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Capture One vs. Lightroom
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MikeFromMesa
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I completely agree. I can (and do) use the software as it is and, while I look forward to the features, I can live without them until they are implemented. IQ is paramount.
MikeFromMesa
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No, but they have posted the beta for 1.0.4. I am going to download it now although the list of fixes does not appear to affect me much.
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miketuthill
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As long as it isn't Phase One, DXO Labs, Corel, Apple, Microsoft or Adobe that take them over I'm good with whatever happens to them
You are probably right about the workflow aspect of photography for some people, but I am finding that using Photo Ninja in conjunction with Photo Mechanic (for DAM) is actually very easy, smooth and fast. When PN becomes available as a Photoshop plugin, that should address a number of workflow issues, including local adjustments and printing. At that point, I don't see why the program would not be suitable for working professionals. Furthermore, one should consider how quickly one can get great results from Photo Ninja. I am repeatedly amazed by how little adjusting is required, because images look nearly perfect from the start. That is a big time saver. In comparison, ACR requires much more time and effort even to approach PN, which happens rather infrequently, at least in my hands.
Rob
MikeFromMesa
Senior Member
I thought that the plugin, when available, was to allow PhotoNinja to call Photoshop, not the other way around. Did I misunderstand? Or did I misunderstand what you wrote here?
MikeFromMesa
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Yes and no.
It has been my experience that most real innovation in software companies is the result of a handful of flexible and resourceful engineers who drive the process of change. There is so much inertia in big organizations that really large corporations (and I worked for several of these) are often like a large speeding boat - almost impossible to get to change directions in a short time if at all.
A small corporation, on the other hand, is usally very agile and quick to adapt - they have to be to survive and there are fewer people to oppose change. Many engineers would rather work for small corporations for exactly that reason, although financial stability often stops them.
Very good question.
MikeFromMesa
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Ha. That is pretty much all of them ...miketuthill wrote:
As long as it isn't Phase One, DXO Labs, Corel, Apple, Microsoft or Adobe that take them over I'm good with whatever happens to them
miketuthill
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If you look at this page you'll find a discussion of the Photoshop plugin and it sounds good to me.
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MikeFromMesa
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Thank you. That article clarified a lot for me.
I was hoping to be able to use PhotoNinja as the base editor and call CS5/6 via some kind of external editing but, as you said, it is the other way round.
miketuthill
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The way I interpret it, you will use it instead of ACR and then finish off with PS however you will also have the option to return the image to PN for additional adjustments. I can live with that as long as it's fair seamless. Ultimately I would like to be able to do everything right up to and including printing right within PN but I'm guessing that won't be realistic for quite some time and I'd rather see them work on the performance issues in the meantime.
I installed the 1.04 beta today and haven't encountered any issues other than my laptop heat increasing 20+ degrees celcius temporarily when I paste settings from a completed image to a new image. I sent them an email about that and got a response (but not a solution yet) pretty quickly. I don't recall version 1.03 exhibiting a heat increase to this extent.
I have grown very fond of using Photo Mechanic in conjunction with Photo Ninja. PM is like Bridge on steroids. What I would like to know is whether I could continue to use PM with the Photo Ninja plugin, or will I be forced to use Bridge. That is, will Photo Mechanic be able to access the plugin directly? Somehow, I suspect not. I would be just as happy using PN as a stand alone program, if they create an option to open a processed image directly in Photoshop. For the past several years, I have been using raw convertors that are not fully integrated with PS, so I think that I can easily live with it.
Rob
miketuthill
Senior Member
Good questions. It would be nice to be able to beta test future versions as that would give one some influence, maybe, on how the software evolves.
I have done some limited testing of using PM with PN and have a question for you. Do you do your printing in PM? I've never used the PM print function and wonder how it is compared to Lightroom's print function which I find very nice.
No, I finish off images in Photoshop and print with ImagePrint. It turns out that using several different programs for different stages of image processing is not very difficult or time consuming. I say that as an amateur enthusiast who has more than enough time on his hands (I'm retired). Working professionals may feel that every second has a monetary value. However, the time that I spend in Photo Ninja to get an image nearly perfect is far less than what I have to spend in ACR or C1 to get inferior results.
Rob
miketuthill
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I spent some time browsing with PM and then doing raw conversions with PN followed by any fine tuning needed in PSCS6 and it does work pretty smoothly once you get the hang of it. For the few images that I do end up printing it would be no big deal to fire up Lightroom for that (or PS for that matter).
Probably not the exact user group you wanted but I recently ditched Capture One Express (COE) for LR after using the former since something like version 3.7.
Reasons:
- The large price cut in LR last year moved it from the Capture One Pro (COP) price space to the Express version price space. Feature-wise LR is largely equivalent to COP, so it blows COE out of the water in that regard.
- Further to previous point, COP is now (relatively) very expensive and as an amateur I can't justify paying the difference. Upgrading from COE to the current COP release would cost be double what I paid outright for LR.
- For what is I think the first time since COE (or Capture One LE as it was once called) came into being they haven't updated both the COE and COP versions at the same time and point-blank refuse to comment if they ever intend to bring the versions back into line. This makes me wonder if they're going to kill off (COE) before long.
- The last couple of major version releases of CO have frankly been paid beta tests and have generally taken a couple of point releases to sort some fairly big issues out.
- LR obviously has alot more resources available for it (training, presets etc).
Don't get me wrong, I liked COE. However, with LR i'm finding alot of things really great (dual monitor support for instance), there are some rescue jobs on certain shots that COE struggled with that LR has done a better job on (initially overexposed stuff especially) and I definitely feel i've gained from the move.
Have you tried Capture One (it should work for 30 days on a trial licence) and if so then how have you found it?
MikeFromMesa
Senior Member
Agreed.
I also downloaded 1.0.4 and installed it. Unfortunately it over-wrote 1.0.3 so I cannot compare the two but I noticed what seemed to me to be noticeable slowdown in processing in 1.0.4.
I run on a Windows system so I opened the Task Manager and watched the memory usage. The following is a list of actions taken and memory used as shown by the Task Manager.
Before starting PN - 3.4 GB,
After starting PN but before loading images - 4.2 GB,
Load first raw image and edit - 6.2 GB,
Save and close first raw image - 6.1 GB,
Load subsequent raw images and edit - 6.3 GB,
Save and close subsequent raw images - 6.2 GB
In other words, once the first raw image was edited and saved, the app does not release the used memory back to the system. Thus continued editing always leaves the system using 6.2-6.3 GB of memory and, it seemed to me, editing actions within PN such as noise reduction or cropping, are considerably slower than with 1.0.3. Since I only have 8 GB of main memory, usage of more than 6 GB has a noticeable effect.
As I said, since 1.0.3 was over-written by the 1.0.4 installation I cannot compare the actual memory usage values. Perhaps I will uninstall 1.0.4, reload 1.0.3 and see what happens with it just to satisfy myself. I have reported this issue (?) to Picturecode.
MikeFromMesa
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I believe the trial license for CO is for 60 days, not 30. That, at least, is better than either LR's 30 day trial or PhotoNinja's 14 day trial license.
I agree that it is not really a big deal, but some people insist on working within a single program, which has its advantages, but also its disadvantages. It means missing out on other programs that may perform specific functions better than an all-in-one program.
Rob
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