Best compact camera with $299 ready to spend - S100 or LX7 or ???

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Hello, I would like a small compact camera to complement my DSLR. I'm normally a Canon user, but will consider other brands. I want it pocketable (technically it doesn't have to be a "compact" as long as it is easily pocketable), and image quality is the #1 criteria - good image quality with accurate colours. I also need a fast lens so it can take indoor shots well without flash. f2.0 or faster. Lastly it is for taking short videos of the kids, I like taking 30 second videos that capture moments, and I want the video to be good quality and handle indoors fine. Video only needs to be 720p, that's enough. I don't want it to have a lens hood, it must cover the lens itself. All other features are nice but those are the main criteria for me.

I looked thru all Canon's small/compact offerings and can only find one that matches - the S100/S110, is that right? All the others don't have a fast lens, even though they may be cheaper or have better zoom.


I'm looking at the S100 on B&H is currently $250 - my budget is $299, but since I have to ship internationally and get an SD card, $250 is just right. The S110 is on a good sale too, but it's about $330 which is too much, plus it's not much of an improvement, and I would rather have the GPS than the Wifi.


Problems:

1. what about the S100 lens error/recall issue? If the serial number is not in the bad zone, will it be safe? Does Canon honour fixing all lens errors on the S100 without problems?


2. The Panasonic LX7 is currently on a big sale at B&H for $299. I suppose with accessories it is technically slightly over my budget, but the problem is that on specs, the LX7 beats the S100 across the board. Their rating is similar on dpreview, but in every category, the LX7 wins, and significantly. However when I look at the sample photos in the recent compact camera roundup, the S100's colours seem more accurate than those of the LX7.


3. No viewfinder on the S100. I don't like that the S100's lens is no longer fast at the tele end. There are a couple of other disappointing things about it, but I think those are the main two :(


Does anyone have experience with both these cameras and can give me an opinion, or is there another camera I am missing which I should be considering? Or generally any input from your experiences at all? I know people seem to love their S90's and S95's. I remember when the S100 first came out some people thought the S95 had better colours or was kind of better, but researching recently people seem to be happy with the S100.


Thanks for your help!
 
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Hello, thanks for all the valuable input, below I have summarised my decision to buy the Canon S100 in case that information is useful for anyone reading this question. Paul Rivers is welcome to apologise publicly at any time.



S100 key advantages for me, in rough order of importance:

1. Colour accuracy. Two people replied saying that in their real world experience the Canon's colours were much more accurate than the Panasonic's. This was confirmed by what I saw in the following pages:


vs.
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My Canon SD870 had the lens error problem within 30 days of purchase. Canon fixed it and the camera performed admirably. I had bought three S90, one S95, and four S100 for family members. No problem whatosever.

When one is as big as Canon producing hundred of thousands of P&S cameras there will be certain manufacturing defects. When they acknowledged and fixed the problem it is time to move on. I believe this lens error problem exists throughout the S series but just not reported.
 
PaulRivers wrote:
biggles266 wrote:

Thanks everyone for your help and input. I have now chosen and ordered the camera. Will write up the deciding factors when I get a chance to post here as a summary that might help others. Thanks again for your advice.
Lol, this is why I don't spend much time on the forums any more. You write out advice about the pros and cons of two options - half the time people never write back, the other half they say something like this which is basically "I can't even be bothered to mention which camera I got, and I'll make excuses about writing back later but you know I won't".

(rolls eyes)

Least they could do is mention which one they decided on.
"the camera". You know, if I hadn't just bought a refurb P7100 I would have bought a NIB S100 for sale on my local Craigslist for $210. Somebody won it at their office and want to sell it immediately. But I digress.
 
toomanycanons wrote:

"the camera". You know, if I hadn't just bought a refurb P7100 I would have bought a NIB S100 for sale on my local Craigslist for $210. Somebody won it at their office and want to sell it immediately. But I digress.
maybe the new owner found out this S100 has one of the dreaded serial numbers ;-)
 
I bought both and compared them side by side. The LX7 was the easy winner with better IQ and performance. The slightly larger size of the LX7 is another benefit; the S100 is too small and more difficult to hold.
 
Hello, thanks for all the valuable input, below I have summarised my decision to buy the Canon S100 in case that information is useful for anyone reading this question. Paul Rivers is welcome to apologise publicly at any time.



S100 key advantages for me, in rough order of importance:

1. Colour accuracy. Two people replied saying that in their real world experience the Canon's colours were much more accurate than the Panasonic's. This was confirmed by what I saw in the following pages:


vs.

vs.

So five sources all indicating more accurate colour was too important to ignore, and real world examples are more important to me than lab reports.

2. Pocketable size and no lens cap needed. I really wanted to be able to pocket this camera, and also to feel comfortable letting my wife take it out and use it, without having to worry about the lens cap coming off or lost, and the lens getting scratched.

3. S100 seemed to beat the LX7 in high-ISO photos. See here: and
4. GPS is a handy feature. We are moving to the country soon and as we explore I hope to post some photos on google earth and the GPS will be nice for that.

5. S100 has more zoom.

6. S100 was $50 less money.

7. Familiarity with Canon and loyalty to them. I have owned Canons since their 1 megapixel A10 (still works intermittently!). Many people commented that the menus on the LX7 were confusing and annoying. The S100 menus will be familiar.

8. I wrote to B&H and they said that they got rid of all their S100 stock that was in the range that had the known fault, so the serial number issue doesn't apply.

9. S100 images on Flickr seemed to have more pop than LX7 images in a non-scientific browse of their "Most interestings".




Key things the LX7 had going for it were:

1. Faster lens beat the S100's hands down for speed. Oh well, the S100 should handle indoor fine for wide photos, while for more complex indoor photos then if I am at home I will have my DSLR available to use instead. The camera I wanted was one to grab and take with me on trips out, so much although not all of that time will be outdoors. Still, this feature on the LX7 is very impressive.

2. Better video (great comparison of the two on this site: http://us.gizmodo.com/5950679/panasonic-lumix-lx7-review-a-lovely-point+and+shoot-for-control-freaks), more video options as well as better quality. This is impressive too. However, the S100's quality was sufficient, and my main purpose is 30 sec clips of my kids to capture memories. S100 video can autofocus and allows optical zoom, which the earlier S models didn't, so that's good. S100 also has an interesting high speed video feature to play with.

3. Front ring had more features, with the aperture and image ratio selectable manually. That would be cool, I would like that, but will have to get by without it.

4. Better LCD screen.

5. In camera panorama feature.



There may have been a couple of other factors I can't remember right now, but anyway. I am sure both are good cameras and am glad owners are enjoying the ones they own. Thanks again for people's input.
 
Solution
Received my S100 from B&H on Friday, January 04, 2012, serial number 41xxxxxxxx and at least three bad pixels. So yes, they are still shipping the affected series.

I will be sending it back next week. Countless hours of research wasted, should have read the reviews on Amazon first. Amazon seems to be the only source for uncontrolled reviews.

Jerry
 
jerrya086 wrote:

Received my S100 from B&H on Friday, January 04, 2012, serial number 41xxxxxxxx and at least three bad pixels. So yes, they are still shipping the affected series.

I will be sending it back next week. Countless hours of research wasted, should have read the reviews on Amazon first. Amazon seems to be the only source for uncontrolled reviews.

Jerry
OMIGOD, three bad pixels!!! Your very paranoia about receiving some faulty camera probably caused it. Just sayin'...
 
What was your criteria for identifying "bad pixels?" Any camera will show some "hot" pixels under certain situations, and testing for bad pixels needs to be done carefully.
 
jerrya086 wrote:

I'm confused, I only became concerned yesterday after receiving it. No paranoia!

Jerry
Something about the "countless hours of research wasted". I say all this in jest but historically on these forums, if somebody intrepidly asks "is it OK to buy refurbished" or "will my D7000 backfocus, I hear they all do" or "will my S100 exhibit the 'lens issue'" and we all say, go for it man, just buy one, they stress and stress and stress and, sure enough, their refurbished is DOA, their D7000 back AND front focuses at the same time and, yup, their S100 "lens issue" rears its ugly head.

Contrast that with my experiences with cameras: no problems ever. BTW, I've never looked for dead pixels on any of my cameras. For all I know, some of them may have had some.
 

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