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Side by side comparison of top compacts

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To win a F1 competition the driver does not have to be an engineer. And I saw some good engineers pretty hopeless on driving. There's fine line between skill and knowledge. As for EXR resolution - one needs to pixel-peep to see it. At 3-5 Mp all modern compacts look essentially the same, and only 1:1 shows how ugly all of them are with noise stealing most of resolution advantage. EXR sensor cameras are no exception. That's why most of the users opt out for better dynamic range at half-resolution. And only most desperate ones try to squeese out that last drop from what the camera has to give - which is seriously more difficult with EXR as compared to older SuperCCDs. SuperCCD was primarily created for resolution and had further development to inrease the dynamic range. EXR took it to the extreme - and definitely loses in resolution, if not with the rest then with SuperCCD for sure. I wish 10 Mp version of HS camera with SuperCCD was available...
 
WillemB said:
WillemB wrote:

Back on topic... Do you also observe that in the shown pictures the X10 is the only one that clearly shows the guide wires on top of the tower? The XF1 in the last picture has the same sensor but clearly does not show those wires. The X10 seems to have have a better lens...
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MarioV said:
MarioV wrote:
MarioV said:
WillemB wrote:

Back on topic... Do you also observe that in the shown pictures the X10 is the only one that clearly shows the guide wires on top of the tower? The XF1 in the last picture has the same sensor but clearly does not show those wires. The X10 seems to have have a better lens...
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I was initially quite upset to see just how bad the X10 fared in this comparison test. So thank you for making me look at the images a bit more critically, (on my little laptop, though).

The lighting is clearly not the same. Look at the position of the shadows in the main street. The sun is much lower in the Fuji shot. As has been pointed out the clouds are very different and the Fuji one was taken in much worse light conditions. Unfortunately I could not see exif to see exposure details. Finally the flag is blowing the other way, so unless the wind switched 180 degrees it is a different day.

All of us who are concerned about quality of distant detail are aware of the effect of air quality in getting decent shots, which varies day by day.


Come on, DPReview, we value your comparisons, but please get it equal!

tom
 
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Can you explain that more or give examples to demonstrate? I don't understand how X10 has low resolution at 12mp. I do agree that the camera gives the option of either 12mp full resolution, or at 6mp in EXR either better SN or DR, which is useful in some, but not all, circumstances.


Are you suggesting that the unusual pixel layout has an effect on resolution at 12mp?

thanks

tom
 
tomhongkong said:
tomhongkong wrote:

I was initially quite upset to see just how bad the X10 fared in this comparison test. So thank you for making me look at the images a bit more critically, (on my little laptop, though).

The lighting is clearly not the same. Look at the position of the shadows in the main street. The sun is much lower in the Fuji shot. As has been pointed out the clouds are very different and the Fuji one was taken in much worse light conditions. Unfortunately I could not see exif to see exposure details. Finally the flag is blowing the other way, so unless the wind switched 180 degrees it is a different day.

All of us who are concerned about quality of distant detail are aware of the effect of air quality in getting decent shots, which varies day by day.

Come on, DPReview, we value your comparisons, but please get it equal!

tom
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For the most part, I dont think it will change anything. All these cameras have similar IQ at normal sizes. For 100% and significant cropping, the P7700 and RX100 are the better performers based on these shots.
 
Based on these shots I agree, however my point is that these shots are not taken in the same conditions, and conclusins drawn from them must therefore be suspect.

tom
 
MarioV said:
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All these cameras have similar IQ at normal sizes. For 100% and significant cropping, the P7700 and RX100 are the better performers based on these shots.
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That is a bizarre statement about the P7700 and a nonfactual statement about the RX100.

Where exactly does the P7700 show higher resolution? It seems no better than the G15 in any image, and worse in some.


I can see why someone might say the RX100 has the highest resolution among these cameras, because it has the most pixels, but it is only the X10 that shows the guy wires on the tower.

No way the guy wires were added later - without them the antenna would fall over in the wind.
 
CAcreeks said:
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MarioV wrote:

All these cameras have similar IQ at normal sizes. For 100% and significant cropping, the P7700 and RX100 are the better performers based on these shots.
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I can see why someone might say the RX100 has the highest resolution among these cameras, because it has the most pixels, but it is only the X10 that shows the guy wires on the tower.

No way the guy wires were added later - without them the antenna would fall over in the wind.
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CAcreeks said:
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FrancoisXavier C wrote:
CAcreeks said:
Only the X10 shows the guy wires on the tower. No way the guy wires were added later - without them the antenna would fall over in the wind.
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If you click on that JPEG to see the full size image, the guy wires become visible.

Is "and yet" what you meant to write?
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The wires in the X10 shot are a later addition.

These wires appear only in the X10 shot, simply because the X10 shot is the only one taken on 4 December, whereas all the other shots were taken several weeks earlier on 9 November.

The most glaringly obvious difference between the X10 shot and all the others, is the colour of the roof - it's been repainted green in the X10 shot, whereas it is orange/gold in all the other shots. It may even be that these wires are part of some sort of temporary rigging to support the painters' etc whilst repainting the roof.

Also note, the wires in the X10 shot are not the same wires as those in the Wikipedia image, they are in a completely different position.

As for the respective cameras' resolutions, the two Fujifilm cameras are clearly amongst the worst performers as far as resolution is concerned - but that is no surprise, given their EXR sensors' design.
 
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They are no guy wires but electrical wires with illuminating bulbs to give a bright silhouett in the night sky. Specially for Christmas and End-of-year festivities. Sorry to have started this, but somewhere in the Nikon forum a test with the newest 70-200/4 lens of Nikon showed this...
 
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WillemB said:
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They are no guy wires but electrical wires with illuminating bulbs to give a bright silhouett in the night sky. Specially for Christmas and End-of-year festivities. Sorry to have started this, but somewhere in the Nikon forum a test with the newest 200/4 lens of Nikon showed this...
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You're absolutely correct.

I was just looking at their web-site, and they have a web-cam which reveals those 'wires' to actually be supports for seasonal lighting decorations...

http://www.spaceneedle.com/view/webcam.html

Also, in case anyone was interested, the newer green roof design is apparently like this...

http://www.spaceneedle.com/news/2012/10/space-needle-top-this-winner/
 
WillemB said:
WillemB wrote:

They are no guy wires but electrical wires with illuminating bulbs to give a bright silhouett in the night sky. Specially for Christmas and End-of-year festivities. Sorry to have started this, but somewhere in the Nikon forum a test with the newest 70-200/4 lens of Nikon showed this...
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Thanks for the factual correction about seasonal lights on the Space Needle.

Not that I am an X10 fan, but it still looks to me like the X10 has a sharper lens, if not better resolution, than the Sony RX100. Here is a comparison at medium telephoto, where the RX100 should not be at a disadvantage (its lens is known to suck at macro distances).

From X10 resolution chart
From X10 resolution chart

From RX100 resolution chart
From RX100 resolution chart

Lines are resolved but look fuzzy after 16.
 
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