AFD lenses, which are worth looking at?

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Right now I am using a D7000 and probably will get an FX body in the future. I picked up a 180mm F2.8D and love it. Just curious from long time Nikon shooters are their any other AFD lenses I should consider?

TIA
 
Juergen wrote:
Stacey_K wrote:

Are there different versions of the 80-200 and which do you have that you like?
Yes, there are:

80-200/2.8 D ED MK II (push-pull)

80-200/2.8 D ED Dual Rings MK III

AF-S 80-200/2.8D IF-ED
Listing the lenses made is really useless without either personal experience/recommendation for one of them or what is different +- of each. Have you used all 3 versions and which did -you- like and why?
 
Stacey_K wrote:
Juergen wrote:
Stacey_K wrote:

Are there different versions of the 80-200 and which do you have that you like?
Yes, there are:

80-200/2.8 D ED MK II (push-pull)

80-200/2.8 D ED Dual Rings MK III

AF-S 80-200/2.8D IF-ED
Listing the lenses made is really useless without either personal experience/recommendation for one of them or what is different +- of each. Have you used all 3 versions and which did -you- like and why?
You don't get it ... =:-(

It doesn't matter what _I_ prefer - what do YOU prefer?

Push-pull or two-ring?

If it's push-pull then 80-200/2.8 D ED MK II is your only choice.

If it's two-ring you have to decide if you prefer no-built-in focus motor - then it's 80-200/2.8 D ED Dual Rings MK III.

Of you prefer built-in focus motor - then it's AF-S 80-200/2.8D IF-ED.

YES, It's THAT simple ...

Btw., those in-the-know who want to buy cheap get the non-D version ...
 
On the 85 f1.4, how does the focus ring on this model work? Do you have to "switch" something to touch up the focus?
 
Sorry I bothered you :(
 
The 105mm f2 AF-D DC is still one of my favorite lenses. I doubt that Nikon will ever make a replacement for it.
 
Stacey_K wrote:
Giovanni_1968 wrote:

I have almost all D lenses, just one AF-S and some Ai and pre Ai, I love the D ones, they are not rocket fast if not built in motor but, for my kind of shooting (mostly family as you can see from my flickr) it's ok, I have the 50f1.4 which is lovely, wonderful bokeh and very lightweight, the 35-70f2.8 is very well built, the zoom mechanism is a bit weird but you get used to it, the rotating front lens might be a problem if you use polarizer but overall is a very good lens, sharp, solid and at both 35 and 50mm can rival with primes, I have the 80-200 which is simply lovely, warm, wonderful bokeh and fast enough on a semi pro body like my D200 based Fuji S5, portrait wise it is stunning as well as my only other D lens, the 300F4, same as above, fast enough, solid and wonderful bokeh.

If you can find used ones often they are good deals even though not cheap but they last a life long, my dream lenses are the 85f1.4 which I only used once and the 28-70 which I never used but kinda fetish...
 
Juergen wrote:
Stacey_K wrote:
Juergen wrote:
Stacey_K wrote:

Are there different versions of the 80-200 and which do you have that you like?
Yes, there are:

80-200/2.8 D ED MK II (push-pull)

80-200/2.8 D ED Dual Rings MK III

AF-S 80-200/2.8D IF-ED
Listing the lenses made is really useless without either personal experience/recommendation for one of them or what is different +- of each. Have you used all 3 versions and which did -you- like and why?
You don't get it ... =:-(

It doesn't matter what _I_ prefer - what do YOU prefer?
The point is which are worth looking at, and which should be avoided. There are some stinkers and some that really shine.
Push-pull or two-ring?

If it's push-pull then 80-200/2.8 D ED MK II is your only choice.

If it's two-ring you have to decide if you prefer no-built-in focus motor - then it's 80-200/2.8 D ED Dual Rings MK III.

Of you prefer built-in focus motor - then it's AF-S 80-200/2.8D IF-ED.

YES, It's THAT simple ...

Btw., those in-the-know who want to buy cheap get the non-D version ...
Those in the know avoid the non-D version when it is inferior, such as the 28mm F2.8 AF which has one less element than the 28mm F2.8 AFD.
 

Leif Goodwin wrote:
Juergen wrote:
Stacey_K wrote:
Juergen wrote:
Stacey_K wrote:

Are there different versions of the 80-200 and which do you have that you like?
Yes, there are:

80-200/2.8 D ED MK II (push-pull)

80-200/2.8 D ED Dual Rings MK III

AF-S 80-200/2.8D IF-ED
Listing the lenses made is really useless without either personal experience/recommendation for one of them or what is different +- of each. Have you used all 3 versions and which did -you- like and why?
You don't get it ... =:-(

It doesn't matter what _I_ prefer - what do YOU prefer?
The point is which are worth looking at, and which should be avoided. There are some stinkers and some that really shine.
All those non-afs versions have the same optics. And both the non-afs and the afs versions is worth looking at if you are looking for a 80-200mm/2.8.

I have the non-d version as I prefer push-pull. That is also the most light weight and shortest version of them all.
 
Leif Goodwin wrote:

Those in the know avoid the non-D version when it is inferior, such as the 28mm F2.8 AF which has one less element than the 28mm F2.8 AFD.
There is some useful info about Nikon's 28mm primes here.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/28mm-f28-afd.htm

If you're considering one of them, proceed carefully. If I understand it correctly, the well-regarded 28mm f/2.8 AIS has eight elements. The 28mm f/2.8 AF (perhaps early versions only?) had five elements and was developed from the cheap 28mm Series E lens, not the AIS version. The 28mm f/2.8 AF-D was a slight upgrade of the AF and had six elements.

I owned the AF-D and was disappointed in its lack of sharpness and contrast. I have been much more pleased with the 20mm and 24mm AF-D lenses. Perhaps the new 28mm G version fills the gap in the lineup left by the AF-D predecessor. But with both a 16-35 and 28-105 performing nicely at 28mm, I am not highly motivated to spring for it.
 
Your question is not nonsense.
I own 180 2.8 and owned 85 1.4 (Stolen a few months ago.) They are both great lenses. I bought them used for a total of less than $1300. This was a sort of poor mans substitue for a more expensive zoom. I will probably buy another used 85 1.4 but I am waiting a little to decide. I use(d) both lenses on FX and DX(my D300 was also stolen).
 
Leif Goodwin wrote:

The point is which are worth looking at, and which should be avoided. There are some stinkers and some that really shine.
You don't get it, too ...

What use, what camera, what final output, what budget ...


Those in the know avoid the non-D version when it is inferior, such as the 28mm F2.8 AF which has one less element than the 28mm F2.8 AFD.
We're not talking about the AF 28/2.8 lenses - we're talking about the AF 80-200/2.8 zooms where there are only two optical designs: The AF-S - and all the rest. Those-in-the-know know that ...

So those-in-the-know's budget tip is the non-D AF 80-200/2.8.
 
67GP wrote:

Your question is not nonsense.
I own 180 2.8 and owned 85 1.4 (Stolen a few months ago.) They are both great lenses. I bought them used for a total of less than $1300. This was a sort of poor mans substitue for a more expensive zoom. I will probably buy another used 85 1.4 but I am waiting a little to decide. I use(d) both lenses on FX and DX(my D300 was also stolen).
Quite a bit better than a poor man's substitute, you made a wise and economical choice and ended up with higher quality optics than you would have otherwise had in a high-end 2.8 zoom.

Well done.
 
sd40 wrote:
Leif Goodwin wrote:

Those in the know avoid the non-D version when it is inferior, such as the 28mm F2.8 AF which has one less element than the 28mm F2.8 AFD.
There is some useful info about Nikon's 28mm primes here.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/28mm-f28-afd.htm
The problem with that site is that after visiting I feel so dirty that I need to take a shower.
If you're considering one of them, proceed carefully. If I understand it correctly, the well-regarded 28mm f/2.8 AIS has eight elements. The 28mm f/2.8 AF (perhaps early versions only?) had five elements and was developed from the cheap 28mm Series E lens, not the AIS version. The 28mm f/2.8 AF-D was a slight upgrade of the AF and had six elements.
Yup. Newer lenses are not always better, or might be, or might not be ...
I owned the AF-D and was disappointed in its lack of sharpness and contrast. I have been much more pleased with the 20mm and 24mm AF-D lenses. Perhaps the new 28mm G version fills the gap in the lineup left by the AF-D predecessor. But with both a 16-35 and 28-105 performing nicely at 28mm, I am not highly motivated to spring for it.
I hated the 28mm F2.8 AFD. The 28mm F2.8 AIS is much better, albeit mine has older coatings.
 
Juergen wrote:
Leif Goodwin wrote:

The point is which are worth looking at, and which should be avoided. There are some stinkers and some that really shine.
You don't get it, too ...
No you don't get it. I think it is a reasonable question. Which AFD lenses are noteworthy, and which not. I find the answers of use.


You might wish to be rude to the OP, because you would ask a different question, in which case you start a thread and ask that question. I'll answer the one that was posed.
What use, what camera, what final output, what budget ...
Those in the know avoid the non-D version when it is inferior, such as the 28mm F2.8 AF which has one less element than the 28mm F2.8 AFD.
We're not talking about the AF 28/2.8 lenses - we're talking about the AF 80-200/2.8 zooms where there are only two optical designs: The AF-S - and all the rest. Those-in-the-know know that ...
Your post was ambiguous.
So those-in-the-know's budget tip is the non-D AF 80-200/2.8.
 
Juergen wrote:
Leif Goodwin wrote:

The point is which are worth looking at, and which should be avoided. There are some stinkers and some that really shine.
You don't get it, too ...

What use, what camera, what final output, what budget ...



I answered these questions,

First post I stated D7000 with an eye towards an FX.

Second post I stated " I shoot all types of photography, landscape, macro, portrait, indoor groups etc etc. I'm not really looking for a specific use lens."

The budget doesn't matter, right not I might not have the money for something like a 300mm F4 etc. But if it is something worth having, I can save up. Why limit myself to what I can afford today.

You keep saying "what do YOU like?". How would I know that given I have never used any of them. It's why I am asking people who have used them. If I knew which of these I liked, I wouldn't be asking which of these older lenses others found to be good.


I'm not sure why you are being so hostile. Others answered the question. If you think the question is non-sense, just ignore it instead of being mean about it.
 
Juergen wrote:
Stacey_K wrote:

Are there different versions of the 80-200 and which do you have that you like?
Yes, there are:

80-200/2.8 D ED MK II (push-pull)

80-200/2.8 D ED Dual Rings MK III

AF-S 80-200/2.8D IF-ED
I had the 80-200/2.8 D ED MK II (push-pull) long ago. The most important thing to know about it is that it does not have a tripod foot. When it was new, Kirk (I think it was them) made an elaborate mount for it. It was like a set of telescope rings with a bar connecting them. This was the only effective way to use this lens with a tripod. The lense was too long and heavy to use the camera tripod mount. I would not recommend buying this lens unless the seller includes the Kirk mount.

I had heard good things about the Nikon 28mm Lens nikon 28mm f/3.5 AIS on this forum (or the Nikon lens forum) and bought one on ebay for $150. It was very sharp in the center, and good in the corners. However, it had what is known as a sombrero field of focus. So, there was a doughnut shaped area about halfway to the edge that was out-of-focus when the center and corners were in focus. Horrible lens for landscape shooting.
 
I am a hobbyist, but in my opinion, two things that in my opinion you can get from viewing images online on pbase and flickr is understanding of the field of view of a specific lens and also very much, the rendition of a specific lens.

Rendition and impression of it, whether you like it or not, can be important, and thus viewing images online of various lenses can help you choose, I think. Looking for colors, contrast, out of focus quality (bokeh), flow of out of focus areas from focus, detail resolution etc.

Just something maybe worth considering.
 
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Leif Goodwin wrote:
sd40 wrote:
Leif Goodwin wrote:

Those in the know avoid the non-D version when it is inferior, such as the 28mm F2.8 AF which has one less element than the 28mm F2.8 AFD.
There is some useful info about Nikon's 28mm primes here.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/28mm-f28-afd.htm
The problem with that site is that after visiting I feel so dirty that I need to take a shower.
If you're considering one of them, proceed carefully. If I understand it correctly, the well-regarded 28mm f/2.8 AIS has eight elements. The 28mm f/2.8 AF (perhaps early versions only?) had five elements and was developed from the cheap 28mm Series E lens, not the AIS version. The 28mm f/2.8 AF-D was a slight upgrade of the AF and had six elements.
Yup. Newer lenses are not always better, or might be, or might not be ...
I owned the AF-D and was disappointed in its lack of sharpness and contrast. I have been much more pleased with the 20mm and 24mm AF-D lenses. Perhaps the new 28mm G version fills the gap in the lineup left by the AF-D predecessor. But with both a 16-35 and 28-105 performing nicely at 28mm, I am not highly motivated to spring for it.
I hated the 28mm F2.8 AFD. The 28mm F2.8 AIS is much better, albeit mine has older coatings.
 

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