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Again D600 price drop in Europe. Why?
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inasir1971
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FedEx the boxes (empty) to yourself and declare value at $5 which is accurate. Problem solved.
I suspect it was priced high to begin with to throttle initial demand and give more flexibility in pricing
It is a lot easier to lower the price than raise it.
Yes, it was priced too high ( $2,096.00 US ) to begin with ... and also supplies are more than demand . Now the Nikon dealer who sells than at $1.995.00 or lower in the US.
The D800 still keep the same price of $2,900.00 US. It is a well made camera.
The D600 is a great camera but it looks cheap. The fair market price it should be around $1,600.00 US
Good point.
Leif Goodwin
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Canon used to do this and now Nikon have copied them, in the UK anyway. It is to milk early adopters, the 'I must have that' crowd, and as long as supply is tight it is a win win for Nikon i.e. they sell as many as they make and they make big profits. However, I think it dropped in price so dramatically because the D800 had satiated a lot of the potential demand, and not many people would pay almost as much for the D600 as the D800. As to how low the D600 price can go, we shall see. I suspect it has bottomed out, but time will tell.
gl2k
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Started at €2800 and is now at €2300. Still falling ...
At its initial price the D600 would sit in the shelf forever.
At its initial price the D600 would sit in the shelf forever.
really? For Canon users the D600 already seemed dirt cheap at its initial price, just imagine how it looks now ... Canon 6D is worse on almost every spec, and it is 300-400 euros more expensive at the cheapest outlets (and starts selling next week probably). Add the Canon 'kit zoom' and it is nearly double the price of the Nikon FF combo ;-(
Nikon can grab a lot of market share from potential Canon APS-C to FF upgraders, unless Canon starts aggressively discounting the 6D.
Theodoros Fotometria
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I think that its quite evident from the D700/D300 days for an FX camera to cost around 50% higher than its DX counterpart on which it was based... Baring this in mind it is safe to conclude that D600 is still overpriced... I don't imply that the price should be 50% higher than what a D7K costs today, but rather 50% higher than D7K's intro price...
The thing is, that when D7K was introduced, it immediately cannibalized D300 sales (which had already been affected by the D90), ...hence, some "golden boys" of marketing in Nikon had the idea that if price was near to the D800, 1. People wouldn't mind the extra cost because it would make FF more accessible anyway, 2. D800 would have been protected from being cannibalized as D300 was...
Although they correctly judged that two FF products should be marketed one relative to the other, they foolishly ignored that: A. The products offer similar IQ (d600 & plain d800), B. That some of the market (especially those that have/need 2 bodys or more of "pro quality") is complaning about both D800s baring large files and both d800s being slow... If they would have only the D800E and the D800plain would bare D4's sensor in the first place, the problem would have never existed and pricing of D600 could have been the right one in the first place!
Now, they are in the stupid situation: 1. To have internal competition between their own D800s and having internal competition between D600 and D800plain, 2. Not to have replaced D700 which still has a lot of fans, exactly because of its small files and speed... thus throwing some of their market out of the window!!!
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The thing is, that when D7K was introduced, it immediately cannibalized D300 sales (which had already been affected by the D90), ...hence, some "golden boys" of marketing in Nikon had the idea that if price was near to the D800, 1. People wouldn't mind the extra cost because it would make FF more accessible anyway, 2. D800 would have been protected from being cannibalized as D300 was...
Although they correctly judged that two FF products should be marketed one relative to the other, they foolishly ignored that: A. The products offer similar IQ (d600 & plain d800), B. That some of the market (especially those that have/need 2 bodys or more of "pro quality") is complaning about both D800s baring large files and both d800s being slow... If they would have only the D800E and the D800plain would bare D4's sensor in the first place, the problem would have never existed and pricing of D600 could have been the right one in the first place!
Now, they are in the stupid situation: 1. To have internal competition between their own D800s and having internal competition between D600 and D800plain, 2. Not to have replaced D700 which still has a lot of fans, exactly because of its small files and speed... thus throwing some of their market out of the window!!!
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M Lammerse
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When the D600 arrived in Netherlands a camera dealer explained that the price would drop down significantly due to competition the coming months and that it would make a wider gap with the D800.
So a combination of factors, keep in mind there will be done some new model placement beginning of next year.
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Leonard Shepherd
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Specifically UK either the USA launch price at $2,000 was to low or the UK launch price (excluding VAT) of around £1,700 (about $2,700 $) was much too high.
It seems UK prices are now about $2000 equivalent.
Also over recent months the value of the £ has improved enough against the yen for many Nikon product prices to come down by about 5%.
It seems UK prices are now about $2000 equivalent.
Also over recent months the value of the £ has improved enough against the yen for many Nikon product prices to come down by about 5%.
Live view is crippled on the d600, just like on the many asp-c Nikons, to cripple a full frame camera was always going to stretch the consumer tolerance in Nikon's marketing and model tiering strategies, hence the rapid price drop.
With smaller sensor dslrs, many users buy them and then leave them in the home cupboard as they find them difficult to use without useful live view, a feature well refined in bridge cameras.
Enthusiasts, the target d600 market, are likely to be much more discerning when buying into a full frame system, $2000 for a crippled camera body is unlikely to cut it in that market no matter how good the sensor. Professionals would spot the shortfall instantly, they are meant too as Nikon targets the d4 and d800 at them.
Though reviewers make light of Nikon asp-c dslrs being live view crippled, this is the first time that a full frame camera has suffered the humiliation of being purposely down spec'd at release. This may also explain why there are no comments allowed on the dpreview's Nikon d600 review.
With smaller sensor dslrs, many users buy them and then leave them in the home cupboard as they find them difficult to use without useful live view, a feature well refined in bridge cameras.
Enthusiasts, the target d600 market, are likely to be much more discerning when buying into a full frame system, $2000 for a crippled camera body is unlikely to cut it in that market no matter how good the sensor. Professionals would spot the shortfall instantly, they are meant too as Nikon targets the d4 and d800 at them.
Though reviewers make light of Nikon asp-c dslrs being live view crippled, this is the first time that a full frame camera has suffered the humiliation of being purposely down spec'd at release. This may also explain why there are no comments allowed on the dpreview's Nikon d600 review.
Theodoros Fotometria
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There is nothing "crippled" in LV from a D600... the HDMI video output is crippled (not what the card records) and this doesn't happen with any other camera in the Nikon line... You seem to have confused the (aimed) reduction in image area that happens with many products when they record video for sampling reasons, ...with D600's "crippled" 1920x1080 recording out of its HDMI output, in which some of the recorded 1920x1080 info appears (and is) ..dark frame. This is different to the reduction of frame which is intentional (and correct) for sampling reasons and it's going to be fixed soon... (for all owners - the early consumers inc.).
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Theodoros Fotometria
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Crippled from what? It was never there as a function... This is specification, not "crippling"... just like another product may have or not HDMI video output, or a projector bearing one, rather than more HDMI inputs. Consumer needs is different from "crippling", no product applies to all customers, there are people that don't use manual aperture when "filming" or when in LV... It's up to Nikon to specify (and serve) a target group... no? If you or me or any customer is not satisfied from a product's specs, he looks to find an alternative that serves him best.
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rhlpetrus
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Most likely reason, Nikon has already sold a lot at full price, now it's time to force Canon drop 6D's price and loose a lot of the margins they wished to make or sell it in lower numbers. Basic aggressive competition market economics. Nikon did that with the D800 for a while, but not with such an advantage in schedule as with the D600.
sandy b
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They are going to put HUGE pressure on canons 6D pricing, effectivly robbing canon of what Nikon had, a few month of brisk sales at full price. I hate to say it, but nikon owns canon on this latest release.
To make light of such crippling in a full frame camera you do yourself and others a great disservice.
To set the D600 aperture, enter live view, then have to exit and enter again each time the aperture is reset before a shot is not what most would expect from a $2000+ full frame camera body.
This is certainly something new to current Nikon full frame bodies - such crippling is not mentioned in the promotion material or the manuals. Doubtless there will be those who after purchasing the camera will in time be in for an very unpleasant surprise, focus often lost due to the entering and exiting live view just to change the aperture will likely render that same live view mostly useless.
Forums and reviews from places such as this are the only chance would be camera system investors are afforded the chance to glean such important insights - your take on the matter does little to ensure that.
As a long time Nikon DSLR system investor, this crippling of models is something to be very mindful of, no matter the brand loyalty.
If after realizing the inbuilt limitations of the d600 a potential purchaser still decides its the camera for them, good stuff, at least they go into the investment with eyes open and are doubtless enough convinced of the other benefits afforded by the camera system.
Your stance does nothing to help these people and is likely to foster some degree of regretted investment.
Competition is good, and Nikon is putting up a terrific fight, providing cameras that beat Canon on almost any spec AND on price. Canon needs to wake up and smell the coffee, the 6D is WAY overpriced.
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