D600 - one month of use, and it's gotta go!

olyflyer wrote:
Tee1up wrote:

One of Ming's comments bothers me: "The D600 is full frame for the masses; if you’re not a pro but you’re itching for an upgrade from your D700 or D7000, this is probably what you’ve been waiting for."

In your opinion, is he referring to build quality, image quality or both?

I know some Pros that are considering the D600 as well, so I'm not sure what criteria he uses to define 'Pro'.
If he would have left out the D700 I would agree with him on this line. For the D700 owners the D800 is the upgrade route. The D600 is the entry level FX to venture into the FX world from the consumer DX models.
I shoot indoor sports, so for me, the real upgrade from the D700 is the D4.
 
puttin wrote:
Art Jacks wrote:

Spare a thought for the photographers from the pre digital age who were photographically accomplished enough to get their shots on possibly one 36 exposure roll of film without the facility to ' chimp ', they were photographers confident in their ability, now there seems the need to check each shot and have the camera set on continuous high speed just in case ! Old school here, 2 double dark slides = 4 sheets of film, I was expected to return with two different usable images plus a backup based purely on my knowledge and technique.
So true, I remember the 80's and 90's going to Daytona Bike Week and taking 20 rolls of slides and never seeing them till 2 weeks later. It was very normal and no big deal but digital has spoiled the new shuuter bugs.
I don't believe that digital has spoiled anything (maybe some of the magic), what I think is different is that snap "photography" that used to be around from the 60s started developing to a higher level after the first "auto" and "program" cameras appeared on the 70s, then it further advanced with AF on the late 80s and mixed up completely with photographers (not necessarily pros - artists too) during the 90s and later during the digital era.... The greed of the manufactures to sell more cameras to everybody certainly contributed to todays mess... The digital era only added glamour to gadget IMO...

Let me give you an example... let's say that you met 2 strangers shooting landscapes during 1994, one with an F3HP and a prime AI-s WA fitted on... and another with an F4 and 20-35mm fitted on, who would you trust at those days being the photographer if only one had to be? ...Nowadays the problem is that there is a good chance both shooting a D800 with 28 f1.8 fitted on... which does make things more complex...

Theodoros
www.fotometria.gr
www.fotometriawedding.gr
 
In my local buy and sell, today listed a mint used 600 s.c d600 for 100 bucks less than retail with full Nikon Warranty, I just don't get it. And a mint used d800e also on sale with full warranty. a couple of 5dmk3 also. I don't get these people who bought these cameras.
 
Hi All,

While out shooting (with other high end cameras), I was handed over a D600 for a short time to shoot with and had a single question regarding the viewfinder display while in Single Shot Af mode. On all other Nikon DSLR's I've extensively shot with (from the original D1 to the D3s and D800), I can set the viewfinder to simply display a single red (or black) rectangle indicating what Af sensor I've selected. From there I can use the rear touch pad to move to another AF sensor (up, down, right or left), which will once again be highlighted in red (or black), but not other blinking or other Af sensors (or clusters of sensors) momentarily lit. I kept searching vitually all D600 menu options to allow this, but was unsuccessful. In addition to attemtping to achieve this in "S" single shot mode, I also wanted this single AF sensor highlighted (without any others momentarily lit) in "C" (continuous mode). I was wondering if it was possible to achieve this in S or C mode with this camera? Thanks!

kxk2
 
Dave wrote:

Hi All,

While out shooting (with other high end cameras), I was handed over a D600 for a short time to shoot with and had a single question regarding the viewfinder display while in Single Shot Af mode. On all other Nikon DSLR's I've extensively shot with (from the original D1 to the D3s and D800), I can set the viewfinder to simply display a single red (or black) rectangle indicating what Af sensor I've selected. From there I can use the rear touch pad to move to another AF sensor (up, down, right or left), which will once again be highlighted in red (or black), but not other blinking or other Af sensors (or clusters of sensors) momentarily lit. I kept searching vitually all D600 menu options to allow this, but was unsuccessful. In addition to attemtping to achieve this in "S" single shot mode, I also wanted this single AF sensor highlighted (without any others momentarily lit) in "C" (continuous mode). I was wondering if it was possible to achieve this in S or C mode with this camera? Thanks!

kxk2

Yes, you can do this on the D600 in AF-S Mode. Dead easy - Read the manual ;-)
 
RBudding wrote:
olyflyer wrote:
Tee1up wrote:

One of Ming's comments bothers me: "The D600 is full frame for the masses; if you’re not a pro but you’re itching for an upgrade from your D700 or D7000, this is probably what you’ve been waiting for."

In your opinion, is he referring to build quality, image quality or both?

I know some Pros that are considering the D600 as well, so I'm not sure what criteria he uses to define 'Pro'.
If he would have left out the D700 I would agree with him on this line. For the D700 owners the D800 is the upgrade route. The D600 is the entry level FX to venture into the FX world from the consumer DX models.
I shoot indoor sports, so for me, the real upgrade from the D700 is the D4.
OK, so problem solved. The D700 is been replaced by the D4. :-)
 
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John wrote:
Dave wrote:

Hi All,

While out shooting (with other high end cameras), I was handed over a D600 for a short time to shoot with and had a single question regarding the viewfinder display while in Single Shot Af mode. On all other Nikon DSLR's I've extensively shot with (from the original D1 to the D3s and D800), I can set the viewfinder to simply display a single red (or black) rectangle indicating what Af sensor I've selected. From there I can use the rear touch pad to move to another AF sensor (up, down, right or left), which will once again be highlighted in red (or black), but not other blinking or other Af sensors (or clusters of sensors) momentarily lit. I kept searching vitually all D600 menu options to allow this, but was unsuccessful. In addition to attemtping to achieve this in "S" single shot mode, I also wanted this single AF sensor highlighted (without any others momentarily lit) in "C" (continuous mode). I was wondering if it was possible to achieve this in S or C mode with this camera? Thanks!

kxk2

Yes, you can do this on the D600 in AF-S Mode. Dead easy - Read the manual ;-)_________________________________________________________________
Hi,

I was handed the D600 manual for a few minutes and tried each variation of all the settings and nothing seemed to result in a singular red or black highlighted Af senor being lit when the shutter button was pressed half way, while at the same time, avoiding some other clusters of AF sensors coming on momentarily or blinking once. If there was a way to shut all sesors or blinking off except the one single sensor selected, it was beyond me and unsuccessful. No issue doing this in D3s, D800, D3x, etc. Again any insight as to the actual steps or settings used, would be approciated, although I too would have assumed that it should be pretty obvious and simple.

kxk2
 
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Todd Smigelski wrote:

If my D300 had the 100% quick zoom funct WHY cant I have it on the D600??
I think the question you must ask is "If the D7000 had the 100% quick zoom funct WHY cant I have it on the D600??" I have no idea about the D7000 actually, but the D600 is the FX version of the D7000, not the D300.
I agree this is very disappointing. I get pi$$ed everyitime I press the OK button out of habit and I get the retouch menu.
Yes, I agree, it is a nice feature, but it is not there by design, not by mistake.
Too bad no one has simple hack for this if Nikon is purposely leaving this out!

FYI - Here is Nikon USA's reply to me:

____________________

Thank you for contacting Nikon.

Although your suggestion is very ideal and useful, we do not control how Nikon creates its products.We only have the power to help you understand and work your camera better as well as troubleshooting it if it happens to go a stray.I am sorry if we misled you in anyway to think we could fix this problem.Have a nice day.

Sincerely,
Nikon Customer Service
Was that actually Nikon USA, or just a local service center? It sounds like a very strange answer, since that's not the standard "we will forward your opinion and ideas..." type of answer.
 
Hi,
I was handed the D600 manual for a few minutes and tried each variation of all the settings and nothing seemed to result in a singular red or black highlighted Af senor being lit when the shutter button was pressed half way, while at the same time, avoiding some other clusters of AF sensors coming on momentarily or blinking once. If there was a way to shut all sesors or blinking off except the one single sensor selected, it was beyond me and unsuccessful. No issue doing this in D3s, D800, D3x, etc. Again any insight as to the actual steps or settings used, would be approciated, although I too would have assumed that it should be pretty obvious and simple.

kxk2
Dave, it's really easy mate. If you read the manual, then you haven't understood it properly.


Press AF/M button in.

Select AF-S and S using mode dials

Use selector to change to desired single focus point. (Lock off obviously) ;-)
 
John wrote:
Hi,
I was handed the D600 manual for a few minutes and tried each variation of all the settings and nothing seemed to result in a singular red or black highlighted Af senor being lit when the shutter button was pressed half way, while at the same time, avoiding some other clusters of AF sensors coming on momentarily or blinking once. If there was a way to shut all sesors or blinking off except the one single sensor selected, it was beyond me and unsuccessful. No issue doing this in D3s, D800, D3x, etc. Again any insight as to the actual steps or settings used, would be approciated, although I too would have assumed that it should be pretty obvious and simple.

kxk2
Dave, it's really easy mate. If you read the manual, then you haven't understood it properly.


Press AF/M button in.

Select AF-S and S using mode dials

Use selector to change to desired single focus point. (Lock off obviously) ;-)
Thanks! When I was handled the manual for a minute or so, it was not an optimal time and location during my own shooting to simply stop and read and reread throughly, especially that it was not the system I was shooting with at the time. All I wanted to do now is both satisfy my curiousity that it could be done as well as pass on the info the the owner of that D600.

My mistake in also doing it on the fly, is I forgot that with bodies like the D600, one has an option of pushing in the AF?M buttomn to change options, something that doesn't even cross my mind with D3/D3s etc. type bodies nor the D700.

kxk2
 
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Ernie Misner wrote:

>>> The one press in the D800/D700/D300/D3/D4 goes directly to the selected focus point rather than the center of the screen >>>

Is that a menu setting? My D700 just starts zooming in (multiple presses) when I first hit the + button....?

Thanks, Ernie Misner
Okay,

For those of you that use your cameras to shoot paid, event, wedding and commercial photography, and want to ensure that your shot is tack-sharp and in focus, set your center button on your camera's Multi selector control (My D700 has a button in the middle of the Multi selector control, the D300 does not, but you can press the multi selector control in the middle to replicate this feature)

In the camera's custom menu, head down to "custom setting menu, go to "F -Controls", and then go to "f2 Multi Selector Center button)

There are 2 distinct modes, Shooting and playback.

Go to the playback mode, and go to the Zoom on/off button, and click into the button to find the Low/medium/high magnification (mine is on medium). Voila! When playing back your photos on the screen, hit the middle button of your multi selector control to pull up 100% magnification on your photos.


Good luck everyone. For the record, I would not get a D600 for this very reason, as it is indeed a deal-breaker for me. When there are fast moving events going around you, you want to be confident that you nailed the shot, not that it was "soft" or "usable". ;)

Yeah, I chimp my shots. But I do chimp quickly with this feature on. Takes less than a second to check your shots, and carry on.


Dan


PS: The other configurable option for the center button in the shooting mode is the "select center focus point" option to reset it back to center. It's a great feature when your control point is far to the right or left, and you want to quickly send it to the center of the screen for a shot. :)
 
Bamboojled wrote:

Really, pressing the enlarge button multiple times is killing you?

Dude, if that is all it takes, then by all means buy the D800...

But placing a post about how fatigued your poor thumb gets when you chimp your pictures is probably a bad idea.
Agree 100%.

My guess is if Nikon had known this is all it would take to get people to spend an extra $800+ on a camera, they'd have been thrilled.
 
olyflyer wrote:
Thank you for contacting Nikon.
Although your suggestion is very ideal and useful, we do not control how Nikon creates its products.We only have the power to help you understand and work your camera better as well as troubleshooting it if it happens to go a stray.I am sorry if we misled you in anyway to think we could fix this problem.Have a nice day.

Sincerely,
Nikon Customer Service
Was that actually Nikon USA, or just a local service center? It sounds like a very strange answer, since that's not the standard "we will forward your opinion and ideas..." type of answer.
Yes, this was Nikon USA.
 
Got rid of mine...well more or less, it is somewhere in no man's land of Amazon FBA.
 
Todd Smigelski wrote:
olyflyer wrote:
Thank you for contacting Nikon.
Although your suggestion is very ideal and useful, we do not control how Nikon creates its products.We only have the power to help you understand and work your camera better as well as troubleshooting it if it happens to go a stray.I am sorry if we misled you in anyway to think we could fix this problem.Have a nice day.

Sincerely,
Nikon Customer Service
Was that actually Nikon USA, or just a local service center? It sounds like a very strange answer, since that's not the standard "we will forward your opinion and ideas..." type of answer.
Yes, this was Nikon USA.
Very unprofessional of them to answer the way they did.
 
olyflyer wrote:
larrywilson wrote:

Gee wiz guys. My camera is better than yours, my camera is better than yours!!!!!! What a waste of electronic time.

It might be good to learn the basic technic of capturing an image instead of having to chirp every time you push the shutter. With digital the sloppy habits are magified.

Larry
...take a deep breath. How do you know I don't know more than the basics of photography? Your last sentence is nonsense in the context, but I suppose you know that very well.
Digital cameras can make lazy photographers. With film you thought more on how to make a good image [I'm not talking about P&S film cameras] but with digital you take a shot, chimp, adjust, take another shot, chimp again and say looks good now. And as much I hate to admit this, I'm guilty of doing this. But the LCD is there for that reason, so why not use it?
 
olyflyer wrote:
RBudding wrote:
olyflyer wrote:
Tee1up wrote:

One of Ming's comments bothers me: "The D600 is full frame for the masses; if you’re not a pro but you’re itching for an upgrade from your D700 or D7000, this is probably what you’ve been waiting for."

In your opinion, is he referring to build quality, image quality or both?

I know some Pros that are considering the D600 as well, so I'm not sure what criteria he uses to define 'Pro'.
If he would have left out the D700 I would agree with him on this line. For the D700 owners the D800 is the upgrade route. The D600 is the entry level FX to venture into the FX world from the consumer DX models.
I shoot indoor sports, so for me, the real upgrade from the D700 is the D4.
OK, so problem solved. The D700 is been replaced by the D4. :-)
You usually quote insane answers to posters and provoke them, but confusing the word "upgrade" of "RBudding" with "replaced" as you quote for the D4 shows an unstable mind....
 

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