinion Panasonic out of camera jpgs still lag behind Oly.
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In the gallery, you entitle that screen shot "what the heck?" as if there should be some sort of expectation that the defaults that Adobe has programmed for the Panasonic RAW files should somehow match the default JPEG settings that Panasonic programmed into the JPEG engine.

Both sets of parameters are DEFAULTS and both were created by different companies (I believe.)

All of which is to say that there should be no expectation that colors and tones will magically match.

Further, there is an expectation that you intervene with either one and set them up the way you like to shoot and process.

So I don't see how you can express surprise ...

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ADSinger said:
ADSinger wrote:
ADSinger said:
Kim Letkeman wrote:
ADSinger said:
Hen3ry wrote:
ADSinger said:
ADSinger wrote:

This is a way over analyzed topic in my opinion.
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Frankly, I would have to disagree. Most users use JPEG color .... Only a small proportion of users process RAW files in Lightroom
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Holy cow! I was not aware that there were statistics on this.

Do you also have the data broken down by the percentage of enthusiasts that shoot and process RAW in LR / CS versus, say, the percentage of enthusiasts that let the camera do their job?

I would love to see the link where you got that info.

Thanks.
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Hen3ry said:
Hen3ry wrote:
Hen3ry said:
ADSinger wrote:
Hen3ry said:
Kim Letkeman wrote:
Hen3ry said:
Hen3ry wrote:
Hen3ry said:
ADSinger wrote:

This is a way over analyzed topic in my opinion.
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Frankly, I would have to disagree. Most users use JPEG color .... Only a small proportion of users process RAW files in Lightroom
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Holy cow! I was not aware that there were statistics on this.

Do you also have the data broken down by the percentage of enthusiasts that shoot and process RAW in LR / CS versus, say, the percentage of enthusiasts that let the camera do their job?

I would love to see the link where you got that info.

Thanks.
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ADSinger said:
ADSinger wrote:
ADSinger said:
Kim Letkeman wrote:
ADSinger said:
Hen3ry wrote:
ADSinger said:
ADSinger wrote:

This is a way over analyzed topic in my opinion.
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Frankly, I would have to disagree. Most users use JPEG color .... Only a small proportion of users process RAW files in Lightroom
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Holy cow! I was not aware that there were statistics on this.

Do you also have the data broken down by the percentage of enthusiasts that shoot and process RAW in LR / CS versus, say, the percentage of enthusiasts that let the camera do their job?

I would love to see the link where you got that info.

Thanks.
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Hen3ry said:
Hen3ry wrote:

I think you're being a bit precious, lads.
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That's kind of what I thought you might say.
Hen3ry said:
Just look at the paeans of praise for Oly color on this forum.
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Yes. But you are extrapolating from what might possibly be a vocal minority of users, to be the majority of users because they like to praise Oly JPEG color.

I was hoping you might actually have some sort of poll or other useful data to back it up is all.
Hen3ry said:
Look at the criticism of Panny color. That's JPEG color, by and large. Why talk about it if you’re not using it?
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You've seen fan boys in action if you've read any DPReview forum. That's why.
Hen3ry said:
Ask your local photo store people. Customers buy expensive cameras then go into those stores with the files, get the assistant to run the auto white balance and stuff, and get postcard size prints.
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Right. And then come on here and do battle to justify their purchase. That is possible. But it still does not identify these users as a majority of the total body of users.
Hen3ry said:
You don’t need stats for everything.
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You need stats to back up a statistical assertion lol ...
Hen3ry said:
That's a statement made at a 95 percentile confidence level using a one way t-test, okay? LOL.
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Not really ok, but the best we'll get I am certain ...
 
Marco Cinnirella said:
Marco Cinnirella wrote:
Marco Cinnirella said:
Hen3ry wrote:
Marco Cinnirella said:
ADSinger wrote:
Marco Cinnirella said:
Kim Letkeman wrote:
Marco Cinnirella said:
Hen3ry wrote:
Marco Cinnirella said:
ADSinger wrote:

This is a way over analyzed topic in my opinion.
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Frankly, I would have to disagree. Most users use JPEG color .... Only a small proportion of users process RAW files in Lightroom
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Holy cow! I was not aware that there were statistics on this.

Do you also have the data broken down by the percentage of enthusiasts that shoot and process RAW in LR / CS versus, say, the percentage of enthusiasts that let the camera do their job?

I would love to see the link where you got that info.

Thanks.
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Schira said:
Schira wrote:

Do you have a different experience?
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Hmmm .... I see you did not really understand my point.

Everyone has a different experience if they:
  • Modify JPEG output parameters like white balance, WB tuning, contrast, saturation and so on to their liking, or ...
  • shoot and process RAW .... and actually touch the sliders in LR or ACR lol ...
You seem to posit that the data you posted is relevant to a significant portion of the community here, which implies that you are positing that the majority of shooters use the camera's JPEG output without ever adjusting a single parameter.

And if they do, then they are happy with that output, no? Else they would learn how to tweak the JPEG output, yes?
 
Aleo Veuliah said:
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Yes, Silkypix is not often used but it is a very good software, but it needs some learning to take full advantage of the features.
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I am one of those people who has fallen asleep during a root canal ... yet using the Silkypix user interface is horrible beyond description and I cannot abide it. The results are not that great for the effort applied. IMO of course ...
 
That was a reply to Hen3ry. I am sure the significant portion of the community understands it.




Have fun!
 
Schira said:
Schira wrote:

That was a reply to Hen3ry. I am sure the significant portion of the community understands it.
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Ah ... well, you inserted your reply below my post in threaded view, so frankly I would not be so sure ...
 
Marco Cinnirella said:
Marco Cinnirella wrote:
Marco Cinnirella said:
Hen3ry wrote:
Marco Cinnirella said:
ADSinger wrote:
Marco Cinnirella said:
Kim Letkeman wrote:
Marco Cinnirella said:
Hen3ry wrote:
Marco Cinnirella said:
ADSinger wrote:

This is a way over analyzed topic in my opinion.
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Frankly, I would have to disagree. Most users use JPEG color .... Only a small proportion of users process RAW files in Lightroom
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Holy cow! I was not aware that there were statistics on this.

Do you also have the data broken down by the percentage of enthusiasts that shoot and process RAW in LR / CS versus, say, the percentage of enthusiasts that let the camera do their job?

I would love to see the link where you got that info.

Thanks.
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