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Full Frame Nex
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SQLGuy
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In what way would this be a NEX, then? You're talking about an A99, or maybe a more compact version of an A99.
Nex-7 with kit lenses, Contax G 35, and a number of legacy lenses (mostly Canon FD)
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Nex-7 with kit lenses, Contax G 35, and a number of legacy lenses (mostly Canon FD)
Spunky8
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I think that any Nex FF should be mirrorless. That's the Nex point.
Danlo
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Yes please. Thats all EVER think about... Oh sweet lord in heaven.. It would be an unprecedented game-changer..
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I am wondering if the mount would still be eighteen mm from sensor to flange and whether the $20.00 adapters would still be workable. Would Sony give us this, or would they get greedy and come up with a mount that makes adapting less workable to sell more Sony lenses?
Again, I never said it -would- be. What I said was that "A smaller FF A series body would be better..." Better than a FF NEX.
If you want a FF NEX, I hope they make one for you. I personally think the A series lenses are better suited to FF and the system is more mature.
Well I think this is not realy happening. Why should Sony come with some small sensor interchangable lens cameras when the compatition (Nikon and Petax) are doing that without the Success Sony has with the Nex. Many said that the Nikon 1 cameras would smash Sony Nex out of exisence, with b lazing fast AF and smaller size, and look what happend:
Not that much smaller then the Nex in the end. Even the Pentax Q system is not that much smaller (without lens) then the Sony Nex. But the lenses are, but then you get a camera without real DOF control an a small, read very small, snesor:
Can you show sails figures to match this statment?
Yes let's compare the size of the mentioned G1X from Canon, Lets look how much smaller it is then the SONY Nex5:
http://j.mp/JI2nMg
You see (click on the link above) that the G1X has a smaller sensor and still isat is smallest size in every way larger then the Sony at is't smalles size, with a lens attached.
Lets look at the numbers:
Sony/Canon
Width: 110.8 / 116.7
Height:58.8/80.5
Depth(with lens) 60.7/64.7
Weight (inclusive lens) 336/534 grams
Sony don't need a small sensor ILC Their Nex IS not much bigger ans sometimes even smaller then the compatition with (much) smaller sensors...
Do youi realy think a over 500 grams brick like the G1X fits in a pocket, where you can't fit in the Sony Nex 5with the 18-55mm zoom? With the zoom lens the Sony has less height, less width, and less weight then het Canon only in depth it is a little bit larger (just 3.5cm, omparing the total package I would say that both cameras are equaliy (not) pocketable...
Well the Nex lenses will not work on a FF sensor. They are optimized APS lenses.
Why bookmark, so you can tell in a few years you are wrong?
Reports are the NEX 3F (if that is what it is called) is even smaller than the NEX3CNot that much smaller then the Nex in the end. Even the Pentax Q system is not that much smaller (without lens) then the Sony Nex. But the lenses are, but then you get a camera without real DOF control an a small, read very small, snesor:
wll
I don't think it has to do with greed (If they were greedy they would have made the Nex in a way that so many lenses could be adapted, they would not have given away the mount specifications to third party lens builders) Yes they want to make a profit, and yes they want to protect their market, but that is a thing all the camera makers are doing, nothing wrong with that.
I think a FF ILC is not a thing we can expect in the near future from Sony, I don't think that the market for such a camera is very large. Remember a FF DSLR still is about two times more expensive then an APS sized camera with (roughly) the same features and build quality (compare the price of the A700 with the A900, The Canon or Nikon APS high class cameras with their, low range FF cameras and you see.
How many people would realy be willing to pay over $2000,-- for a FF mirrorless camera, with just a hand full of dedicate FF lenses, that will AF slowly (esp when you use Wide appertures with very little DOF.?
I think we'll have to do with the Leica (No AF at all) and the DSLRs (with fast PDAF) when we want a FF camera.
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blue_skies
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Range finder lenses are SMALLER than the E mount lenses (except 16mm pancake) and FASTER and SHARPER.
They do cover a FULL FRAME image, after all that is what they were made for.
All that Sony has to do is release a body with a FF sensor that does NOT have the color shift and edge softness. This would be a KILLER camera!!
I can image a Nex-5N pixel pitch, maybe even larger. The Nex-5N does NOT have the color shift and yields 16Mp. Doubling that for a FF sensor makes it a 32Mp sensor (16Mp crop, like Nex-5N).
Heck, if the color shift/softness problem would mean to reduce it to 28Mp, (14Mp crop, like Nex-5), I'd say, Sony, GO FOR IT!!
After the RF lenses, all the Legacy SLR lenses will bolt right on. All such lenses will now work at a crop-factor of 1x!!! This opens up an entire new spectrum, only covered by Leica M9 and alikes.
Also, full size (expensive) A mount lenses can be used, assuming the LA-EA2 adapter (or a modification thereof) will allow them to be used.
New E mount lenses can be added, but I don't think that they are needed to get started. Heck, release the camera with a single lens, (E50 in FF mode?), that's enough, and guarantee it to work with RF and SLR lenses.
The line is forming to the right ... you know that you'll want one!!!
Maybe, but a Full Size flagship model would change the game. Maybe Sony will finally be recognized as a camera maker by all the so-called reviewers?
Demands on FF are much higher, prices will be steep, but it would draw in a lot of professionals, I am sure.
All mention lenses are on the revised roadmap.
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Sony needs to make an anouncemt of its progress in the NEX line up and maybe a heads up on other lenses they have planned and a very loose release date.
Evey report on the NEX series states the cameras are great, but the available lenses are a major issue, although they are in the works !
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RussellInCincinnati
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Have no idea if Sony could make more money chasing down full frame buyers...than continuing to make APS-C cameras that take pictures that are, for an ever-increasing fraction of the population, ever more adequate in sheer image quality, even with inexpensive 30 year old lenses.
In my opinion the issue is settled for still photos for most buyers and most purposes, in APS-C's favor. However in the much smaller market of professional quality video, maybe those folks, that I know nothing about, will always and forever want the biggest sensors they can get, for noise and depth of field reasons. Which would give Sony benefits not apparent to me, to work out bigger-sensor products for all types of cameras, not just cine iron.
Also there's the intangible marketing attractiveness of making low-volume bigger sensor cameras, with qualities that "rub off" on or attract more people to a company, that might be valuable for indirectly helping sales of every type of camera.
So despite the desire of Sony for really high-volume sales, and the needlessness of the upcoming A99 or whatever full frame quality for most users, am guessing there will indeed by an "A99" etc type full frame camera coming out soon.
But the A99 will be a big body compared to what Nex folks are used to thinking about, and am not sure if an A99 coming out means we'll ever see a full frame Nex. Here "Nex" meaning a compact-and-light-as-theoretically-possible mirrorless camera.
In my opinion the issue is settled for still photos for most buyers and most purposes, in APS-C's favor. However in the much smaller market of professional quality video, maybe those folks, that I know nothing about, will always and forever want the biggest sensors they can get, for noise and depth of field reasons. Which would give Sony benefits not apparent to me, to work out bigger-sensor products for all types of cameras, not just cine iron.
Also there's the intangible marketing attractiveness of making low-volume bigger sensor cameras, with qualities that "rub off" on or attract more people to a company, that might be valuable for indirectly helping sales of every type of camera.
So despite the desire of Sony for really high-volume sales, and the needlessness of the upcoming A99 or whatever full frame quality for most users, am guessing there will indeed by an "A99" etc type full frame camera coming out soon.
But the A99 will be a big body compared to what Nex folks are used to thinking about, and am not sure if an A99 coming out means we'll ever see a full frame Nex. Here "Nex" meaning a compact-and-light-as-theoretically-possible mirrorless camera.
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For Sony, you are probably right. Sony would really have to up their game to go after the market that the Nikon D800 is selling to.
Nikon, on the other hand, will have trouble keeping up with the demand for their new FF cameras.
Very true.
Actually, most professional film/video making uses a frame size called Super35. This is almost equal in size to an APS-C sensor, not FF (36x24mm).
But the advent of video does indeed make larger than Super35 sensor sizes for video possible.
However, large sensor video is not something for the amateur masses. The DoF issue alone (especially when combined with autofocus) would make for reams and reams of unuseable footage.
Big is not necessarily bad. In fact you can have too small. NEX comes close to being too small.
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I currently shoot with an A55 for stills and video, and am considering buying a NEX primarily for video work. The main attraction for me to the NEX system is two-fold, the small flange distance gives the camera tremendous flexibility when it comes to lenses and the fully unlocked manual video capabilities (1080/60p is awesome). I don't really understand why so many are griping about the lack of lenses, the NEX system is one of the most flexible in history and allows usage of literally hundreds of lenses of many different types. I suppose if you want snappy AF and extremely sharp glass you might be out of luck, but if you want snappy AF you should be getting an SLR/SLT with proper PDAF and not a NEX.
Once the mirrorless PDAF systems improve (and I'm sure they will over the next couple years) you'll probably see some sort of Mirrorless Alpha/NEX FF hybrid...
Once the mirrorless PDAF systems improve (and I'm sure they will over the next couple years) you'll probably see some sort of Mirrorless Alpha/NEX FF hybrid...
I hope you are right.
If Sony finds a business case than it is absolutely possible.
I believe they should do like with the VG900:
Solution-> Make a 36Mpix FF NEX for say $2099 including an A-mount adapter with full electronic control at least. The new FF PDAF adapter could be bought additionally.
With this solution people who want top DSLR performance can get it by buying the FF top SAL lenses and optimally with the PDAF adapter. No need for SEL FF lenses which would make the camera bulky anyway.
Others could adapt legacy lenses, and the possibility to mount tiny Leica lenses and utilize the full image circle is BIG.
The only catch with this model/solution is that IBIS would almost be mandatory if the camera should be a real A-mount alternative.
Bottomline is, if Sony figures out the IBIS for their mirrorless NEX line then the road is wide open for the FF NEX.
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