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I know, we just got a firmware update for the NEX-7.

And it indeed removes the magenta cast in the corners when I use my SEL 16mm. But the solution for the movie button disable is kind of inconvenient, having to dig deep in the setup to enable the menu button everytime I want to do a movie clip. Also still didn't get comfortable using the TRI-NAV even after almost a year of using it. So, if Sony came up with a NEX-7R with the spec list below somwhen next year, I'd be in for it.

Would like to know what you guys think:

- Put in a sensor with same excellent color reproduction and dynamic range as in the current 7, but without any wide-angle lens issues. If it can't be 24MP, make it 16.

- Fixed mode dial, with C1, C2 options as the alpha 99 has

- PDAF that is as fast as Nikons V1, and works at least down to f/8

- Higher flash sync speed and a little more flash power (GN10)

- Dual SD card slot

- dust and drip water sealing

And how about a high quality, fixed f/4 16-70 or 15-60 with OSS...
 
To start with, thanks to Sony for building such a nice camera. It's the best in it's class there's no doubt.


But there is always room for improvement and that's what the market dictates and you have to improve if you want to sell more cameras.



Make a multi angle tilt screen, so you can tilt when in the portrait position also. As it is it's only useful 50% of the time. I've seen this on lower budget cameras.


Touch screen. That focus point selection is WAY faster than by button.



Make the monitor to where it really is a 3" size. As it is it's only 2-5/8" actual image displayed. This is one of the weakest points of this camera. Heck while we're wishing let's bring it up to 3.5", if you look at it there's probably room, with the black edge border it measures that to the very edge anyway. Three inch actual has been available for years on P&S's at a 1/4 of this price and 3" is not even really enough when you are trying to compose/focus a 24mp image.





Realtime screen image line out so you can connect to a laptop and monitor your image in real time. They already have this for a smart phone connection, and what is that really worth since a smart phone screen is not appreciably larger? Lets do this for a laptop connection, it could even be hard wired although wireless might be preferred. I can imagine a bracket on the tripod to hold the laptop. How much better would it be for composition and focus to be able to monitor real time on a laptop size screen?




Better customization options for the Triple Dial Controls. As it is there's 5 different modes selectable with the navigation button for the 3 dials. About 2 or 3 of these I never use. So that's 3 x the 3 dials, 9 dials total that could be used for things I would like to quick access. But if you look at the items selectable to custom map to these buttons it's very limited and not really anything that isn't already available by quick access. Make ALL the options in the entire menu available to these custom positions, you never know what any particular user might want to use quickly and frequently. These dial controls make things quick and the menu method of accessing things is really slow.

With the main dial on the back make the NSEW click positions with a little bit stronger spring. As it is when trying to turn the dial it will accidentally click one of the compass positions, consequently I don't have anything custom mapped to the East position as it would always be getting accidentally selected.

Make the movie button harder to press so it can't be pressed accidentally. Like more recessed. The software option of disabling this button is not as good because then you can't quick access it when needed.


Make the soft keys so you can feel them by touch (raised?) As it is if you are looking through the EVF you can't find them with your finger.

Not sure if it's possible but a longer lens, like 10X, that stores to a shorter position, like to at least the size of the 18-55 would be nice. Personally I wouldn't care if it compromised IQ just a little bit.
 
Nexographer said:
Nexographer wrote:
. Also still didn't get comfortable using the TRI-NAV even after almost a year of using it.
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Check out David Busch's "Sony A NEX-7" it really clarified the use of the Triple Dial Controls for me. It becomes really fast and easy to use.


Nice post BTW, agree with you about the movie button


Nexographer said:
- Put in a sensor with same excellent color reproduction and dynamic range as in the current 7, but without any wide-angle lens issues. If it can't be 24MP, make it 16.
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Hey, how about 20MP?


I agree if they are putting 24mp on the same dimension sensor as started with 16mp then they must be compromising something.
 
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Dagnar said:
Dagnar wrote:
Dagnar said:
Nexographer wrote:
. Also still didn't get comfortable using the TRI-NAV even after almost a year of using it.
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Check out David Busch's "Sony A NEX-7" it really clarified the use of the Triple Dial Controls for me. It becomes really fast and easy to use.


Nice post BTW, agree with you about the movie button
Dagnar said:
- Put in a sensor with same excellent color reproduction and dynamic range as in the current 7, but without any wide-angle lens issues. If it can't be 24MP, make it 16.
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Hey, how about 20MP?


I agree if they are putting 24mp on the same dimension sensor as started with 16mp then they must be compromising something.
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Well, it's not like I can't make use of the Triple Dials; I have to admit it does come handy to access functions otherwise buried in menues. What I don't like is the default setting, i.e in aperture priority mode (what I use most). Just the way you adjust aperture with the left dial and exp compensation with the right dial is kind of confusing, plus I sometimes hit the exposure compensation dial by accident, while on other occasions it seems to lag, I dial and on the first dial nothing happens, then I dial again, and it does 0.7 EV compensation. Maybe a better SW debouncing would help, but what would help if the dials were more resistive and had more defined clicks, or would only engange by pressing a button at the same time. I just don't get it why they can't make those dials work like they have been on (D-)SLR's for ages.
 
Wish list for NEX-7W (for wireless)

1) Wireless connectivity and apps preferably 3rd party as well through an open API. Allow apps to install/run from SD card.

2) Ability to save up to 8 user settings and name/label them (a P&S mode for my wife, a panorama mode, an astrophotography mode, a sports mode, time lapse mode, etc). Perhaps make these saved settings custom scenes, so that they can be quickly activated. Or even better: add a physical preset button that cycles through these saved custom configurations.

3) Touch screen for menu navigation, focus point and metering point selection (separately).

4) Allow every menu item to appear in custom keys and more custom functions on custom key (scroll them) or allow the creation of a custom menu tree.

5) Make iAuto a true Point and Shoot mode, resetting everything including setting Auto-Focus mode, turning peaking off etc. or even better: add such a P&S mode/custom scene in addition to iAuto (see also #2)

6) Keep the tri-navi - I love it.

7) Give the tri-navi dials a function in iAuto mode, for example program shift, digital zoom or picture effects.

8) In addition to disabling the video button, add an option to have to press the video button 2 times quickly to start video and relocate the button.

9) Add an option to easily focus on infinity (to be assigned to a menu or button).

10) Extend AEB to 3 or 5 exposures with up to 2EV difference between them and allow a single press of the shutter release button to make all exposures.

11) Allow upper and lower Auto-ISO limits to be set.

12) Take wireless control out of the current menu and allow wireless control of the camera while selecting AEB or burst mode for example.

13) Allow users to set the colors of the UI. Astro-photographers will want to set the colors to red for example, to preserve their night-sight. Also allow a MUCH dimmer display.

14) Implement Focus bracketing with 3-5 shots (1-2 pictures with focus behind and 1-2 in front of focus point + focus point itself).

15) Faster AF and better low-light AF using a different and more effective type of AF-assist method (laser pattern? hologram AF?).

16) Option to automatically move to the next picture when selecting pictures in play mode. This could be done after the user moved to the next picture. The direction will be kept and the cursor will move to the next photo in the same direction after selecting a picture.

17) Customizable buttons in PLAY mode, for example to delete pictures or enter a selection.

18) Make the built in flash able to control another flash wirelessly.

19) USB3 speed connectivity.

20) Allow wire-trigger via USB for example.

21) Allow full camera control via an app on iOS and/or android - including live-preview and review after shooting.

22) Predictive AF for burst shots of moving subjects (Canon's "servo-AI").

23) Allow user defined lens profiles for vignetting-, chromatic aberration- and distortion-compensation and allow users to select the current lens profile to be used. The profile could be made by making multiple pictures of a certain printable pattern at different apertures/focus combinations.

24) More high-end G-series e-Mount (zoom)lenses with f/2.8 fixed.

25) Higher capacity batteries.

26) Make the camera aware if somebody is holding it to shoot or if it is hanging around a neck (to allow better standby initiation / avoid unnecessary focus hunting).

27) GPS or an option to get the current location from an app running on an iOS or android device.

28) Keep the EVF and the flash - love it.

29) Focus trap (release when something is in focus in a focus point)

30) Exposure stacking in all PASM modes with user selectable ISO (like HHT currently, but then in all modes).

31) Allow re-use of the dark frame when shooting multiple shots with longer exposure.

32) Add time-lapse functionality (after x seconds, take y shots every z seconds with exposure abc and optional AEB)

33) Allow USB power to power the camera.

34) Faster charger.

35) Allow backup of settings to SD.

36) In-camera purple/green CA correction in addition to cyan/red.

37) Focus stacking (for macro: fuse the sharpest parts of 3 or 5 shots with different focus allowing low ISO, acceptable shutter speeds and avoiding diffraction at high apertures)

That's about it. =;-)

This will never happen of course.

But it sure would be my dream camera. =;-)
 
-- Keep the 24MP, or go to 30 or 32. There is already a very nice 16MP NEX. Some of us need high resolution.


-- Fully articulated LCD, along the lines of the a77. Something equally useful in portrait orientation.


-- Touch screen. What made Sony think people with EVFs don't also want touchscreen.

-- WiFi, but that's probably a given.

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Features already in 5r and 6: Touch screen, wifi, hybrid pdaf autofocus, add on apps

Much needed features lacking in nex: Use of external flash, af assist

Most Important features: In body image stabilization. Especially because a mount lenses don't have os due to alpha slt cameras having it. People would buy sigma lenses instead for the os, losing potential sales. Also not all sigma lenses have it. e.g. the lower end 70-300.

choice of higher quality kit lens: Maybe have a g zoom as 1 of the kit lens options. 16-50f 2.8 would be nice or 17-70 f2.8 - 4

Focus range limiter functions, same as what was released on the a99 recently.
 
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Nexographer said:
Nexographer wrote:

I know, we just got a firmware update for the NEX-7.

And it indeed removes the magenta cast in the corners when I use my SEL 16mm. But the solution for the movie button disable is kind of inconvenient, having to dig deep in the setup to enable the menu button everytime I want to do a movie clip. Also still didn't get comfortable using the TRI-NAV even after almost a year of using it. So, if Sony came up with a NEX-7R with the spec list below somwhen next year, I'd be in for it.

Would like to know what you guys think:

- Put in a sensor with same excellent color reproduction and dynamic range as in the current 7, but without any wide-angle lens issues. If it can't be 24MP, make it 16.

- Fixed mode dial, with C1, C2 options as the alpha 99 has
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I prefer the Tri-Navi, but I would like custom settings and faster response time changing settings.
Nexographer said:
- PDAF that is as fast as Nikons V1, and works at least down to f/8
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Agreed. Not a deal breaker for me, but it would be nice.
Nexographer said:
- Higher flash sync speed and a little more flash power (GN10)
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• 1/4000sec native flash snyc. Not HSS.
Nexographer said:
- Dual SD card slot
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No room for it now, don't want them to increase the size just to accommodate a 2nd card.
Nexographer said:
- dust and drip water sealing
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fine, but it's not an issue for me.
Nexographer said:
And how about a high quality, fixed f/4 16-70 or 15-60 with OSS...
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Agreed. I'd like to see a 16-80/2.8-4 OSS Zeiss. but I'd also like to see a 16-200 F3.5-5.6 OSS (it would have to equal my 18-200 OSS in IQ though.)

Other things I would add:
• Add built-in Wireless Flash Commander (via pop up flash).
• Fully electronic shutter (silent operation, bracketing).
• Touchscreen LCD.
• 1/8000sec max shutter speed.
• Selectable Grid lines: Golden selection, Golden Triangles, etc.
• 720p @ 120 or 240fps.
• Video crop as in Canon T3i.
• A flash PC sync port (or a dirt cheap adapter).
• 1/3rd stop ISO settings.
• 10fps for minimum of 60 shots (6 sec). And an ultra fast clearing buffer and as the buffer empties, still allow full operation of the camera.

That ought to do (for now). If they add, all this, I might upgrade.
 
Everyone keeps putting A touch screen as a want list personally I hate touch screens since I use the evf view finder, having a touch capable would just confuse the shooting for me, I like to keep my paws of the LCD screen, Wifi maybe, registration of different setups, in menu. standard hotshoe, though Thanks Sony for the firmware updatem and Yes if they give us so more functions with another updatem I would be a Sony owner forever
 
Give the IR facility a menu of its own and keep it away from self timers, brackets, etc. Then I can use a wireless remote for a burst of shots, not just a single shot while away from the camera setup on a tripod. Panasonic have that nailed just perfectly.

And......... of course FF would be nice even in a slightly larger box.

Thats my little selfish wish list. Of course you folks will want quite a few things by the looks and thats fair enough, I understand completely. Nice to think about.

All the best and hope you all get what you want.

Danny.
 
nzmacro said:
nzmacro wrote:
hope you all get what you want.
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...for that - look how very little was actually realized by FW 1.0 --> FW 1.01 :( and not for the lack of very many various wish-lists here and elsewhere (perhaps the "most powerful being that published inside the Luminous Landscapes review in Nov-Dec 2011),

in fact... what happens is that we do our own collective psychotherapy here by verbalizing these wishes and daydreams :LOL


jpr2
 
jpr2 said:
jpr2 wrote:

in fact... what happens is that we do our own collective psychotherapy here by verbalizing these wishes and daydreams :LOL
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LOL I know what you mean :-)

The thing is, that if dreams were not free, i would be broke.......hang on I am :-)

All the best in France and thank goodness those dreams are free.

Danny.
 
"The – Argggg – Menu System

Sony has done a commendable job in improving the NEX control and menu system since the original NEX 5. That camera was so hampered in this regard that it was risible. The 5n is a vast improvement, but with the NEX-7, while we now have a control dial interface that is quite excellent, the menu system simply isn't up to the quality of the rest of the camera. In fact, it's quite horrid.



Let me give you an example. Take the AF/MF button (please). To be able to use it as a one press (instead of having AF on the shutter release) you have to first venture into the Menu, select the Camera icon, then scroll to AF/MF select. Press the center button, then turn the scroll wheel to MF. Now, return to Menu, and then go to the Setup section icon. Go to AF/MF control (yes, same name but it's a different one), press the center button and select Hold. Got that? Once done, you have now decoupled autofocusing and the shutter release. This is a way of working that a lot of photographers use regularly, myself included.

But, if you'd now like to return to having autofocus on the shutter release, and instead have the AF/MF switch between autofocus and manual focusing, you need to re-enter the Camera menu, switch AF/MF to AF, and then also return to the Setup menu and set the AF/MF control to Toggle.

Oh, and did I mention that AF Area and AF Mode are also in the Camera Menu, while AF Illuminator and MF Assist are in the Setup menu? Please Sony! Pretty please. Get someone to rationalize your NEX-7 menu system. It really is a dog's breakfast at the moment.

Not a single review has yet had anything nice to say about the NEX-7's menu system, and no doubt as cameras begin to arrive in knowledgable users hands we'll hear more about this on discussion forums.

We can only hope that Sony takes head of our comments and dedicates their "A" team of interface designers to completely revamping and rationalizing the NEX-7 menu system. The recommendations are not all out there. Maybe we can hope for a major firmware upgrade by mid-2012.
The Need for Personalized Settings

At the risk of repeating myself, I'm going to say it again. The NEX-7 desperately needs user customizable settings. This is a sophisticated and complex camera, with a wide variety of special modes and settings. Switching between them, in part because of the poorly designed menus, is a frustrating process that is time consuming and requires a lot of memorization of where things are and how to get to them.

As good as the NEX-7 is, and in my view it is probably the most most exciting camera that I've seen in years, until it is given custom user settings it will fail to live up to its promise. These are only a firmware upgrade away, so please Sony, let us have them soon".

the source: and the LL review was so long time ago :)


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jpr2 said:
jpr2 wrote:
jpr2 said:
nzmacro wrote:
hope you all get what you want.
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...for that - look how very little was actually realized by FW 1.0 --> FW 1.01 :( and not for the lack of very many various wish-lists here and elsewhere (perhaps the "most powerful being that published inside the Luminous Landscapes review in Nov-Dec 2011),

in fact... what happens is that we do our own collective psychotherapy here by verbalizing these wishes and daydreams :LOL


jpr2
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DuncanDovovan said:
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...as a whole - in the sense that I think the technical means are already there, and yet we didn't get so far neither of:
  • a truly FF interchangeable MILC body with a built-in EVF;
  • excellent UI with plethora of external/traditional knobs and wheels controls;
  • efficient, built-in fast and accurate AF, capable of critically focusing for even extreme action shooting & tracking;
the excellent HDAF on 2.7x crop Nikon bodies is a small light in a long tunnel though; although I'm inclined to believe that perhaps the only hope for serious photogs to get a MILC of their dreams might lay elsewhere from all currently big players, that is in the open system of layered, multimodal, multi-mount architecture
DuncanDovovan said:
DuncanDovovan said:
jpr2 wrote:
DuncanDovovan said:
nzmacro wrote:
hope you all get what you want.
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...for that - look how very little was actually realized by FW 1.0 --> FW 1.01 :( and not for the lack of very many various wish-lists here and elsewhere (perhaps the "most powerful being that published inside the Luminous Landscapes review in Nov-Dec 2011),

in fact... what happens is that we do our own collective psychotherapy here by verbalizing these wishes and daydreams :LOL
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Hahahaha. That is a good one. Guess you are right.
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tric3imagery said:
tric3imagery wrote:

Everyone keeps putting A touch screen as a want list personally I hate touch screens since I use the evf view finder, having a touch capable would just confuse the shooting for me, I like to keep my paws of the LCD screen,
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Don't worry. If they make it like the 5N you can turn off the touch feature if you want to.
 






nzmacro wrote:
nzmacro said:
Give the IR facility a menu of its own and keep it away from self timers, brackets, etc. Then I can use a wireless remote for a burst of shots, not just a single shot while away from the camera setup on a tripod.
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Agree, the drive mode menu should be separate. Whatever drive mode is set the remote should just trip the shutter.






 
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