IrishhAndy
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Does any one know if Fuji plan to revert to a proper Bayer sensor for the next range of cameras. I think the X Trans is affecting sales.
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Wii Fuji use a normal sensor for next X ?
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Combatmedic870
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rattymouse
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Well, your right.. My claim has no more proof then does his claim that it's hurting sales..
But, If I had to defend my statement it would be my "GUESS" that the sales of the X-E1 have been more encouraging then fujifilm expected.. Hence, at least I can partially say that as far as sales are concerned then they are more then expected... Agree that "thru the roof" is hyperbole.. The only evidence I can provide would be circumstantial insomuch as the 18-55 is in such short supply that they must have much higher sales then expected...
Yeah yeah, I know you can pick this whole argument apart, but it at least has some slight merit to it..
MuMinded.
Jeff Seltzer
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mr moonlight
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The X-trans sensor performs fantastically as far as we can see and in many ways outperforms the traditional Bayer sensors. The only major drawback is the lack of good RAW support from the most widely used RAW processors which is not really a drawback of the sensor itself. Its more of an issue of with the way Adobe and Fuji are handling software development. We all know that it is possible to get highly detailed images from Fuji's RAW files since we can see it from the OCC jpegs and the pro versions of Silkypix. If we eventually get ACR, LR and Capture One to give us great X-trans RAW support, the X-trans sensor will be around for awhile and will be considered a huge advantage of the X system cameras. If not, who knows what will happen to it.
rjx
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I'm a raw shooter. But all cameras have weaknesses and strengths. As a photographer, it's our job to minimize the weaknesses and exploit the strengths The XP1 and XE1 have tremendous upside. I feel those bitching about it are lazy and they expect perfect cameras and exhibit an unwillingness to actually LEARN their camera. Instead, some people expect to make masterpieces just because they activated the shutter and get mad when they actually have to spend time practicing and learning.
The sensor is the reason I purchased an XP1. Even with it's quirks. All cameras have quirks. Nothing new here. This sensor is a gem as far as i'm concerned.
Check out these X-PRO1 images. http://500px.com/search?utf8=✓&q=x-pro1
Some people only want to be negative and talk about how limiting certain gear is. And then there are those like at the link above that spend their time figuring out how to get the best from their gear.
My rant wasn't towards the OP. But definitely to a lot of people on this forum. You know the type. Those that spend their time moaning, groaning, being negative, nitpicking, evaluating pixels at 100+ % and debating which camera s fractionally better. Forum whores.
The sensor is the reason I purchased an XP1. Even with it's quirks. All cameras have quirks. Nothing new here. This sensor is a gem as far as i'm concerned.
Check out these X-PRO1 images. http://500px.com/search?utf8=✓&q=x-pro1
Some people only want to be negative and talk about how limiting certain gear is. And then there are those like at the link above that spend their time figuring out how to get the best from their gear.
My rant wasn't towards the OP. But definitely to a lot of people on this forum. You know the type. Those that spend their time moaning, groaning, being negative, nitpicking, evaluating pixels at 100+ % and debating which camera s fractionally better. Forum whores.
I could be wrong, but I see x-trans as the start of the post-Bayer era. It's only a matter of mathematics to get the image out of the sensor. Once that is solved and there are no impediments to using x-trans, more camera makers will start experimenting with different sensor arrangements, as a way of differentiating product and making people think their existing equipment is obsolete.
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And mathematics tells since xtrans has lower resolution of red and blue (less samplings), it has lower resolution in general than bayer sensor. The xtans decreases NR problem complexity at the cost of demosaic complexity. Efficient modern NR algorithms, on the other hand, matches high iso performance of bayer sensor to that of xtrans (assuming bayer sensor uses Sony IMX071, which is also used by fuji and forget about ISO6400 of fuji — it's close to 3200 with other cameras). From the point of IQ it's pure marketing trick, not actual achievement.
So, it's definitely looks like a brainless niche solution with no future. The future is with mutlilayer sensor with close to zero light loss, not that mosaic crap.
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Asylum Photo
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I'd like to see them continue. It's a damned good sensor, and hopefully with enough sales we'll see proper raw conversion follow suit.
JasperD
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LOL!
High trolling content in just a few words!
There´s plenty ´proper Bayer´ sensors out there, time to move on for you, get one of a brand appealing to you. I certainly hope the X-Trans is here to stay for a long time!
Short answer: ask Fuji, only they know.
High trolling content in just a few words!
There´s plenty ´proper Bayer´ sensors out there, time to move on for you, get one of a brand appealing to you. I certainly hope the X-Trans is here to stay for a long time!
Short answer: ask Fuji, only they know.
Yes, tell that to Phase One. They seem to have a lot of problems with IQ using a non-Bayer approach. If there is anything that sticks out about these Fuji cameras, it's IQ. Are you saying people's eyes are being tricked by marketing?
John Carson
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I think you are an anti-Fuji troll.
It's fuji jpeg's color profiles and lens abberations processing. And I'm sorry, but advanced raw converter like DxO Optics will give better picture anyway with its great color profile, DR control, lens profiles, etc. Great OOC JPEG is fine and even great, but PP is the essence of digital photography.
Bjrn SWE
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The X-trans sensor certainly have some nice qualities; good dynamic range and great ISO performance. But there are also some issues and flaws. Take a look at this picture samples from DPreviews Studio Comparison Tool.
Resolution: You can read "FILADELFIA 1876" in all the samples except the X-E1. On a pixel level the picture looks soft and smeared out. Although there is no AA filter, and some tests claim different - the res does not seem as good as the contenders in this example. This is all pixelpeeping of course, but indicates lack of resolution and sharpness in the final picture.
Color Bleeding: The white text PREMIATI have red color bleeding all over.
Switching to JPEG does not change the outcome; the result is not due to inadequate RAW processing.
There are also the issue with "fractal artefacts" that sometimes occur with fabrics and patterns. Not shown here though.
Resolution: You can read "FILADELFIA 1876" in all the samples except the X-E1. On a pixel level the picture looks soft and smeared out. Although there is no AA filter, and some tests claim different - the res does not seem as good as the contenders in this example. This is all pixelpeeping of course, but indicates lack of resolution and sharpness in the final picture.
Color Bleeding: The white text PREMIATI have red color bleeding all over.
Switching to JPEG does not change the outcome; the result is not due to inadequate RAW processing.
There are also the issue with "fractal artefacts" that sometimes occur with fabrics and patterns. Not shown here though.
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Asylum Photo
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I think, what's been shown in DPReview's testings, show that the X-Trans sensor performs very well in three categories. Resolution, noise control and dynamic range. If that's due to the color filter array, or Fuji's processing, or a combination of the two, I don't know. But the results speak for themselves.
I do agree, though, that reds are a bit lacking in certain situations.
Kokeen4231
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I agree, but there are many sites that say the x trans has caused a compromise is resolution. Anyway, all that matters is the output and the pictures that come out are great. With the conversion problem solved, it would only get better.
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