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As per Canon Rumors, the 7D will be getting a replacement announcement in Feb/March of next year. No details yet, but it looks like they will be replacing it, which means Canon is still addressing the "ProDX" market. That being the case, do we think that Nikon will or will not replace the D300s (Canon 7D competitor). Do we think Nikon will not compete actively in this segment with similar body type, specs and price point? Opinions appreciated.
 
Sameer Thawani said:
Sameer Thawani wrote:

As per Canon Rumors, the 7D will be getting a replacement announcement in Feb/March of next year. No details yet, but it looks like they will be replacing it, which means Canon is still addressing the "ProDX" market. That being the case, do we think that Nikon will or will not replace the D300s (Canon 7D competitor). Do we think Nikon will not compete actively in this segment with similar body type, specs and price point? Opinions appreciated.
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I doubt if this issue of a D300s replacement has ever been considered by jfriend, bobn2, n057, Kerry Pierce or the other regular contributors. Thanks for bringing a new topic for discussion. :-)
 
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Sameer Thawani said:
Sameer Thawani wrote:

As per Canon Rumors, the 7D will be getting a replacement announcement in Feb/March of next year. No details yet, but it looks like they will be replacing it, which means Canon is still addressing the "ProDX" market. That being the case, do we think that Nikon will or will not replace the D300s (Canon 7D competitor). Do we think Nikon will not compete actively in this segment with similar body type, specs and price point? Opinions appreciated.
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There were 149 opinions on this subject at the top of the page you just posted on.
 
Of course Nikon will respond...they are not ignorant of what Canon is doing...and will not simply give the market away to Canon.
 
D300SandV1shooter said:
D300SandV1shooter wrote:
D300SandV1shooter said:
Sameer Thawani wrote:

As per Canon Rumors, the 7D will be getting a replacement announcement in Feb/March of next year. No details yet, but it looks like they will be replacing it, which means Canon is still addressing the "ProDX" market. That being the case, do we think that Nikon will or will not replace the D300s (Canon 7D competitor). Do we think Nikon will not compete actively in this segment with similar body type, specs and price point? Opinions appreciated.
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I doubt if this issue of a D300s replacement has ever been considered by jfriend, bobn2, n057, Kerry Pierce or the other regular contributors. Thanks for bringing a new topic for discussion. :-)
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Well-played. :-)
 
In Sameer's defense, I just tried to post in the "Pro DX is Dead" thread and was informed that thread has reached its maximum number of posts. I want to beat that horse a little more just in case it isn't dead yet.

In 2006 I bought a fully-loaded, feature-rich Subaru Legacy sedan. I loved the car but it had no auxiliary input for mp3s, and the head unit was built into the climate control unit so you couldn't just replace the factory head unit with an after-market stereo that had aux input. By early 2006 iPods and other portable mp3 players had been the rage for quite a while. Every other comparable sedan I drove had aux audio input, but Subaru didn't have it anywhere in its product line. I drove that car for six years, using a variety of Rube Goldberg workarounds to get my mp3s onto the car stereo. A couple of months after I bought it, the dealer's new car sales manager called me up to do a satisfaction survey. I told him I loved it mechanically but that it lagged way behind the competition on important interior electronic features. He listened to my complaint and then said, "But we have all-wheel drive."

Fast forward to 2012. The D600 has 12 fewer autofocus points, 6 fewer cross-type points, no dedicated AF-On button, and can't be programmed to zoom the preview to 100% with the center select button. Nikon's response: "but this camera has full-frame."
 
My guess is the proDX 300 replacement has all been designed and ready for production when needed but Nikon may be waiting for one or more reasons: production ramp timing, existing inventory sell off, Canon feature/price strategy, show announcement timing, etc.
 
Competition with Canon has been discussed at length. Assuming that a 7D MarkII - by any name - is coming, no doubt Nikon will respond. This represents a real problem for Bob's arguments, because the EOS 7D is a $1599 camera (MSRP). I am dubious that a camera at the D7000's original price of $1199 can provide the functionality to compete with a 7D MarkII. Furthermore, D7000s are flying out the door at $999, easily outselling the EOS 60D. My thought is that Nikon will counter with a "D400" at say $1799 and continue selling the D7000 for some time, eventually replacing it at the $1199 price point.
 
JimPearce said:
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Competition with Canon has been discussed at length. Assuming that a 7D MarkII - by any name - is coming, no doubt Nikon will respond. This represents a real problem for Bob's arguments,
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It doesn't represent a problem at all. The same rumour (about the 7D Mark II) form Northlight says that there will be no 70D, that is Canon are merging the top end (and they class both the 7D - about D7000 plus a little and the 60D - distinctly below the D7000 as 'pro'). So what this says is that with the 6D, Canon see room for only one APS-C model above the Rebels, now to be the 7D Mark II. I expect Nikon to think the same, and I expect that camera to be based on the D7000 platform, quite similar to the 7D platform - polymer chassis. The rumour is that the 7D Mark II might move to Canon's top end AF, in which case one might expect Nikon to do similar.
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because the EOS 7D is a $1599 camera (MSRP). I am dubious that a camera at the D7000's original price of $1199 can provide the functionality to compete with a 7D MarkII.
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I think that the 7DII will stay or move down a bit, especially of there is no 70D. I see both of them selling at the $1500 point (MSRP)
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Furthermore, D7000s are flying out the door at $999, easily outselling the EOS 60D.
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Anyone see another D90 coming on? The Northlight rumour also suggests that the 7D will keep on selling for a while yet, at somewhere close to the $1k mark.
JimPearce said:
My thought is that Nikon will counter with a "D400" at say $1799 and continue selling the D7000 for some time, eventually replacing it at the $1199 price point.
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My thought is that they won't.
 
Bunky56 said:
Bunky56 wrote:

My guess is the proDX 300 replacement has all been designed and ready for production when needed but Nikon may be waiting for one or more reasons: production ramp timing, existing inventory sell off, Canon feature/price strategy, show announcement timing, etc.
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That is highly unlikely, when a company has put that investment into R & D and tooling etc, they want to make it pay as quickly as possible. Unused capital investment costs money.
 
Sameer Thawani said:
Sameer Thawani wrote:

As per Canon Rumors, the 7D will be getting a replacement announcement in Feb/March of next year.
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It's a rumor, alright. There's no detail whatsoever other than "in 6 months time, Canon will have a new camera". Right now, it's difficult to treat this as credible.
Sameer Thawani said:
That being the case, do we think that Nikon will or will not replace the D300s
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Sure.


The question is, and what's been at the heart of many discussions here, is what that replacement will be. I believe next camera in D7k line gets a specification boost, and effectively serves as D300s replacement.
 
jonrobertp said:
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Of course Nikon will respond...they are not ignorant of what Canon is doing...and will not simply give the market away to Canon.
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Canon isn't doing much here, either. 7D is over 3 years old already.
 
Bunky56 said:
Bunky56 wrote:

My guess is the proDX 300 replacement has all been designed and ready for production when needed but Nikon may be waiting for one or more reasons: production ramp timing, existing inventory sell off, Canon feature/price strategy, show announcement timing, etc.
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Why would they wait for Canon to show their hand? If Nikon had the D300s replacement ready, they'd want to make as much money as they can, and giving Canon time to provide a competitor isn't the way to do it.

Why wait for existing inventory to clear? On Nikon's Imaging Products webpage, you can still see, for example, both D5100, D3100 and D3k listed alongside the new cameras. Go to lenses section, and, same thing, old lenses listed alongside new. Nikon didn't wait to clear the stock of 50/1.8 AF to start producing the 50/1.8 AF-S. And so on.
 
Waiting only makes sense if they want another sensor version in the D400, which I would expect them to.
 
Why do people pretend that Nikon can either make a D7000 style camera or a D300 style camera. Nikon will make a new camera, they are not forced to use an existing body.

It is interesting to see that Canon is considering dropping the lower model and not the top DX body. But then what could Nikon stop from releasing a D400 at 1599$? 6FPS, D300 like controls, new body, 51 point AF.... does not sound impossible to me. The D7X00 could come later and the the video orientated camera in their line-up.
 
seahawk said:
seahawk wrote:

Why do people pretend that Nikon can either make a D7000 style camera or a D300 style camera. Nikon will make a new camera, they are not forced to use an existing body.

It is interesting to see that Canon is considering dropping the lower model and not the top DX body. But then what could Nikon stop from releasing a D400 at 1599$? 6FPS, D300 like controls, new body, 51 point AF.... does not sound impossible to me. The D7X00 could come later and the the video orientated camera in their line-up.
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Well, I think they will have an evolution of a current body, but I think if they built a 1500$ DX camera they can either improve the D700 body or make the D300 body simpler in cost to meet the price point.

Looking at the D7000 and the D600 the price of the body might not be of such a huge importance anyway and some small adjustment will have to be made anyway as well. And as CR suggests that the 7dIi might get a new name, I think Nikon will do the same and launch a D9000 or something.
 
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