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HAS DPREVIEW CANCELLED THE REVIEW OF THE CANON 1DX?

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John_A_G said:
John_A_G wrote:

Dennis:

I understand not everyone that buys a 1dx is a professional photographer. But, I'll ask the same question: who is wanting to buy a 1dx but waiting on DPR before deciding to do so? You said yourself, the market is small of such people. DPRs resources are better spent reviewing cameras that meet a larger audience of potential buyers. I accept there are some people who have little clue what they're doing but enough cash to buy a 1dx. Let's forget about those for a second. Let's discuss the serious enthusiast who really knows what they're doing. There are studio pros, sports pros and serious enthusiasts using the 1dx that have real world feedback. That real world feedback is worth 100 reviews with sample shots of mock set-ups.

But, let's give DPR the benefit of the doubt and say they do these reviews to help potential buyers make a decision and not just to satisfy intellectual curiosity. So, are you waiting to buy a 1dx based upon DPRs review?
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You're right. However, as with car magazine readers who like to read about Astons and Ferraris even though they might only ever get to drive a Ford (no disrespect to Ford), there are people who like to read about cameras like a 1DX. I suppose it could help them in their choice of a system but whether it's really worthwhile DPR testing these products, other than as a benchmark perhaps, is debatable.
 
Gmshots said:
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TareqPhoto wrote:

Today i will test my 1DX in the sports [soccer] for first time, i don't know what i should test, but i will try to enjoy shooting with 1DX, later another time or days i can test this camera slowly in depth if i know how, i can send all files you need if possible, but as some above said, what else i have to wait DPR to test this camera for me other than on another sites?
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Yet to test 1dx in sports as my prime area is stage n drama. In stage n drama, the lighting is usually bad while the subjects wear contrastless clothes..here, the 1dx shines and is even better than 1dmkiv in locking on and following the subject. In 1dmkiv, the highest ISO used was 6400, where the image equivalent on the 1dx is 12800.

In the 1dmkiv, where you tend to shot many shots hoping you will get a few good ones, it's the opposite in the 1dx.

you'll love this cam and it's the best canon thus far.

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Back!

So true, i did shoot with 1DX paired it with 300mm 2.8IS mk1 and i had the back 1D3 + 70-200 2.8 mk2, i did shoot with 1D3 for maybe about 5-10 minutes then never touched it again, the 1DX was a work HORSE that blown away my mind, i think even if i don't want to focus the camera do focus by itself, WOW, huge difference than my 1D3, i didn't use or test 1DIV so i can't tell how much is the difference.
 
jhal said:
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jhal said:
Richard wrote:
jhal said:
jhal wrote:

"""As regards to timely reviews, I stated in the post above why the 1DX hasn't had that much attention. It's also dependent on when (if) Canon or Nikon send DPR a finished-production sample"""

are you kidding me? DP Review is waiting for Canon/Nikon to send them a body to test?? There are loads there to rent and review
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So why don't you spend the money yourself to rent one for a month and send it to DPReview so they can test it. Since it takes so long to do a good test better make that 2 months. That would only be 3492 dollars out of pocket from lensrentals.com. Thats nothing you should be able to afford that and then send the camera to DPReview, I am sure the test will get done sooner that way.
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DRreview was bought by Amazon. You are now telling me that they are sort of 3.5 K to rent and test the camera (s)? Or if they'd ask Canon/Nikon to borrow one they'd refuse them?

Get real!!!!
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You know nothing of business, Dpreview is not Amazon, it is its own separate entity with its own budget. The reality is if you really want that review to come out faster, send them the money to rent the camera.. Oh but wait, you will never get that money back, well neither will they. They are at the mercy of Canon. The seem to review the lower priced cameras pretty well whether they get the camera from Canon or rent/buy it themselves, they still have a budget and they are at mercy of Canon.
 
I'm sorry but this is a ridiculous excuse. There are advertisements everywhere all over this website. That is where the money comes from for DPReview. One hour of front page views and clicks on this site is more than enough to pay for rental of a 1DX for a few days. In addition, DPReview has published articles written by Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com. Are you saying they couldn't work out some deal if they wanted to do it?

How about Imaging Resource? They are much smaller than DPReview, with a much smaller budget, and yet somehow through the magic of just wanting to do a good job they managed to get a 1DX long enough to post a good set studio samples, test images and a few real world images.

This making excuses for DPReview has gotten old. Face it, DPReview are apparently just not going to review cameras that they don't want to review, whatever the reasons are. Since they won't communicate a word about it, we are left to draw our own conclusions about why they won't.

The cost to rent a 1DX from lensrentals.com for 5 days is $291.75... 5 days is PLENTY of time to take a set of studio samples, some real world images and a get the information for a First Impressions review. You have got to be nuts if you think DPReview cannot afford $291.75

BTW, Consumer reports actually purchases the cars they review. No one has ask DPreview to purchase a 1DX. But for goodness sake at least rent one for a few days so you can at least post up some studio samples and real world samples of record.
Richard said:
Richard wrote:

You know nothing of business, Dpreview is not Amazon, it is its own separate entity with its own budget. The reality is if you really want that review to come out faster, send them the money to rent the camera.. Oh but wait, you will never get that money back, well neither will they. They are at the mercy of Canon. The seem to review the lower priced cameras pretty well whether they get the camera from Canon or rent/buy it themselves, they still have a budget and they are at mercy of Canon.
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My prediction is that D4 first follow by 1DX. Both will receive exact the same score 91% - Gold Award, the highest score ever in DPR history :-)
 
DigiMatt said:
DigiMatt wrote:

I'm sorry but this is a ridiculous excuse. There are advertisements everywhere all over this website. That is where the money comes from for DPReview. One hour of front page views and clicks on this site is more than enough to pay for rental of a 1DX for a few days. In addition, DPReview has published articles written by Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com. Are you saying they couldn't work out some deal if they wanted to do it?

How about Imaging Resource? They are much smaller than DPReview, with a much smaller budget, and yet somehow through the magic of just wanting to do a good job they managed to get a 1DX long enough to post a good set studio samples, test images and a few real world images.

This making excuses for DPReview has gotten old. Face it, DPReview are apparently just not going to review cameras that they don't want to review, whatever the reasons are. Since they won't communicate a word about it, we are left to draw our own conclusions about why they won't.

The cost to rent a 1DX from lensrentals.com for 5 days is $291.75... 5 days is PLENTY of time to take a set of studio samples, some real world images and a get the information for a First Impressions review. You have got to be nuts if you think DPReview cannot afford $291.75

BTW, Consumer reports actually purchases the cars they review. No one has ask DPreview to purchase a 1DX. But for goodness sake at least rent one for a few days so you can at least post up some studio samples and real world samples of record.
DigiMatt said:
Richard wrote:

You know nothing of business, Dpreview is not Amazon, it is its own separate entity with its own budget. The reality is if you really want that review to come out faster, send them the money to rent the camera.. Oh but wait, you will never get that money back, well neither will they. They are at the mercy of Canon. The seem to review the lower priced cameras pretty well whether they get the camera from Canon or rent/buy it themselves, they still have a budget and they are at mercy of Canon.
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I wasn't even bothered to answer "Richard". You did; thank you.

It's clear that he knows nothing!
 
ok55 said:
ok55 wrote:

Whatever happened to the review of the Canon 1DX by DPReview...? Has DPReview cancelled it...?Did Canon ban it...?

Brgds
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It looks like the reasons are the same as their lack of lens reviews - lots of fanfare, a "Cool Tool" but no follow up. This is what is known as "slack". They are very quick with the excuses and justifications though... just don't hold your breath!
 
I have to agree that the slow pace of following the latest equipment has been quite noticeable recently.. As a result I tend to look elsewhere first. Not good for readership going forward.
 
Chris59 said:
Chris59 wrote:

It looks like the reasons are the same as their lack of lens reviews - lots of fanfare, a "Cool Tool" but no follow up. This is what is known as "slack". They are very quick with the excuses and justifications though... just don't hold your breath!
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Or, let's look at it from a business standpoint. Let's say I have man-months worth of labor resources. And, let's say I have 10 man-months worth of potential reviews.

That is what professionals like to call a "resource constraint". Given that, like most businesses, they probably don't have ability to bring on more qualified resources (after all the price of this site to us is still zero dollars) they have do something professionals like to call "prioritization". So, how to prioritize those reviews?

Option A: Flagship canon professional DSLR first - even though the professionals don't care about the review - the only ones clamoring for it are those with simple curiosity or brand fanatics that are desperate to prove their flagship model is better than the the competition's.

Option B: Review products the readership of the forum is actually considering buying but needs help with. Like digicams, entry level DSLRs and even some mid-level ones. Recognizing that while not providing as much in the way of bragging rights, these reviews provide more overall benefit to potential buyers.

Understand a vast number of people looking at reviews aren't the measurebating pixel-peepers who post on the forums.

So, from the outside, it may look like "slacking" to someone not getting what they want but I'm guessing it has much more to do with determining which projects have priority given a limited resource pool.

That's just my take. I'm a Canon owner, but I really don't see why a 1dx review would be a priority over any other camera. I look at the review list over the last 3 months and I can absolutely see a much larger potential market in need of a good review for those cameras than for the 1dx (or D4). The pros those cameras are aimed at have made their choices and don't need the DPR staff to help them out.
 
Oops, sorry...a bit old school and used to writing headings in capital letters...!



Hadn't noticed the D4 review wasn't out yet. I suppose it's possible they're more concerned with the high volume stuff but it would be a serious omission if they failed to test the definitive sports cameras of this generation.

Looking at picking up a 1DX this Dec. Must be honest though, I've got too many Canon lenses to consider the D4.



Brgds
 
ok55 said:
ok55 wrote:
I suppose it's possible they're more concerned with the high volume stuff but it would be a serious omission if they failed to test the definitive sports cameras of this generation.
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So, from your perspective it is essential that DPR post a review of PROFESSIONAL sports cameras? Tell me, who on the DPR review staff is a PROFESSIONAL SPORTS photographer? I don't recall them having one doing reviews. Which is also one of my biggest issues with DPR performing reviews of professional grade sports cameras. What is it that you expect to learn about a professional sports camera from photographers that don't shoot sports professionally vs. the feedback on forums from actual pros using these cameras in the field?
 
DigiMatt said:
DigiMatt wrote:

I'm sorry but this is a ridiculous excuse. There are advertisements everywhere all over this website. That is where the money comes from for DPReview. One hour of front page views and clicks on this site is more than enough to pay for rental of a 1DX for a few days. In addition, DPReview has published articles written by Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com. Are you saying they couldn't work out some deal if they wanted to do it?
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Look, the internal working of Dpreview is all speculation by us. Why would they work out some deal if Canon doesn't send them a camera. The adds on this site cover the web space, maint, and the salary of employees.
DigiMatt said:
How about Imaging Resource? They are much smaller than DPReview, with a much smaller budget, and yet somehow through the magic of just wanting to do a good job they managed to get a 1DX long enough to post a good set studio samples, test images and a few real world images.
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Maybe they have a contact to a retail store. I don't know the internal workings for the.

All I know is it would be stupid not to do a test if Canon sent them a camera. Since there is no test but tests on other Canon cameras, it is not an unreasonable assumption to assume Canon is not sending them the camera.
DigiMatt said:
This making excuses for DPReview has gotten old. Face it, DPReview are apparently just not going to review cameras that they don't want to review, whatever the reasons are. Since they won't communicate a word about it, we are left to draw our own conclusions about why they won't.
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The fact they do reviews on other Canon cameras tells me it is not because they don't want to do the review. So there is some other reason, my attitude is a big site like this, if Canon won't send them a camera don't review on their own dime. Very few people buy those cameras from this website in comparison to the other models so if you have to pay out of pocket, pay for the other models and forget the highend stuff and just review Nikon because they send a camera to be reviewed.
 
Look at the history. And they make up a very small percentage of DSLR sales. If this case, I would bet that that they will be presented together, (D4). And we have no I dea when canon actually got them a DSLR. I think they will be out in December.
 
ok55 said:
ok55 wrote:

Oops, sorry...a bit old school and used to writing headings in capital letters...!

Hadn't noticed the D4 review wasn't out yet. I suppose it's possible they're more concerned with the high volume stuff but it would be a serious omission if they failed to test the definitive sports cameras of this generation.
Looking at picking up a 1DX this Dec. Must be honest though, I've got too many Canon lenses to consider the D4.

Brgds
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Why even consider D4 especially you already have many Canon L glass? D4 is $800 cheaper however.

http://xerodigital.ca/canon-1dx-nikon-d4-compare-wedding-photographers/

Just one review that I know it's subjective.
 
John_A_G said:
John_A_G wrote:

Dennis:

I understand not everyone that buys a 1dx is a professional photographer. But, I'll ask the same question: who is wanting to buy a 1dx but waiting on DPR before deciding to do so? You said yourself, the market is small of such people. DPRs resources are better spent reviewing cameras that meet a larger audience of potential buyers. I accept there are some people who have little clue what they're doing but enough cash to buy a 1dx. Let's forget about those for a second. Let's discuss the serious enthusiast who really knows what they're doing. There are studio pros, sports pros and serious enthusiasts using the 1dx that have real world feedback. That real world feedback is worth 100 reviews with sample shots of mock set-ups.

But, let's give DPR the benefit of the doubt and say they do these reviews to help potential buyers make a decision and not just to satisfy intellectual curiosity. So, are you waiting to buy a 1dx based upon DPRs review?
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I was, but did anyway. The 1D-X has two weaknesses that would have prevented some from buying before the firmware upgrade, and still might after it. The improvements brought by the upgrade are a plus, and will satisfy some but not all. So a thorough review can be a big help revealing the strengths and weaknesses of the beast (which is pretty darn good!).

Some pros that bought it with blind faith were disappointed. Feedback from users is invaluable, but does not replace a comprehensive review.

DPReview usually does review all Canon's DSLRs, one exception being the short-lived 1D Mark III, so I expect they'll get round to the 1D-X, but it will be a lot of expert work.
 
qianp2k said:
qianp2k wrote:

My prediction is that D4 first follow by 1DX. Both will receive exact the same score 91% - Gold Award, the highest score ever in DPR history :-)
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It's a review site. DP"Review." There business model has been based on reviewing what is out there. Depending on a manufacturer to send them a camera to review is not in line with that model especially when one can rent a camera to get such a review.




You would think that a flagship camera would generate some interest from a business that has made it's claim to fame reviewing cameras.




After that the speculation begins. Is Canon hiding something? Is DP Review Hiding something?




The argument that DPreview cannot afford to rent a camera is gross fantasy.
 
There are many reasons to read a review that fall out side of your parameters.

It's just about sharing information. Why we share it is varied. But then, as we can see, the responses vary just as much.





As a newsworthy viewpoint, one would have to agree that NOT reviewing a camera of this status (when others in this genre are) is interesting of itself.
 
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