Thumbs down trolls

Sammy Yousef · Oct 26, 2012

I'm now reasonably certain there is some person who needs to get some help giving me a thumbs down within a few minutes no matter what I post.

Before you call me paranoid here are some of my reasons for thinking this:

- Lots of threads with just one -1 for each of my responses on a thread. I have had a post where all I said was thanks modded down.

- LIGHTNING quick thumbs down responses in some cases. I am kind of hoping I'm wrong, because anyone who'd stalk a board like that literally has mental health issues and requires help.

How much does this bother me? Well I'm not going to be losing any sleep over it, but it is unpleasant. A bit like being followed around by a blow fly. I believe a couple of people who think it's their god given right to abuse and put down anyone who disagrees with them, and who I've refused to engage in a verbal abuse contest, have found an outlet that unfortunately has been legitimised by the way this board is being run. Between bugs, lack of tech reviews, and harassment from losers like this all in all this place is gradually becoming more hassle than it's worth.

Anonymous thumbs down has to be THE single worst moderation idea I've seen implemented in a long time.

Peter Jonas · Oct 27, 2012

Sammy Yousef said:
Sammy Yousef wrote:

Anonymous thumbs down has to be THE single worst moderation idea I've seen implemented in a long time.

The people who give you anonymous thubms down do that to you in order to annoy you and/or upset you.

By starting a thread like this you are showing to them that they are susseeding. You are giving them satisfaction ans an incentive to keep doing it.

On the other hand if you ignore them, they will soon go and try to annoy sombody else.

In my opinion the TU/TD system should not be taken very seriously. One cannot please everyone. No matter how constructive your contribution is, there may always be someone who thinks otherwise. Don't worry about those people. Just look after yourself.

Since2007 · Oct 27, 2012

Peter Jonas said:
Peter Jonas wrote:

Peter Jonas said:

Sammy Yousef wrote:

Anonymous thumbs down has to be THE single worst moderation idea I've seen implemented in a long time.

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The people who give you anonymous thubms down do that to you in order to annoy you and/or upset you.

By starting a thread like this you are showing to them that they are susseeding. You are giving them satisfaction ans an incentive to keep doing it.

On the other hand if you ignore them, they will soon go and try to annoy sombody else.

In my opinion the TU/TD system should not be taken very seriously. One cannot please everyone. No matter how constructive your contribution is, there may always be someone who thinks otherwise. Don't worry about those people. Just look after yourself.

There are at least 3 options that DPR can consider:
1. Get rid of the TU/TD system entirely.
2. Get rid of TD and keep only TU.
3. Keep both but show who cast the TD vote.

Sammy Yousef · Oct 27, 2012

Peter Jonas said:
Peter Jonas wrote:

Peter Jonas said:

Sammy Yousef wrote:

Anonymous thumbs down has to be THE single worst moderation idea I've seen implemented in a long time.

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The people who give you anonymous thubms down do that to you in order to annoy you and/or upset you.

By starting a thread like this you are showing to them that they are susseeding. You are giving them satisfaction ans an incentive to keep doing it.

On the other hand if you ignore them, they will soon go and try to annoy sombody else.

You are sorely mistaken. "Don't feed trolls" is the WORST possible strategy. It allows the troll's opinions to rule unchallenged. I've seen that attitude take boards down.

Peter Jonas said:
In my opinion the TU/TD system should not be taken very seriously. One cannot please everyone. No matter how constructive your contribution is, there may always be someone who thinks otherwise. Don't worry about those people. Just look after yourself.

If it can't be taken seriously, it shouldn't be in place. The ability to anonymously insult people here is ridiculous.

Peter Jonas · Oct 27, 2012

Since2007 said:
aus4ever wrote:

There are at least 3 options that DPR can consider:
1. Get rid of the TU/TD system entirely.
2. Get rid of TD and keep only TU.
3. Keep both but show who cast the TD vote.

I think I can safely assume you are also annoyed by the TU/TD system.

It is not my intention the defend or support the existing system. Either way it does not bother me at all.

I do have some difficulty understanding what it is that is so upsetting about it to some.

By the way, have ever given a TD to anyone?

Peter Jonas · Oct 27, 2012

Sammy Yousef said:
Sammy Yousef wrote:

Sammy Yousef said:

Peter Jonas wrote:

On the other hand if you ignore them, they will soon go and try to annoy sombody else.

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You are sorely mistaken.

I am not mistaken. I have a different opinion. And it is not the same thing.

Sammy Yousef said:
"Don't feed trolls" is the WORST possible strategy. It allows the troll's opinions to rule unchallenged. I've seen that attitude take boards down.

And I have a different opinion because my personal very relevant experience is different.

Sammy Yousef said:
Sammy Yousef said:

In my opinion the TU/TD system should not be taken very seriously. One cannot please everyone. No matter how constructive your contribution is, there may always be someone who thinks otherwise. Don't worry about those people. Just look after yourself.

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The ability to anonymously insult people here is ridiculous.

That is the key to it all.

Do not take that as an insult. Case solved.

Since2007 · Oct 27, 2012

Peter Jonas said:
Peter Jonas wrote:

Peter Jonas said:

aus4ever wrote:

There are at least 3 options that DPR can consider:
1. Get rid of the TU/TD system entirely.
2. Get rid of TD and keep only TU.
3. Keep both but show who cast the TD vote.

Click to expand...

I think I can safely assume you are also annoyed by the TU/TD system.

It is not my intention the defend or support the existing system. Either way it does not bother me at all.

I do have some difficulty understanding what it is that is so upsetting about it to some.

By the way, have ever given a TD to anyone?

Sorry to disappoint you, I am not annoyed by the system. I am just not convinced that it is working.

Perhaps DPR can confirm that, I do use TU a lot, but so far I have used neither the TD nor the Ignore button. I intend to keep it that way.

I think you should know that given your rather heated exchange with the OP, you are on the list of suspects. ; )

happysnapper64 · Oct 27, 2012

Sammy Yousef said:
Sammy Yousef wrote:

Sammy Yousef said:

happysnapper64 wrote:

People are being dragged from their beds & beaten to death in this world & you are worried about a thumbs down. Sorry you get one from me also. Now grow up.

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This is just a way of saying you don't want to hear it. Concerns are legitimate on a number of levels. Just because there are people dying in the world, doesn't mean my problems shouldn't matter. Such a lack of empathy leads to a horrific world where anything but outright torcher is excused as being "not that bad".

Incidentally I remember posting about the loss of my dog last year and being ridiculed because I was grieving a dog when people are dying. That is also completely irrational and out of place.
These are exactly the kinds of responses that lead to a degradation of freedom, and a belittlement of the human condition on all levels.

Since2007 · Oct 27, 2012

Since2007 said:
aus4ever wrote:

Since2007 said:

Peter Jonas wrote:

Since2007 said:

Sammy Yousef wrote:

Anonymous thumbs down has to be THE single worst moderation idea I've seen implemented in a long time.

Click to expand...

The people who give you anonymous thubms down do that to you in order to annoy you and/or upset you.

By starting a thread like this you are showing to them that they are susseeding. You are giving them satisfaction ans an incentive to keep doing it.

On the other hand if you ignore them, they will soon go and try to annoy sombody else.

In my opinion the TU/TD system should not be taken very seriously. One cannot please everyone. No matter how constructive your contribution is, there may always be someone who thinks otherwise. Don't worry about those people. Just look after yourself.

Click to expand...

There are at least 3 options that DPR can consider:
1. Get rid of the TU/TD system entirely.
2. Get rid of TD and keep only TU.
3. Keep both but show who cast the TD vote.

Peter Jonas · Oct 27, 2012

Since2007 said:
aus4ever wrote:

Since2007 said:

Peter Jonas wrote:

Since2007 said:

aus4ever wrote:

There are at least 3 options that DPR can consider:
1. Get rid of the TU/TD system entirely.
2. Get rid of TD and keep only TU.
3. Keep both but show who cast the TD vote.

Click to expand...

I think I can safely assume you are also annoyed by the TU/TD system.

It is not my intention the defend or support the existing system. Either way it does not bother me at all.

I do have some difficulty understanding what it is that is so upsetting about it to some.

By the way, have ever given a TD to anyone?

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Sorry to disappoint you, I am not annoyed by the system. I am just not convinced that it is working.

I am not dissapointed, but I read your previous post wrong. It's never safe to assume. Sorry.

Since2007 said:
Perhaps DPR can confirm that, I do use TU a lot, but so far I have used neither the TD nor the Ignore button. I intend to keep it that way.

That is very generous of you. No need for anyone to confirm it. Your saying so is perfectly fine. I am not conducting an investigation. I am just interested to find out how others are using the system.

Since2007 said:
I think you should know that given your rather heated exchange with the OP, you are on the list of suspects. ; )

I cannot help but to think that way too. I was even in two minds about posting here. In the end I decided to do so, because I had voiced the same opinion on a number of other threads long before this discussion started.

If the OP asked me if I was one of those people bullying him with all these TDs, I would tell him how it is. Unfortunately, the OP has all to often thought that I have cheated, so for him my answer may not have much value.

When I felt strongly about a post I have given some TDs to posters. However, I am also on record for coming clean with my reasons for it if anyone questioned why they got those TDs.

Yes, I have have had some heated exchanges with the OP. I feel though, that I have played a major part in calming the heat of these exchanges, not allowing things to totally get out of control.

When I entered the discussion in the thread that later turned out to be the most heated exchange the OP and I had, the OP already had had a few TDs, and he complained about it too on the trhead. I declared then, that I had not given him any TDs on that thread. After that, it was clear (at least to me), that I was not going to give him any on that thread, since I was involed in a direct exchange with him, and there was no reason to do anything anonymously.

I generally use the TD/TU system to indocate my opinion in an indirect way when I do not want to get directly involved with the discussion. I have given TDs when I thought something was factually wrong, but I have also done so on occasions where I just thought the idea conveyed was unreasonable or downright outrageous.

Actually, the first time I read the guide lines for the use of the TU/TD system was just a few hours ago on this thread. Now I know that TDs should only express an opinion if the opinion is that the post is not contributing anything to the discussion. So I have to admit that some of the TDs I have given may not have been in complete accordance with those guide lines, yet, I do not feel I have abused the system.

This also the reason I do not take the TDs and TUs too seriously. Even if it is a popularity contest I do not mind. TDs do not offend me at all, nor are my TDs intended to offend anyone else.

That is just how I see it.

Peter Jonas · Oct 27, 2012

Since2007 said:
aus4ever wrote:

Since2007 said:

aus4ever wrote:

Since2007 said:

Peter Jonas wrote:

Since2007 said:

Sammy Yousef wrote:

Anonymous thumbs down has to be THE single worst moderation idea I've seen implemented in a long time.

Click to expand...

The people who give you anonymous thubms down do that to you in order to annoy you and/or upset you.

By starting a thread like this you are showing to them that they are susseeding. You are giving them satisfaction ans an incentive to keep doing it.

On the other hand if you ignore them, they will soon go and try to annoy sombody else.

In my opinion the TU/TD system should not be taken very seriously. One cannot please everyone. No matter how constructive your contribution is, there may always be someone who thinks otherwise. Don't worry about those people. Just look after yourself.

Click to expand...

There are at least 3 options that DPR can consider:
1. Get rid of the TU/TD system entirely.
2. Get rid of TD and keep only TU.
3. Keep both but show who cast the TD vote.

Click to expand...

pebar_Walsall · Oct 27, 2012

Is this thread an experiment to find out how many thumbs down one post can solicit?

nikkorwatcher · Oct 27, 2012

OP seems to be complaining the thumbs down button allows users to express that they don't like him or his posts. Isn't that what they are there for? So what does he want to do, decree it impossible to criticise him á la Josef Stalin? Perhaps the truth is just that he is the oversensitive sort who would be safer steaming his face under a flannerl over a hot bowl.

Sammy Yousef · Oct 27, 2012

I can handle a heated exchange. It is unfortunate that it got personal.

Would I fall over from shock if I found out you were giving me thumbs down? No. Are you my first suspect? No.

I refuse to directly accuse anyone without proof. However it's hard to have an opinion and stick to your guns on this board without attracting trolls. It could even be some random person that does it because it makes them feel like they can manipulate the world. Who knows? Do I really want to know who it is? Nup. It doesn't matter. They're not my family, they're not my friend, and they're not anything else to me, so why should I get upset or lose sleep. If I am annoyed by anything it is that this board has changed in such a way as to allow this kind of behaviour to go essentially unchecked.

Sammy Yousef · Oct 27, 2012

pebar_Walsall said:
pebar_Walsall wrote:

Is this thread an experiment to find out how many thumbs down one post can solicit?

No.

Sammy Yousef · Oct 27, 2012

Peter Jonas said:
Peter Jonas wrote:

Peter Jonas said:

Sammy Yousef wroteThe ability to anonymously insult people here is ridiculous.

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That is the key to it all.

Do not take that as an insult. Case solved.

That amounts to denial that a problem exists.

A board where every single thing I say is an anonymous popularity contest is unpleasant and off-putting to me. When exactly did I register as a contestant in a reality TV show?

Sammy Yousef · Oct 27, 2012

nikkorwatcher said:
nikkorwatcher wrote:

OP seems to be complaining the thumbs down button allows users to express that they don't like him or his posts. Isn't that what they are there for? So what does he want to do, decree it impossible to criticise him á la Josef Stalin? Perhaps the truth is just that he is the oversensitive sort who would be safer steaming his face under a flannerl over a hot bowl.

You're kidding right? Because I don't like an anonymous system of criticism that is open to abuse and trolling, you're comparing me to the archetypal ruthless communist dictator. Yeah that's rational and proportional. Do you even know your history? Do you realise that good people were destroyed in the 50s through false accusations and McCarthyism? Are you aware of the irony here at all? Do do you just throw in dictator's names without actually knowing the history because it sounds good in your head?

If criticism bothered me I'd have left long ago. But there's criticism and then there's extreme trolling and abuse. Which do you think you're demonstrating here?

Peter Jonas · Oct 27, 2012

Sammy Yousef said:
Sammy Yousef wrote:

Sammy Yousef said:

Peter Jonas wrote:

Sammy Yousef said:

Sammy Yousef wroteThe ability to anonymously insult people here is ridiculous.

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That is the key to it all.

Do not take that as an insult. Case solved.

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That amounts to denial that a problem exists.

Exactly!

The problem only exists because you make it one. If you did not worry about the TDs, the problem would not exist.

Yes, the existence of the phenomenon (giving TDs ) is absolute. But making a problem out of the phenomenon is relative, and it is up to you how you see it.

Peter Jonas · Oct 27, 2012

Peter Jonas said:
Peter Jonas wrote:

Peter Jonas said:

aus4ever wrote:

Peter Jonas said:

aus4ever wrote:

Peter Jonas said:

Peter Jonas wrote:

Peter Jonas said:

Sammy Yousef wrote:

Anonymous thumbs down has to be THE single worst moderation idea I've seen implemented in a long time.

Click to expand...

The people who give you anonymous thubms down do that to you in order to annoy you and/or upset you.

By starting a thread like this you are showing to them that they are susseeding. You are giving them satisfaction ans an incentive to keep doing it.

On the other hand if you ignore them, they will soon go and try to annoy sombody else.

In my opinion the TU/TD system should not be taken very seriously. One cannot please everyone. No matter how constructive your contribution is, there may always be someone who thinks otherwise. Don't worry about those people. Just look after yourself.

Click to expand...

There are at least 3 options that DPR can consider:
1. Get rid of the TU/TD system entirely.
2. Get rid of TD and keep only TU.
3. Keep both but show who cast the TD vote.

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

Since2007 · Oct 27, 2012

nikkorwatcher said:
nikkorwatcher wrote:

OP seems to be complaining the thumbs down button allows users to express that they don't like him or his posts. Isn't that what they are there for? So what does he want to do, decree it impossible to criticise him á la Josef Stalin? Perhaps the truth is just that he is the oversensitive sort who would be safer steaming his face under a flannerl over a hot bowl.

I think you haven't read this earlier post from fotowbert yet.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50141292

Mako2011 · Oct 27, 2012

Sammy Yousef said:
Sammy Yousef wrote:
Do I really want to know who it is? Nup. It doesn't matter. They're not my family, they're not my friend, and they're not anything else to me, so why should I get upset or lose sleep. If I am annoyed by anything it is that this board has changed in such a way as to allow this kind of behaviour to go essentially unchecked.

That's the thing, it really does matter to you and for no good reason. Starting this thread is an indication of that. This is a text only forum and you have to choose to participate to be "bullied" as you put it. It's like saying, it really hurts every time I bang my head on the brick wall over there. Stop banging your head on that brick wall and stop blaming the wall. You do have control over your own mind, you seem not big on exercising that control.I understand that.

As for the TU/TD, I like it far more than TU only. It's a window into the way people see things and a form of feedback. Up to the individual how they use it or what they take from it. I find it fascinating the different takes people have on it. It's a kind of expression apart from just text here. Kind of neat to see in action, IMO. Good Luck

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