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My feelings exactly!
Bob Kerkenberg said:
There but for the grace of God go I!

Whatever caused her current circumstances, be it alcohol, mental
disorder, drugs, whatever - we are all lucky to have escaped so
dire a predicament. I'm not saying she doesn't bear responsibility
for her circumstances or that our efforts to help wouldn't actually
worsen the problem which I believe. I am saying that we've all
been awfully lucky in the genetic lottery.
mini-me said:
I paid her to strike a pose. I gave her $3.00 + a bottle of water
she requested. Her feet were rotting and she smelled bad.

She was very friendly and told me her hair was a mess.
I told her she looked great. Then I snapped 3 pics of her.

Mini
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'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men
to do nothing.' Edmund Burke

A rose by any other name still smells as sweet.
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Rich in SLC
 
mini-me said:
As Bananna stated "tasteless Joke".

This is not what I had in mind. Maybe I stated the circumstances
improperly or incorrectly. I stated what I was seeing as I spent
the 120 seconds standing next to her.

How I came to shoot her is as follows. I was buying something at
the store. She was walking by on the street as I was pulling out of
the market. I was amazed first by her makeup. It was colorful like
a spring flower. I though of taking her picture. I thought "no" it
wouldnt be right.

I did not have my camera with me, it was at home. I drove home and
thoughts of her kept popping into my head.

I wanted to take her picture. But I felt it was wrong. Like I was
taking advantage of a fellow human down on her luck. I got my
camera and drove back to where she had been. She was further down
the street. I drove by several times pondering taking her picture.
I checked my wallet, only 3 dollars. Would she be insulted by the
low amount?

Why did I decided to go ahead? I am a fellow alcoholic with 12.5
years of sobriety. I see wet drunks all the time in meetings. I see
people come and go. Of the 10-30,000 people I have met in AA since
I got sober only a handful remain. Where do they all go? I thought
maybe she is one of the commers and goers. I thought that I should
capture her picture.

I stopped and walked up to her to ask her permission to photo her.
She said OK and that she would pay me for the pictures. I was
puzzled but walked back to my Truck for my gear.

She asked for some water as I walked backed. I got her a new bottle
of Dasani. I then went back and got the last 3 dollars I had and
gave it to her. Thanking her for her time. I took the photos and on
the way home thought of buying her a bag of food.

I was late for another engagement and deadfully didnt get to see
her again.

I hope this gives more insight into my motivation.

Mini..

PS this was not meant to be a joke. I stated what I saw as I
snapped the picture to give it intensity.
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Bob Poole
 
billtoo -

Are you trying to say that heretofore this forum was elitist, but is now more populist? Photography is what it's supposed to be about.
billtoo said:
Now that I've set you straight =)) let me say 'tis good to see a
post from you. Haven't seen any in a while but then the character
of this forum seems to have changed - most likely a reflection of
the dramatic price reduction in Canon's entry level prosumer
digital offering.

billtoo
Steadman Uhlich said:
Hello,

I find this picture very engaging. The smile is bright and full
and genuine looking. The eyes have sparkle.

The pose and the wardrobe (what she is wearing) tell us a story.
Her feet must pain her yet she smiles.

She is wearing a nice outfit with a necklace...she looks likes she
does care about her appearance and her sense of dignity. She is
erect and standing tall (not hunched in a corner). She has
confidence it appears.

And, even her feet are in a classic "ballet" position for balance
and poise.

Overall, I think she is an excellent portrait subject and I do like
this pic. The subject (the woman) in this case is what makes this
an interesting photo and something more than a snapshot.

What I don't like is the insensitive comments and mocking that some
of the forum members here show in their comments. Their comments
tell us all something about how they see people, how they consider
others less fortunate than themselves, and something about their
own hearts.

Occasionally, some people ask me why I don't post some of my own
pics on a forum like this. Frankly, it is because I don't want to
subject my own clients/subjects to the same juvenile commentary
that some make about women (or any type of person they don't like).

TO the photographer: I think you have a responsibility for the use
of this photo. When it becomes a subject of mockery and comments
in poor taste, I believe you should "pull it" or delete it. How
would you feel if your own mother's photo received such poor
comments? Surely you respect your subjects enough to not make them
a laughing stock?

Sincerely,
Steadman
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billtoo
http://www.pbase.com/billtoo
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Rich in SLC
 
Shame on your government for spending billions of dollar on defence and dirty wars while letting people like this lady live on the streets with only their clothes to own. Here in Belgium she'd be enjoying a small pension that would allow her to survive and rent a little place to live.

While you are looking down on "old Europe", we don't see that kind of things here in the streets of Belgium.

Sometimes I admire your country, sometimes I realise it is not performing better than a third-world country.

Your high per-capita income is only because of the large companies you have, isn't it?

Do you really think your extreme-right government is going to improve the lives of people like her? I sincerely doubt it.

Regards from Belgium,
Frank Vandenberghe
Proud to be an Old European
 
I thought this was the Canon SLR Talk forum. Now, am I supposed to defend my corrupt, insane, immoral, political regime? This isn't the best way to start my day.
Frank Vandenberghe said:
Shame on your government for spending billions of dollar on defence
and dirty wars while letting people like this lady live on the
streets with only their clothes to own. Here in Belgium she'd be
enjoying a small pension that would allow her to survive and rent a
little place to live.

While you are looking down on "old Europe", we don't see that kind
of things here in the streets of Belgium.

Sometimes I admire your country, sometimes I realise it is not
performing better than a third-world country.

Your high per-capita income is only because of the large companies
you have, isn't it?

Do you really think your extreme-right government is going to
improve the lives of people like her? I sincerely doubt it.

Regards from Belgium,
Frank Vandenberghe
Proud to be an Old European
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maryann said:
that her slippers look brand new. her pose speaks of her former life.
I think this is a striking photo. It really speaks for itself and
it has alot to say. I think the perspective is awesome. It makes
her appear grand.
mini, keep up the photojournalism. its a photographers job to show
people what they "see." keep posting pics and let the pictures
speak for themselves.
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I agree entirely, Maryann. The picture of the woman is a great example of photojournalism. It has a message and says something about society.

Regards,
Frank Vandenberghe
 
Frank Vandenberghe said:
Shame on your government for spending billions of dollar on defence
and dirty wars while letting people like this lady live on the
streets with only their clothes to own. Here in Belgium she'd be
enjoying a small pension that would allow her to survive and rent a
little place to live.
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The only function of a real government is to protect everyone's individual rights -- nothing more and nothing less.

A government certainly isn't an aperatus used to steal from everyone through taxation and give it away to moochers, such as this lady would be if she were put up in a "little place to live" and with a pension, all at the expense of hard working citizens.

I'm sorry, but your leftist/socialists views aren't appreciated in America -- go preach to the Catholics.

If you can't carry your own weight, that's very sad indeed, but don't make it everyone else's fault by stealing from them to support your crippled existance.
 
Frank Vandenberghe said:
Shame on your government for spending billions of dollar on defence
and dirty wars while letting people like this lady live on the
streets with only their clothes to own. Here in Belgium she'd be
enjoying a small pension that would allow her to survive and rent a
little place to live.
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Frank what kind of lens are you using, because to be able to "see" what you apparantly do, all the way from Belgium, well thats quite a telephoto/sensor combination!!

Tell me what do you do in Belgium when a mentally ill person or a drunk decides they would rather not accept a "small pension" and sit quietly out of sight in a "nice little place" waiting to die? Do you assume they are dangerous and lock them up in asylums??

Over here we decided a long time ago that was wrong and we let them roam as long as they are not violent.

You should stop your anti-american rantings and free the imprisoned homeless and mentally ill in Belgium!!! Shame on your government for hiding their mentally ill citizens away in asylums!!
 
mini-me said:
As Bananna stated "tasteless Joke".

This is not what I had in mind. Maybe I stated the circumstances
improperly or incorrectly. I stated what I was seeing as I spent
the 120 seconds standing next to her.

How I came to shoot her is as follows. I was buying something at
the store. She was walking by on the street as I was pulling out of
the market. I was amazed first by her makeup. It was colorful like
a spring flower. I though of taking her picture. I thought "no" it
wouldnt be right.

I did not have my camera with me, it was at home. I drove home and
thoughts of her kept popping into my head.

I wanted to take her picture. But I felt it was wrong. Like I was
taking advantage of a fellow human down on her luck. I got my
camera and drove back to where she had been. She was further down
the street. I drove by several times pondering taking her picture.
I checked my wallet, only 3 dollars. Would she be insulted by the
low amount?

Why did I decided to go ahead? I am a fellow alcoholic with 12.5
years of sobriety. I see wet drunks all the time in meetings. I see
people come and go. Of the 10-30,000 people I have met in AA since
I got sober only a handful remain. Where do they all go? I thought
maybe she is one of the commers and goers. I thought that I should
capture her picture.

I stopped and walked up to her to ask her permission to photo her.
She said OK and that she would pay me for the pictures. I was
puzzled but walked back to my Truck for my gear.

She asked for some water as I walked backed. I got her a new bottle
of Dasani. I then went back and got the last 3 dollars I had and
gave it to her. Thanking her for her time. I took the photos and on
the way home thought of buying her a bag of food.

I was late for another engagement and deadfully didnt get to see
her again.

I hope this gives more insight into my motivation.

Mini..

PS this was not meant to be a joke. I stated what I saw as I
snapped the picture to give it intensity.
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Thanks for sharing your own humanity. I was a little concerned at first, maybe you came accross a little harshly because all of us need to defend ourslves against what we are, or maybe what we feel we might have become, your story now makes sense of what would otherwise have appeared as a pretty indefensible comment.

I was at a loss, because the picture could not have been taken by someone who did not have a deep underlying sympathy for her condition, and your words appeared at odds with this.
Perhaps you have found your true way?
There was a depth and a beauty there rarely seen.
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Regards,
DaveMart

Please see profile for equipment
 
mini-me said:
I paid her to strike a pose. I gave her $3.00 + a bottle of water
she requested. Her feet were rotting and she smelled bad.

She was very friendly and told me her hair was a mess.
I told her she looked great. Then I snapped 3 pics of her.

Mini

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ksocool said:
mini-me said:
I paid her to strike a pose. I gave her $3.00 + a bottle of water
she requested. Her feet were rotting and she smelled bad.

She was very friendly and told me her hair was a mess.
I told her she looked great. Then I snapped 3 pics of her.

Mini

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Follow the thread. Read his story. He is not trying to tell us something about someone else - he is sharing something about himself. This did not come out in the words in the original post. See what he SAW - there was a genuine sympathy there.
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Regards,
DaveMart

Please see profile for equipment
 
What difference do Mini-me's intentions make? He doesn't need to justify himself at all. It is the photo that counts and obviously this one "counts" because it stirs up a lot of feelings. I'm ten years clean and sober, too. Since when can't drunks be funny-looking, nasty, stinky, obnoxious, have funny clothes, smelly feet, carry green brooms or whatever. As someone posted, "There but for the grace of God go I" and I need to able to laugh at myself.

Smitty
 
Shame on you for your narrow minded parochialism! Shame on you and "old Europe" for your effete self-indulgent decadence whereby you lack even the will to perpetuate yourselves much less defend yourselves.

Your high minded arguments are specious at best and in reality are self-destructive delusions.

Please, before you begin to preach to a virile strong nation at least have the decency to have an honest look at yourselves.

Censors please note that this post is in RESPONSE to an inflammatory post.
Frank Vandenberghe said:
Shame on your government for spending billions of dollar on defence
and dirty wars while letting people like this lady live on the
streets with only their clothes to own. Here in Belgium she'd be
enjoying a small pension that would allow her to survive and rent a
little place to live.

While you are looking down on "old Europe", we don't see that kind
of things here in the streets of Belgium.

Sometimes I admire your country, sometimes I realise it is not
performing better than a third-world country.

Your high per-capita income is only because of the large companies
you have, isn't it?

Do you really think your extreme-right government is going to
improve the lives of people like her? I sincerely doubt it.

Regards from Belgium,
Frank Vandenberghe
Proud to be an Old European
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'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.' Edmund Burke

A rose by any other name still smells as sweet.
 
By the woman's expression and body language I'd say mini-me was dealing with her in an honest way. So there's no rip-off going on. The posts in reaction to the photo tell us a lot about who on the forum is who. It reminds me of something Patti Smith says in one of her books. When she decided to add music to her poetry she got a guitarist and brought him along to one of her readings at CBGB. While she read poetry he played a weird guitar along with it. When two tables of people got up and walked out Smith turned to Ivan, the guitarist, and said "Looks like we're getting somewhere."

If you could ask this woman how she feels about the photo, I'm sure she'd reply that she was very glad to have the three bucks.

Zidar
Alaska
--
It's not about stuff.
http://www.pbase.com/zidar
 
Where's the photo? I'd like to see it after all the talk it has generated. That's what I get for getting here late.
mini-me said:
I paid her to strike a pose. I gave her $3.00 + a bottle of water
she requested. Her feet were rotting and she smelled bad.

She was very friendly and told me her hair was a mess.
I told her she looked great. Then I snapped 3 pics of her.

Mini

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I have read all the messages in this thread and held back my opinion.
It seems like everyone has said what could be said and I had nothing to
add. But I notice that the photo is no longer there. Hopefully the
website is down and you did not delete the photo.

If you did delete the photo then my opinion of you has changed
for the worst. Big time!

Bill
--
“What actually happens in the real world is what photographers needs to know.”
Michael Reichmann – Luminous Landscape
 
Bob Kerkenberg said:
I'm really not quite sure what to make of such deranged thinking.
I can only hope that it emerged from the fanciful meanderings of a
teenager or preteen and hopefully not an adult.
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You have terrible difficulty in understanding something alien to you and therefore, you dismiss it as "deranged thinking". Open up your mind, you are suffocating in a box of preconceived notions about what "good men" are. But it doesn't surprise me at all, since you believe in the need to fight against "the triumph of evil".

Where do you think your conception of evil comes from? What makes a human being a "good man". I'm pretty certain you never ask yourself thoses question. You probably think they are "fanciful meanderings" of people you would rather do without.

You must feel fortunate to have all those guidelines to help you through life. Keep on being a good man. A man whose mindset got fixed forever at a young age.

All right, I assume too much about your thinking. I don't know you and you have every right to disagree with all I said. There is no chance of anyone gaining anything in such a confrontational tone and that is the reason why I'll stop right here.

All the best
TangoMan
 
you think so much of your lifestyle. Quite different ;)

I am saying that there is more than one can imagine in a human and that sometimes a closed mind is all that is depriving someone of hapiness. Some extremely poor people are in peace and happy beyond common understanding, at the same time, some people well off financially live in a hell of their own making, trapped behind bars that their mind can't let go of. Some can't be happy in the "american way of life" and are much better off pushing a cart with a green broom in it. She could be happier than many of us but not many here are ready to accept this.
 
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