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Cacophonic Visions wrote:

The Canon 85 f/1.2 might be half a stop quicker than the Sony Zeiss 85 f/1.4ZA, but the Canon would have to be stopped down to approach anything resembling the Sony Zeiss in sharpness at wide open.
This is not correct. The two are essentially equal at maximum aperture.


The Zeiss is slightly worse in the center and slightly better in the corners. Photozone finds the same in their test charts.
I'm pretty sure that 2.5-4.5 stops of IBIS makes up that difference
In this particular example, you would be wrong unless the target was an object. I'm keen on stabilization with lenses over 100mm. Below that, subject-induced motion blur will set in long before you see the advantage of stabilization. Three stops down from 1/85 is around 1/10. My typical cutoff for stationary people is about 1/50, and significantly faster if they're liable to be moving.
 
ck3 wrote:
Alexdi wrote:
There will be frequent scenarios where a 5D III will hit double or more what the Sony can manage
"Double or more" is a pretty specific claim. How did you arrive at that number? Why not "triple or more" or "20% or more"?
You're right. It could easily be a 90% difference in some circumstances. Bryan Carnathan over at The Digital Picture likes to test with a horse running at the camera. Rob Galbraith does the same with sprinters. Both the 5D III and the 1D X can nail upwards of 4 in 5 shots at full burst rates in these tests. Based on reviews here and elsewhere, the A99 may well get nothing in focus, though some folks here suggest otherwise. By all means try it and report back.
 
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Good to know it's working for you. Any further context for the difficult scenarios you've tried with it?
 
Thanks for the comments. Our issue with the AF performance when shooting fast-moving athletes was not in the camera missing focus by locking onto a stray subject that fell within a different AF point. It was, rather, that the camera knew what it was focusing on, but was unable to consistently predict subject movement between exposures.

The lack of live view is not specific only to panning. When you're shooting a burst of images of a particular action, ie someone jumping or shooting a ball, you don't know when the real time action has stopped because you're seeing the previous frames. If you're used to shooting with an OVF that can be a jarring experience and also make precise timing difficult when trying to catch specific moments.
 
Alexdi wrote:
ck3 wrote:
Alexdi wrote:
There will be frequent scenarios where a 5D III will hit double or more what the Sony can manage
"Double or more" is a pretty specific claim. How did you arrive at that number? Why not "triple or more" or "20% or more"?
You're right. It could easily be a 90% difference in some circumstances.
Why not consider that it might be even less. Or that in some circumstances the A99 might hit more than the mk III? Actually I have no idea.
Bryan Carnathan over at The Digital Picture likes to test with a horse running at the camera. Rob Galbraith does the same with sprinters. Both the 5D III and the 1D X can nail upwards of 4 in 5 shots at full burst rates in these tests. Based on reviews here and elsewhere, the A99 may well get nothing in focus, though some folks here suggest otherwise. By all means try it and report back.
The review on this site doesn't suggest that at all (the criticism about the performance of the AF was made with reference to indoor basketball). And I cannot try it since I don't own the camera. And that would be my main point: I wouldn't make any claims (positive or negative) about the performance or usability of a camera I don't have any experience with :-)
 
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Amadou Diallo wrote:

When you're shooting a burst of images of a particular action, ie someone jumping or shooting a ball, you don't know when the real time action has stopped because you're seeing the previous frames.
You have mentioned this "previous frame" issue before, while it's true for A77 and other SLT camera, but in the case of A99 things are different now. Have you tried turning preview off? I did, and also turned off face recognition/jpeg NR, the result is much more "direct and assuring" experience. Hardly any lag that prevent me from getting high keeper rate. In my typical burst (usually 8-12 frames) I can easily get half of them in perfect focus.
 
Alexdi wrote:
Cacophonic Visions wrote:

The Canon 85 f/1.2 might be half a stop quicker than the Sony Zeiss 85 f/1.4ZA, but the Canon would have to be stopped down to approach anything resembling the Sony Zeiss in sharpness at wide open.
This is not correct. The two are essentially equal at maximum aperture.


The Zeiss is slightly worse in the center and slightly better in the corners. Photozone finds the same in their test charts.
I'm pretty sure that 2.5-4.5 stops of IBIS makes up that difference
In this particular example, you would be wrong unless the target was an object. I'm keen on stabilization with lenses over 100mm. Below that, subject-induced motion blur will set in long before you see the advantage of stabilization. Three stops down from 1/85 is around 1/10. My typical cutoff for stationary people is about 1/50, and significantly faster if they're liable to be moving.
Except that's the 85 ZE, not the 85 ZA. The ZA isn't even listed on that site you posted there, however it is listed in tests on other sites and tests better than the ZE/ZF model.

ZA: 85ZA

ZF: 85ZF2

85 1.2L II: 85L

ZE vs. ZF: ZE compared to ZF

ZE vs. ZA vs. 1.2L: 85ZE, 85ZA, 85LII comparison

Just because you don't care about stabilization below 100mm doesn't mean others don't appreciate it. 3 stops down may not be ideal in some situations, but even 2 stops negates the "high ISO advantage".
 
Amateur Sony Shooter wrote:

You have mentioned this "previous frame" issue before, while it's true for A77 and other SLT camera, but in the case of A99 things are different now. Have you tried turning preview off? I did, and also turned off face recognition/jpeg NR, the result is much more "direct and assuring" experience. Hardly any lag that prevent me from getting high keeper rate. In my typical burst (usually 8-12 frames) I can easily get half of them in perfect focus.
Do you shoot jpg?
 
dennismullen wrote:
Amateur Sony Shooter wrote:

You have mentioned this "previous frame" issue before, while it's true for A77 and other SLT camera, but in the case of A99 things are different now. Have you tried turning preview off? I did, and also turned off face recognition/jpeg NR, the result is much more "direct and assuring" experience. Hardly any lag that prevent me from getting high keeper rate. In my typical burst (usually 8-12 frames) I can easily get half of them in perfect focus.
Do you shoot jpg?
I shoot RAW only but turning off jpeg option free up buffer room and reduce clearing time.
 
fjbyrne wrote:
joel avery wrote:

Sure...the day after I bought it! <grin>

So far, I'm agreeing with your "cons" especially on the AF points. What's up with that Sony?
Also...

"AF tracking accuracy lags behind its Nikon and Canon peers".

Will Sony ever catch up in the AF department? I thought the live-view nature of the SLT would provide better AF capability (or that is what Sony claimed).
They said since the light to the AF sensor is "continuous" it was supposed to be better, plus the a99 has 2 AF systems working in tandem. What gives?
 
Amateur Sony Shooter wrote:
Amadou Diallo wrote:

When you're shooting a burst of images of a particular action, ie someone jumping or shooting a ball, you don't know when the real time action has stopped because you're seeing the previous frames.
You have mentioned this "previous frame" issue before, while it's true for A77 and other SLT camera, but in the case of A99 things are different now. Have you tried turning preview off? I did, and also turned off face recognition/jpeg NR, the result is much more "direct and assuring" experience. Hardly any lag that prevent me from getting high keeper rate. In my typical burst (usually 8-12 frames) I can easily get half of them in perfect focus.
Gotta love it. DPR gives a great review, and we have people praising it and questioning the staff's knowledge in the same breath.
 
Mirrors Galore wrote:
Amateur Sony Shooter wrote:
Amadou Diallo wrote:

When you're shooting a burst of images of a particular action, ie someone jumping or shooting a ball, you don't know when the real time action has stopped because you're seeing the previous frames.
You have mentioned this "previous frame" issue before, while it's true for A77 and other SLT camera, but in the case of A99 things are different now. Have you tried turning preview off? I did, and also turned off face recognition/jpeg NR, the result is much more "direct and assuring" experience. Hardly any lag that prevent me from getting high keeper rate. In my typical burst (usually 8-12 frames) I can easily get half of them in perfect focus.
Gotta love it. DPR gives a great review, and we have people praising it and questioning the staff's knowledge in the same breath.



Kinda shows that we're actually very objective and put thought into things rather than just sounding the trumpets and proclaiming our godliness and ignoring faults... :)
 
Alexdi wrote:
Nordstjernen wrote:

If something isn't better than the very best, it doesn't mean it is bad.

Have you worked with the A99 yourself? Taking action photographs, using focus tracking?

Also this camera has a focus limiter that works with all lenses, and which remove one of the biggest problems with autofocus when shooting action: You miss the subject for a moment, and the lens hunts from shortest distance to infinity!

Your claim "all reviewers say ... " isn't worth much!
This is an interesting post. My point of contention at the outset had less to do with the capabilities of the body than how they were measured relative to the top of the class. The bar graph was/is misleading. At least one person here referenced it in another thread, so people do seem to pay attention to it.

Is the AF system objectively bad? Probably not for most people, but it does lag class parity, and that's not inconsequential. Some creative options open up when you can trust the AF. You shoot differently. There will be frequent scenarios where a 5D III will hit double or more what the Sony can manage, and I (and many other event shooters) put a very high priority on that ability.
I shoot events as well, and the articulating LCD with fast PDAF in live view and subject tracking has given me an incredible amount of keepers where the Canon shooters could not even lock focus. It's a godsend when you are in a crush of photographers trying to get the right shot, or in a concert, or at a journalistic event, etc.




So far, in terms of $$$ earned from selling shots, I'm up by a factor of 5 over my colleague who shoots with Canon.




So yeah, it's a fantastic camera for events.
 
Alexdi wrote:
ck3 wrote:
Alexdi wrote:
There will be frequent scenarios where a 5D III will hit double or more what the Sony can manage
"Double or more" is a pretty specific claim. How did you arrive at that number? Why not "triple or more" or "20% or more"?
You're right. It could easily be a 90% difference in some circumstances. Bryan Carnathan over at The Digital Picture likes to test with a horse running at the camera. Rob Galbraith does the same with sprinters. Both the 5D III and the 1D X can nail upwards of 4 in 5 shots at full burst rates in these tests. Based on reviews here and elsewhere, the A99 may well get nothing in focus, though some folks here suggest otherwise. By all means try it and report back.



A99 tracked F1 cars. You think I'm impressed by a *horse*? LOL
 
I have the A850 and love it. The A99 would be a great upgrade, but not as much as upgrading to the A850. So, I can wait until I can afford the new A99.

The A99 would be GREAT main camera, then my A850 could be my backup.
 

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