Bobsworld
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Combining my two latest obsessions.
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Infrared panoramic
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Daniella68313
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Nice panorama! what software do you use to stitch them?
Also do you have a samples straight out of the camera full size?
Daniella
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Also do you have a samples straight out of the camera full size?
--Combining my two latest obsessions.
Daniella
http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=26918
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
C7OO FORUM: http://www.c700uz.com
c7OOuz, Dimage-7, Tcon14tele, C210tele, Cokin-173, Grad-ND, Hoya-red-Intensifier, Hoya_R_72.
Bobsworld
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I use Photoshop Elements photomerge. This was four images. Do you mean the individual images out of the camera before I combined them? If so, I don't have them downloaded to a web site and posted. I used the Nikon Coolpix 950. I'm not happy with the resolution of the pano image but I find it easier to use this camera for infrared panoramas because I can handhold the camera, see a good image in the lcd monitor and there's virtually no loss in shutter speed. My filter is for the Oly E-10 but it's going to be much more of a chore with that camera, requiring a tripod, and prefocus and composing before putting on the filter, since it's almost totally dark on the monitor. The Coolpix is what I carry around on my bike for casual shooting.
Also do you have a samples straight out of the camera full size?
--Combining my two latest obsessions.
Daniella
http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=26918
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
C7OO FORUM: http://www.c700uz.com
c7OOuz, Dimage-7, Tcon14tele, C210tele, Cokin-173, Grad-ND,
Hoya-red-Intensifier, Hoya_R_72.
Joseph S Wisniewski
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Bobsworld
Senior Member
Thanks. Now if I only had one camera that would do a good job with both functions. The Coolpix does a great job with IR but the panos are not so hot as far as resolution. My E-10 does a great job with the panos but is very difficult to do IR with.
Daniella68313
Forum Pro
element photomerge? hmm.. i have to try this. Is it standard in Element 2? is it a plugin?
I was wondering if you had a photo straight out of the camera because I thought this was taken with a Sony and I wanted to see the quality of the Sony infrared photo. I already know about the good infrared capability of the 950..one of the best for IR but unfortunatly only 2mp
some people even bought a 995 and removed the hot mirror inside....If I can find one for cheap..i'll do just that to 
I don't want to risk it with my Dimage 7...
I was wondering also if you had any trouble stitching it because of the parallax error? images don't match perfectly unless you rotate the camera on its nodal point. I need to build a pano head for my Dimage 7. I want to be able to take high res, very high res, photos up to 12mp like this one:
http://www.pbase.com/image/15752498
http://www.pbase.com/image/15955437
those are 11 and 12 mp and made of 6 images each. but it was a pain to stitch because I did them handheld. I tried to rotate the camera on the lens central point as much as possible but it is hard.
Daniella
http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=26918
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
C7OO FORUM: http://www.c700uz.com
c7OOuz, Dimage-7, Tcon14tele, C210tele, Cokin-173, Grad-ND, Hoya-red-Intensifier, Hoya_R_72.
I was wondering if you had a photo straight out of the camera because I thought this was taken with a Sony and I wanted to see the quality of the Sony infrared photo. I already know about the good infrared capability of the 950..one of the best for IR but unfortunatly only 2mp
some people even bought a 995 and removed the hot mirror inside....If I can find one for cheap..i'll do just that to I don't want to risk it with my Dimage 7...
I was wondering also if you had any trouble stitching it because of the parallax error? images don't match perfectly unless you rotate the camera on its nodal point. I need to build a pano head for my Dimage 7. I want to be able to take high res, very high res, photos up to 12mp like this one:
http://www.pbase.com/image/15752498
http://www.pbase.com/image/15955437
those are 11 and 12 mp and made of 6 images each. but it was a pain to stitch because I did them handheld. I tried to rotate the camera on the lens central point as much as possible but it is hard.
--Also do you have a samples straight out of the camera full size?
--Combining my two latest obsessions.
Daniella
http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=26918
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
C7OO FORUM: http://www.c700uz.com
c7OOuz, Dimage-7, Tcon14tele, C210tele, Cokin-173, Grad-ND,
Hoya-red-Intensifier, Hoya_R_72.
Daniella
http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=26918
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
C7OO FORUM: http://www.c700uz.com
c7OOuz, Dimage-7, Tcon14tele, C210tele, Cokin-173, Grad-ND, Hoya-red-Intensifier, Hoya_R_72.
Daniella68313
Forum Pro
I can do handheld IR with my Dimage 7 and for now most of my IR are of big resolution and I stitch them manualt in PS but it's a pain. It matches perfectly though because I can really select perfectly where I want to blend both photos and delete what is not needed.
How do you deal with overlaping that does not match perfectly? how about difference in exposure? IR photo tend to have the sky go darker away from the sun and lighter when you point more in direction of the sun.
Daniella
http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=26918
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
C7OO FORUM: http://www.c700uz.com
c7OOuz, Dimage-7, Tcon14tele, C210tele, Cokin-173, Grad-ND, Hoya-red-Intensifier, Hoya_R_72.
How do you deal with overlaping that does not match perfectly? how about difference in exposure? IR photo tend to have the sky go darker away from the sun and lighter when you point more in direction of the sun.
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Daniella
http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=26918
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
C7OO FORUM: http://www.c700uz.com
c7OOuz, Dimage-7, Tcon14tele, C210tele, Cokin-173, Grad-ND, Hoya-red-Intensifier, Hoya_R_72.
Steve Cavigliano
Veteran Member
Bob,
Nice shot!! I think pano's and IR go very well together. I like your inclusion of traffic, too.
Rather than being obsessed, I prefer to think of it as being passionate...lol
Steve
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Nice shot!! I think pano's and IR go very well together. I like your inclusion of traffic, too.
Rather than being obsessed, I prefer to think of it as being passionate...lol
Steve
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http://www.pbase.com/slo2k
'If one really wishes to be master of an art, technical knowledge of it is not enough. One has to transcend technique so that the art becomes an 'artless art' growing out of the Unconscious.'
Joseph S Wisniewski
Forum Pro
I do my IR panos with a Nikon D100 SLR. It's, unfortunatly, an expensive machine, but I've been accumulating Nikon lenses for decades, so it just dropped right into the middle of a large system.
That's the great thing about panoramas. If you need more resolution, you just take more pictures.
First, I would suggest you try using Panorama Tools to assemble your panoramas. It makes things work out fairly well when you're doing a big one. And it works well for multi row panoramas. Panorama tools itself is free. It's a command line program, but there are four different GUI add ons that can make life easier. I would suggest PT Assembler. It's shareware, and very powerful.
Looking at your pic, you could have shot it as a 2 rows, 8 panoramas per row, and got a 4000x12000 panorama. Is 48 megapixel enough for you?
I notice your panorama has pretty much everything fairly far from the camera, so you can get by with just a regular 3 way head for doing a multi row.
In your case, I would have started in the lower right corner, with the traffic, then panned left, then come back to the right, raised the elevation, and repeat the left pan.
Can't help you on that one.
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Ciao!
Joe
Joseph S Wisniewski
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I think it's built in, just kind of burried. I tell my students to avoid stuff like that, or the stitching program that comes with Canon or Oly cameras. In an hour, I can have someone doing things with Panorama Tools (free and open source) that are simply stunning, and the wonder why they bothered with the "kids tools".
Remember to put a piece of optical glass in the camera where the hot mirror went. A microscope slide is sufficient quality and the right thickness for a refit on a CP995.I was wondering if you had a photo straight out of the camera
because I thought this was taken with a Sony and I wanted to see
the quality of the Sony infrared photo. I already know about the
good infrared capability of the 950..one of the best for IR but
unfortunatly only 2mp
the hot mirror inside....If I can find one for cheap..i'll do just
that to
That's not a problem for BobSo or for the Bryce Canyon pictures you pointed ouy. Those pics don't really have anything near the camera. You can use a regular tripod and 3 way or ball head and get great results.
The big cause of mismatches when using point and shoot cameras like the 950 is lens aberrations. Panorama Tools can fix those, so the stitch goes perfect.
(note: the point you rotate about is called the "entrance pupil". The nodal points (there are two of them) are entirely different points. Nodal points are critical for macro photography, but don't matter for panoramas).
Define "hard". I could take those handheld with a Dimage, and stitch them in 15 minutes in Panorama Tools, even using the awkward (but free) PT Picker GUI.
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Ciao!
Joe
Bobsworld
Senior Member
...even though your question was to me, Joseph seems to have all the answers. I will defend the Photoshop Elements merge program, however, as being very adequate, at least for me. It can be found under File, then Photomerge. It's also explained very well in the Help section. Joseph is correct on many points, but I'll explain how I work. This was five exposures, handheld, from a high footbridge. And the overlap doesn't always match perfectly and some areas need a little cloning help (see the footpath on the left). As for variations in exposure, the two frames on the left were quite a bit darker and I lightened them up in Photoshop to match the others before the final merge. And Joseph's suggestion about taking a lot of frames is probably valid, but unfortunately, my computer is old and underpowered and can't handle more than five frames at time without crashing.
How do you deal with overlaping that does not match perfectly? how
about difference in exposure? IR photo tend to have the sky go
darker away from the sun and lighter when you point more in
direction of the sun.
--
Daniella
http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=26918
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
C7OO FORUM: http://www.c700uz.com
c7OOuz, Dimage-7, Tcon14tele, C210tele, Cokin-173, Grad-ND,
Hoya-red-Intensifier, Hoya_R_72.
Daniella68313
Forum Pro
I can define hard.. it is hard to do manualy with Photoshop. I will try the pano tool but it is supposed to be hard to learn, according to the notice on the web site.
Daniella
http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=26918
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
C7OO FORUM: http://www.c700uz.com
c7OOuz, Dimage-7, Tcon14tele, C210tele, Cokin-173, Grad-ND, Hoya-red-Intensifier, Hoya_R_72.
--I think it's built in, just kind of burried. I tell my students to
avoid stuff like that, or the stitching program that comes with
Canon or Oly cameras. In an hour, I can have someone doing things
with Panorama Tools (free and open source) that are simply
stunning, and the wonder why they bothered with the "kids tools".
Remember to put a piece of optical glass in the camera where theI was wondering if you had a photo straight out of the camera
because I thought this was taken with a Sony and I wanted to see
the quality of the Sony infrared photo. I already know about the
good infrared capability of the 950..one of the best for IR but
unfortunatly only 2mp
the hot mirror inside....If I can find one for cheap..i'll do just
that to
hot mirror went. A microscope slide is sufficient quality and the
right thickness for a refit on a CP995.
That's not a problem for BobSo or for the Bryce Canyon pictures you
pointed ouy. Those pics don't really have anything near the camera.
You can use a regular tripod and 3 way or ball head and get great
results.
The big cause of mismatches when using point and shoot cameras like
the 950 is lens aberrations. Panorama Tools can fix those, so the
stitch goes perfect.
(note: the point you rotate about is called the "entrance pupil".
The nodal points (there are two of them) are entirely different
points. Nodal points are critical for macro photography, but don't
matter for panoramas).
Define "hard". I could take those handheld with a Dimage, and
stitch them in 15 minutes in Panorama Tools, even using the awkward
(but free) PT Picker GUI.
--
Ciao!
Joe
Daniella
http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=26918
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
C7OO FORUM: http://www.c700uz.com
c7OOuz, Dimage-7, Tcon14tele, C210tele, Cokin-173, Grad-ND, Hoya-red-Intensifier, Hoya_R_72.
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