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Sonys future products: On the verge of a big change?
"Working on rumors never has been easy. But now it’s getting even more difficult to predict Sony’s roadmap. As I have learned from my sources Sony is on the verge of major changes in their camera business strategy. The financial crisis forces them to re-think the products roadmap (and as I will tell you later this is actually a good news). Usually companies do plan 2-3 years in advance. But from what I am hearing Sony is about to decide to speed up the transition to a “full mirrorless roadmap“. In concrete this means that some of the cameras and lenses that have been planed for a 2013 release may will NOT introduced. And some that have been planed for a 2014 release may come earlier.

Confused? Don’t worry. This is just to say that it will be difficult for us to be reliable on rumors about cameras coming in 6-12 months because the management is currently discussing the release (or not release) of some of these products.

I am now working (and waiting) to get some reliable details about the changing roadmap. But one thing I can tell. This is a good news! Sony definitely wants to challenge Nikon and Canon…that’s their plan! But to do so they have to clearly focus on producing unique products that are unmatched or not even available in the Canon and Nikon palette. And do not make any mistake, both E and A mount lines will be developed and reinforced. But if the roadmap change will come the reinforcement will be more “revolutionary” than “evolutionary”."
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sonys-future-products-on-the-verge-of-a-big-change/
 
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WaddleWaddle said:
WaddleWaddle wrote:

Found on SAR:
Sonys future products: On the verge of a big change?
I am hearing Sony is about to decide to speed up the transition to a “full mirrorless roadmap“. In concrete this means that some of the cameras and lenses that have been planed for a 2013 release may will NOT introduced. And some that have been planed for a 2014 release may come earlier.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sonys-future-products-on-the-verge-of-a-big-change/
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Based on what I have seen of the Sony corporate culture over the years, I feel that consolidation of their camera and lens lines to just NEX alone seems inevitable as a wise move from a business perspective. Sony has already suddenly abandoned the Minolta legacy flash shoe mount without warning, and replaced it with a totally new type shoe mount that is incompatible with existing Sony flash units without an adapter.

It now appears that Sony is about to shake off the last vestiges of the old Minolta legacy by abandoning the Minolta lens A mount as well, in favor of their own more video capable Sony designed NEX type lenses and using on sensor PDAF. Those that have the older Minolta A mount lenses will be forced to use an adapter, as they do now for NEX cameras.


In any case, it will be interesting to see, (for those on the sidelines and unaffected, at least), what Sony decides to do with their interchangeable lens camera lines.
 
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jonikon said:
jonikon wrote:
jonikon said:
WaddleWaddle wrote:

Found on SAR:
Sonys future products: On the verge of a big change?
I am hearing Sony is about to decide to speed up the transition to a “full mirrorless roadmap“. In concrete this means that some of the cameras and lenses that have been planed for a 2013 release may will NOT introduced. And some that have been planed for a 2014 release may come earlier.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sonys-future-products-on-the-verge-of-a-big-change/
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Based on what I have seen of the Sony corporate culture over the years, I feel that consolidation of their camera and lens lines to just NEX alone seems inevitable as a wise move from a business perspective. Sony has already suddenly abandoned the Minolta legacy flash shoe mount without warning, and replaced it with a totally new type shoe mount that is incompatible with existing Sony flash units without an adapter.

It now appears that Sony is about to shake off the last vestiges of the old Minolta legacy by abandoning the Minolta lens A mount as well, in favor of their own more video capable Sony designed NEX type lenses and using on sensor PDAF. Those that have the older Minolta A mount lenses will be forced to use an adapter, as they do now for NEX cameras.

In any case, it will be interesting to see, (for those on the sidelines and unaffected, at least), what Sony decides to do with their interchangeable lens camera lines.
 
jonikon said:
jonikon wrote:
jonikon said:
WaddleWaddle wrote:

Found on SAR:
Sonys future products: On the verge of a big change?
I am hearing Sony is about to decide to speed up the transition to a “full mirrorless roadmap“. In concrete this means that some of the cameras and lenses that have been planed for a 2013 release may will NOT introduced. And some that have been planed for a 2014 release may come earlier.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sonys-future-products-on-the-verge-of-a-big-change/
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Based on what I have seen of the Sony corporate culture over the years, I feel that consolidation of their camera and lens lines to just NEX alone seems inevitable as a wise move from a business perspective. Sony has already suddenly abandoned the Minolta legacy flash shoe mount without warning, and replaced it with a totally new type shoe mount that is incompatible with existing Sony flash units without an adapter.

It now appears that Sony is about to shake off the last vestiges of the old Minolta legacy by abandoning the Minolta lens A mount as well, in favor of their own more video capable Sony designed NEX type lenses and using on sensor PDAF. Those that have the older Minolta A mount lenses will be forced to use an adapter, as they do now for NEX cameras.

In any case, it will be interesting to see, (for those on the sidelines and unaffected, at least), what Sony decides to do with their interchangeable lens camera lines.
 
jonikon said:
jonikon wrote:
jonikon said:
WaddleWaddle wrote:

Found on SAR:
Sonys future products: On the verge of a big change?
I am hearing Sony is about to decide to speed up the transition to a “full mirrorless roadmap“. In concrete this means that some of the cameras and lenses that have been planed for a 2013 release may will NOT introduced. And some that have been planed for a 2014 release may come earlier.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sonys-future-products-on-the-verge-of-a-big-change/
Click to expand...
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Based on what I have seen of the Sony corporate culture over the years, I feel that consolidation of their camera and lens lines to just NEX alone seems inevitable as a wise move from a business perspective. Sony has already suddenly abandoned the Minolta legacy flash shoe mount without warning, and replaced it with a totally new type shoe mount that is incompatible with existing Sony flash units without an adapter.

It now appears that Sony is about to shake off the last vestiges of the old Minolta legacy by abandoning the Minolta lens A mount as well, in favor of their own more video capable Sony designed NEX type lenses and using on sensor PDAF. Those that have the older Minolta A mount lenses will be forced to use an adapter, as they do now for NEX cameras.

In any case, it will be interesting to see, (for those on the sidelines and unaffected, at least), what Sony decides to do with their interchangeable lens camera lines.
 

EarthQuake said:
EarthQuake wrote:
EarthQuake said:
jonikon wrote:
EarthQuake said:
WaddleWaddle wrote:

Found on SAR:
Sonys future products: On the verge of a big change?
I am hearing Sony is about to decide to speed up the transition to a “full mirrorless roadmap“. In concrete this means that some of the cameras and lenses that have been planed for a 2013 release may will NOT introduced. And some that have been planed for a 2014 release may come earlier.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sonys-future-products-on-the-verge-of-a-big-change/
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Based on what I have seen of the Sony corporate culture over the years, I feel that consolidation of their camera and lens lines to just NEX alone seems inevitable as a wise move from a business perspective. Sony has already suddenly abandoned the Minolta legacy flash shoe mount without warning, and replaced it with a totally new type shoe mount that is incompatible with existing Sony flash units without an adapter.

It now appears that Sony is about to shake off the last vestiges of the old Minolta legacy by abandoning the Minolta lens A mount as well, in favor of their own more video capable Sony designed NEX type lenses and using on sensor PDAF. Those that have the older Minolta A mount lenses will be forced to use an adapter, as they do now for NEX cameras.

In any case, it will be interesting to see, (for those on the sidelines and unaffected, at least), what Sony decides to do with their interchangeable lens camera lines.
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Another crank looking to stir up trouble...
jonikon said:
jonikon wrote:

Based on what I have seen of the Sony corporate culture over the years, I feel that consolidation of their camera and lens lines to just NEX alone seems inevitable as a wise move from a business perspective.
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There's nothing that indicates this at all. Quite the opposite, as they're releasing new Alpha FF and APS cameras on a very regular basis now. There would be nothing 'wise' about rolling all development into the NEX line. They would lose a huge portion of their camera business.
jonikon said:
Sony has already suddenly abandoned the Minolta legacy flash shoe mount without warning, and replaced it with a totally new type shoe mount that is incompatible with existing Sony flash units without an adapter.
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Minolta and Sony shooters have needed an adapter to use ISO flash models for years. Moving to a standard ISO mount is not exactly like throwing Sony uses to the wolves or 'abandoning' anyone as Minolta/Sony flash users can use the adapter as you noted yourself.
jonikon said:
It now appears that Sony is about to shake off the last vestiges of the old Minolta legacy by abandoning the Minolta lens A mount as well, in favor of their own more video capable Sony designed NEX type lenses and using on sensor PDAF.
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Where did you get that? My SLT is Alpha and has PDAF.
jonikon said:
Those that have the older Minolta A mount lenses will be forced to use an adapter, as they do now for NEX cameras.
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Nonsense.
jonikon said:
In any case, it will be interesting to see, (for those on the sidelines and unaffected, at least), what Sony decides to do with their interchangeable lens camera lines.
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You mean amusing for Nikon fanboys.
 
did you compare the AF with A77, D4, or 1Dx? very bold statements about v1's af since the DOF is so wide it is much easier for things to be in focus.
 
HatWearingFool said:
HatWearingFool wrote:
HatWearingFool said:
jonikon wrote:
HatWearingFool said:
WaddleWaddle wrote:

Found on SAR:
Sonys future products: On the verge of a big change?
I am hearing Sony is about to decide to speed up the transition to a “full mirrorless roadmap“. In concrete this means that some of the cameras and lenses that have been planed for a 2013 release may will NOT introduced. And some that have been planed for a 2014 release may come earlier.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sonys-future-products-on-the-verge-of-a-big-change/
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Based on what I have seen of the Sony corporate culture over the years, I feel that consolidation of their camera and lens lines to just NEX alone seems inevitable as a wise move from a business perspective. Sony has already suddenly abandoned the Minolta legacy flash shoe mount without warning, and replaced it with a totally new type shoe mount that is incompatible with existing Sony flash units without an adapter.

It now appears that Sony is about to shake off the last vestiges of the old Minolta legacy by abandoning the Minolta lens A mount as well, in favor of their own more video capable Sony designed NEX type lenses and using on sensor PDAF. Those that have the older Minolta A mount lenses will be forced to use an adapter, as they do now for NEX cameras.

In any case, it will be interesting to see, (for those on the sidelines and unaffected, at least), what Sony decides to do with their interchangeable lens camera lines.
Click to expand...
 
jonikon said:
jonikon wrote:
jonikon said:
EarthQuake wrote:
jonikon said:
jonikon wrote:
jonikon said:
WaddleWaddle wrote:

Found on SAR:
Sonys future products: On the verge of a big change?
I am hearing Sony is about to decide to speed up the transition to a “full mirrorless roadmap“. In concrete this means that some of the cameras and lenses that have been planed for a 2013 release may will NOT introduced. And some that have been planed for a 2014 release may come earlier.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sonys-future-products-on-the-verge-of-a-big-change/
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Based on what I have seen of the Sony corporate culture over the years, I feel that consolidation of their camera and lens lines to just NEX alone seems inevitable as a wise move from a business perspective. Sony has already suddenly abandoned the Minolta legacy flash shoe mount without warning, and replaced it with a totally new type shoe mount that is incompatible with existing Sony flash units without an adapter.

It now appears that Sony is about to shake off the last vestiges of the old Minolta legacy by abandoning the Minolta lens A mount as well, in favor of their own more video capable Sony designed NEX type lenses and using on sensor PDAF. Those that have the older Minolta A mount lenses will be forced to use an adapter, as they do now for NEX cameras.

In any case, it will be interesting to see, (for those on the sidelines and unaffected, at least), what Sony decides to do with their interchangeable lens camera lines.
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Alphamale77 said:
Alphamale77 wrote:

did you compare the AF with A77, D4, or 1Dx? very bold statements about v1's af since the DOF is so wide it is much easier for things to be in focus.
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I have shot with some pro level FF DSLRs, but I feel their lens mass puts them at a disadvantage for lens focus speed compared to the diminutive Nikon 1 lenses.

Evidently you think a 1" sensor does not need accurate focus due to the increased DOF, but you are mistaken. Correct focus is obvious even with the 1" sensor of the Nikon V1, as these V1 JPEG examples demonstrate. (Click gallery for large images).




Nikon V1 f2.8 10mm


Nikon V1, f4.1, 51mm


- Jon
 
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jonikon said:
jonikon wrote:
jonikon said:
Alphamale77 wrote:

did you compare the AF with A77, D4, or 1Dx? very bold statements about v1's af since the DOF is so wide it is much easier for things to be in focus.
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I have shot with some pro level FF DSLRs, but I feel their lens mass puts them at a disadvantage for lens focus speed compared to the diminutive Nikon 1 lenses.

Evidently you think a 1" sensor does not need accurate focus due to the increased DOF, but you are mistaken. Correct focus is obvious even with the 1" sensor of the Nikon V1, as these V1 JPEG examples demonstrate. (Click gallery for large images).




Nikon V1 f2.8 10mm


Nikon V1, f4.1, 51mm


- Jon
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Critical focus is much, much, MUCH more forgiving as evident in these images. The cat is essentially completely on focus. With a fast lens on a FF DSLR the focal plane is just a few MM thick from this distance.

I haven't used the V system extensively so I don't have any opinion on how good/bad the PDAF is on those cameras, but comparing systems with massively different DOF isn't really going to tell anyone anything.
 
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jonikon said:
jonikon wrote:
jonikon said:
Alphamale77 wrote:

did you compare the AF with A77, D4, or 1Dx? very bold statements about v1's af since the DOF is so wide it is much easier for things to be in focus.
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I have shot with some pro level FF DSLRs, but I feel their lens mass puts them at a disadvantage for lens focus speed compared to the diminutive Nikon 1 lenses.

Evidently you think a 1" sensor does not need accurate focus due to the increased DOF, but you are mistaken. Correct focus is obvious even with the 1" sensor of the Nikon V1, as these V1 JPEG examples demonstrate. (Click gallery for large images).




Nikon V1 f2.8 10mm


Nikon V1, f4.1, 51mm


- Jon
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Heres the math too, just to further explain what I'm talking about

51mm (135mm equiv) F4.1 @ 10 feet (V1)
Total 1.02 ft

135mm F1.8 @ 10 feet (A900)
Total 0.17 ft

F4
Total 0.38 ft

F11
Total 1.09 ft

I don't have any FF/BF issues when I shoot at F11 either. :-)
 
EarthQuake said:
EarthQuake wrote:
EarthQuake said:
jonikon wrote:
EarthQuake said:
Alphamale77 wrote:

did you compare the AF with A77, D4, or 1Dx? very bold statements about v1's af since the DOF is so wide it is much easier for things to be in focus.
Click to expand...
I have shot with some pro level FF DSLRs, but I feel their lens mass puts them at a disadvantage for lens focus speed compared to the diminutive Nikon 1 lenses.

Evidently you think a 1" sensor does not need accurate focus due to the increased DOF, but you are mistaken. Correct focus is obvious even with the 1" sensor of the Nikon V1, as these V1 JPEG examples demonstrate. (Click gallery for large images).




Nikon V1 f2.8 10mm


Nikon V1, f4.1, 51mm


- Jon
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Critical focus is much, much, MUCH more forgiving as evident in these images. The cat is essentially completely on focus. With a fast lens on a FF DSLR the focal plane is just a few MM thick from this distance.

I haven't used the V system extensively so I don't have any opinion on how good/bad the PDAF is on those cameras, but comparing systems with massively different DOF isn't really going to tell anyone anything.
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When Nikon comes out with their f/0.7 lens in a CX mount, I will post another photo! :-)

nikonrumors.com

New patent indicates the possibility of a Nikon 1 mirrorless lens with f/0.7 aperture - Nikon Rumors

A new Nikon patent (201298706) filed in Japan indicates the possibility to produce Nikon 1 mirrorless lens with f/0.7 aperture. Nikon was able to achieve f/0.7 by optimizing the aperture diameter, the flange back length and image circle. One of the given examples in this patent was for a 32mm...
nikonrumors.com nikonrumors.com


- Jon
 
+1

to Jonikon

I'm saying wide DOF makes it a lot easier to get critical focus, try focus with 85mm at 1.4 with FF camera and you can tell the difference.

The large size of the lens is due to the focus motor built inside, to provide faster af.

I don't know with Pro level you've compared before, but i've played with 1dx and it focuses lightening fast i have yet to see anything in comparison. I would be surprised if the V1 can focus as fast as a77 in daylight, if so, good for nikon. I understand V1 might been a good system for you, just try to stick with the facts...
 
jonikon said:
jonikon wrote:
jonikon said:
EarthQuake wrote:
jonikon said:
jonikon wrote:
jonikon said:
Alphamale77 wrote:

did you compare the AF with A77, D4, or 1Dx? very bold statements about v1's af since the DOF is so wide it is much easier for things to be in focus.
Click to expand...
I have shot with some pro level FF DSLRs, but I feel their lens mass puts them at a disadvantage for lens focus speed compared to the diminutive Nikon 1 lenses.

Evidently you think a 1" sensor does not need accurate focus due to the increased DOF, but you are mistaken. Correct focus is obvious even with the 1" sensor of the Nikon V1, as these V1 JPEG examples demonstrate. (Click gallery for large images).




Nikon V1 f2.8 10mm


Nikon V1, f4.1, 51mm


- Jon
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Critical focus is much, much, MUCH more forgiving as evident in these images. The cat is essentially completely on focus. With a fast lens on a FF DSLR the focal plane is just a few MM thick from this distance.

I haven't used the V system extensively so I don't have any opinion on how good/bad the PDAF is on those cameras, but comparing systems with massively different DOF isn't really going to tell anyone anything.
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When Nikon comes out with their f/0.7 lens in a CX mount, I will post another photo! :-)

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/05/29/n...on-1-mirrorless-lens-with-f0-7-aperture.aspx/


- Jon
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I certainly hope they do, its about time some of these smaller sensor systems get some sub-F1 AF lenses.
 
jonikon said:
jonikon wrote:

Based on what I have seen of the Sony corporate culture over the years, I feel that consolidation of their camera and lens lines to just NEX alone seems inevitable as a wise move from a business perspective. Sony has already suddenly abandoned the Minolta legacy flash shoe mount without warning, and replaced it with a totally new type shoe mount that is incompatible with existing Sony flash units without an adapter.

It now appears that Sony is about to shake off the last vestiges of the old Minolta legacy by abandoning the Minolta lens A mount as well, in favor of their own more video capable Sony designed NEX type lenses and using on sensor PDAF. Those that have the older Minolta A mount lenses will be forced to use an adapter, as they do now for NEX cameras.

In any case, it will be interesting to see, (for those on the sidelines and unaffected, at least), what Sony decides to do with their interchangeable lens camera lines.
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jonikon said:
jonikon wrote:
jonikon said:
HatWearingFool wrote:
jonikon said:
jonikon wrote:
jonikon said:
WaddleWaddle wrote:

Found on SAR:
Sonys future products: On the verge of a big change?
I am hearing Sony is about to decide to speed up the transition to a “full mirrorless roadmap“. In concrete this means that some of the cameras and lenses that have been planed for a 2013 release may will NOT introduced. And some that have been planed for a 2014 release may come earlier.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sonys-future-products-on-the-verge-of-a-big-change/
Click to expand...
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Based on what I have seen of the Sony corporate culture over the years, I feel that consolidation of their camera and lens lines to just NEX alone seems inevitable as a wise move from a business perspective. Sony has already suddenly abandoned the Minolta legacy flash shoe mount without warning, and replaced it with a totally new type shoe mount that is incompatible with existing Sony flash units without an adapter.

It now appears that Sony is about to shake off the last vestiges of the old Minolta legacy by abandoning the Minolta lens A mount as well, in favor of their own more video capable Sony designed NEX type lenses and using on sensor PDAF. Those that have the older Minolta A mount lenses will be forced to use an adapter, as they do now for NEX cameras.

In any case, it will be interesting to see, (for those on the sidelines and unaffected, at least), what Sony decides to do with their interchangeable lens camera lines.
Click to expand...
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jonikon said:
jonikon wrote:
jonikon said:
WaddleWaddle wrote:

Found on SAR:
Sonys future products: On the verge of a big change?
I am hearing Sony is about to decide to speed up the transition to a “full mirrorless roadmap“. In concrete this means that some of the cameras and lenses that have been planed for a 2013 release may will NOT introduced. And some that have been planed for a 2014 release may come earlier.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sonys-future-products-on-the-verge-of-a-big-change/
Click to expand...
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Based on what I have seen of the Sony corporate culture over the years, I feel that consolidation of their camera and lens lines to just NEX alone seems inevitable as a wise move from a business perspective. Sony has already suddenly abandoned the Minolta legacy flash shoe mount without warning, and replaced it with a totally new type shoe mount that is incompatible with existing Sony flash units without an adapter.

It now appears that Sony is about to shake off the last vestiges of the old Minolta legacy by abandoning the Minolta lens A mount as well, in favor of their own more video capable Sony designed NEX type lenses and using on sensor PDAF. Those that have the older Minolta A mount lenses will be forced to use an adapter, as they do now for NEX cameras.

In any case, it will be interesting to see, (for those on the sidelines and unaffected, at least), what Sony decides to do with their interchangeable lens camera lines.
 
HatWearingFool said:
HatWearingFool wrote:
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I expect the same will happen to cameras. Many professionals need the versitility provided by DSLR/SLT cameras, but the masses will be happy with the smaller mirrorless cameras.
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I totally agree with your opinion that the masses will go mirroless, if not for the size factor alone. A Nikon V1 kit consisting of the camera plus three lenses and a flash unit fits in a bag no bigger than 8 x 6.5 x 4 inches. That is very attractive size for those wanting a smaller alternative to a APS-C DSLR with a comparable lens kit.

- Jon
 
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