Lightweight lenses from ultra-wide to normal matching the demands of the D800E sensor?

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I have my D800E since May and as lenses I currently use Zeiss 21/2.8, Samyang 35/1.4, Zeiss 50/2 Macro and Nikon 105/2.8 VR Micro.


In the last two months I did a lot of hiking in the alps, sometimes spending the whole day hiking and having 8 Kg of gear on my back (including the rucksack itself, tripod, food and water) becomes very uncomfortable after a few hours. So I am seeking for ways to reduce the weight while maintaining a high image quality of course.


My first thoughts were to buy a Nikon 24-70/2.8 and a Nikon 20/2.8. The zoom lens would also have the additional benefits of easier use of filters because I would not have to change the filter everytime I change the focal length and the need of step-up-adapters would be greatly reduced. Using them is increasingly getting on my nerves! ;-) 24-70/2.8 + 20/2.8 would save me about 650 grams compared to my current gear (the Nikon 105/2.8 VR will definitely stay because I want to have a good Macro lens at that focal length). Does not sound too much but believe me: I am glad for anything that saves at least half a kilo because this already matters a lot when hiking the whole day.



However, I have read that the 24-70/2.8 is not quite the best performer on a D800E, especially when focused to infinity which I would do quite a lot as I love taking photos of landscapes. As this is probably the best standard zoom lens I am thinking of prime lenses again.


What is your opinion about this: Nikon 20/2.8, Zeiss 35/2 ZF.2, AF-S 50/1.4? This would even save me some more grams than the 20/2.8 + 24-70/2.8 solution and the image quality should definitely be better. I could even save another 200 grams if I would buy a Nikon 28/1.8 instead of a Zeiss 35/2 (which unfortunately is quite heavy) and the resolution of the Nikon should almost match the Zeiss or even perform on the same level. However, the abberations of the Zeiss lens are better corrected and I like the bokeh more, so I think I won't buy the Nikon 28/1.8.


The mentioned lenses also would have the advantage of having only two different filter sizes (including the filter size of the Nikon 105/2.8 VR).



What are your opinions about the three mentioned lenses regarding the demands of the 36 MP sensor of the D800E? I wonder if the Nikon 20/2.8 can match the performance of the famous Zeiss 21/2.8. At least stopped down to f/8 (better f/5.6 for shooting inside buildings) I'd like to have a good corner-to-corner sharpness. The same goes for the Nikon AF-S 50/1.4. Can it match the Zeiss 50/2 already at f/2 or f/2.8 since I would also like to use it for shallow DOF photography? Of course I am only talking about center sharpness and contrast when talking about shallow DOF photography. I don't need corner-to-corner sharpness at 50mm below f/5.6



Do you have any other great lightweight (!) alternatives in the mentioned focal length range (Ultra-wide can be from 17mm and above)?


I only need personal experiences with these lenses on high-resolution cameras (D3X, D600, D800/E) as I can read reviews at photozone, lenstip etc. myself ;-)


Thanks a lot for any advice and feedback!
 
quintana wrote:

I have my D800E since May and as lenses I currently use Zeiss 21/2.8, Samyang 35/1.4, Zeiss 50/2 Macro and Nikon 105/2.8 VR Micro.


In the last two months I did a lot of hiking in the alps, sometimes spending the whole day hiking and having 8 Kg of gear on my back (including the rucksack itself, tripod, food and water) becomes very uncomfortable after a few hours. So I am seeking for ways to reduce the weight while maintaining a high image quality of course.


My first thoughts were to buy a Nikon 24-70/2.8 and a Nikon 20/2.8. The zoom lens would also have the additional benefits of easier use of filters because I would not have to change the filter everytime I change the focal length and the need of step-up-adapters would be greatly reduced. Using them is increasingly getting on my nerves! ;-) 24-70/2.8 + 20/2.8 would save me about 650 grams compared to my current gear (the Nikon 105/2.8 VR will definitely stay because I want to have a good Macro lens at that focal length). Does not sound too much but believe me: I am glad for anything that saves at least half a kilo because this already matters a lot when hiking the whole day.



However, I have read that the 24-70/2.8 is not quite the best performer on a D800E, especially when focused to infinity which I would do quite a lot as I love taking photos of landscapes. As this is probably the best standard zoom lens I am thinking of prime lenses again.


What is your opinion about this: Nikon 20/2.8, Zeiss 35/2 ZF.2, AF-S 50/1.4? This would even save me some more grams than the 20/2.8 + 24-70/2.8 solution and the image quality should definitely be better. I could even save another 200 grams if I would buy a Nikon 28/1.8 instead of a Zeiss 35/2 (which unfortunately is quite heavy) and the resolution of the Nikon should almost match the Zeiss or even perform on the same level. However, the abberations of the Zeiss lens are better corrected and I like the bokeh more, so I think I won't buy the Nikon 28/1.8.


The mentioned lenses also would have the advantage of having only two different filter sizes (including the filter size of the Nikon 105/2.8 VR).



What are your opinions about the three mentioned lenses regarding the demands of the 36 MP sensor of the D800E? I wonder if the Nikon 20/2.8 can match the performance of the famous Zeiss 21/2.8. At least stopped down to f/8 (better f/5.6 for shooting inside buildings) I'd like to have a good corner-to-corner sharpness. The same goes for the Nikon AF-S 50/1.4. Can it match the Zeiss 50/2 already at f/2 or f/2.8 since I would also like to use it for shallow DOF photography? Of course I am only talking about center sharpness and contrast when talking about shallow DOF photography. I don't need corner-to-corner sharpness at 50mm below f/5.6



Do you have any other great lightweight (!) alternatives in the mentioned focal length range (Ultra-wide can be from 17mm and above)?


I only need personal experiences with these lenses on high-resolution cameras (D3X, D600, D800/E) as I can read reviews at photozone, lenstip etc. myself ;-)


Thanks a lot for any advice and feedback!
Well you are facing a similar issue as me. Mostly I stay with the D800 plus Sigma 120-300 OS and leave other lenses at home in order not to have to haul too much weight around. However without longer telephoto reach you are better of.


One solution besides good zoom lenses is: less is more. Simply leave some lenses at home and concentrate on what you have with you. Find out which lenses you have really used a lot in which situations and leave the others at home.

In the mountains a zoom lens has substantial advantages because it may be very hard or impossible to zoom on foot. If the 24-70 lacks corner sharpness use the 5:4 or 1.2 crop mode.


Is the Samyang really up to the task with the D800e? There is a very good Sigma 50 2.8 macro that may be used instead of the Zeiss. Tamron has a very good 24-70 2.8.

Another solution is a dedicated much lighter setup for hiking based e.g. on the Olympus OM-D EM5 and selected lenses. Then you have to 'survive' with 16 mpix.
 
quintana wrote:

Do you have any other great lightweight (!) alternatives in the mentioned focal length range (Ultra-wide can be from 17mm and above)?


I only need personal experiences with these lenses on high-resolution cameras (D3X, D600, D800/E) as I can read reviews at photozone, lenstip etc. myself ;-)


Thanks a lot for any advice and feedback!
I feel your pain.

It is a bit difficult to give specific advice without spending a lot of personal research on the weight of each of your components. Maybe you could provide this for us and list what you have width the weight of each part?

My D800, 16-35mm f/4, 50mm f/1.4, 85mm f/1.8 and 105mm f/2.8 have a total weight around 3100g if I am not mistaken (995g + 680g + 280g + 350g + 790g). When hiking I occasionally leave the 85mm at home although it is only 350g. The tripod is of course also a big dilemma since heavy is good but there are of course lightweight alternatives.
 
light_bulb wrote:

Well you are facing a similar issue as me. Mostly I stay with the D800 plus Sigma 120-300 OS and leave other lenses at home in order not to have to haul too much weight around. However without longer telephoto reach you are better of.
I am really glad that I very rarely feel the need for more than 105mm when I go hiking so I don't need to carry the very heavy tele lenses.
One solution besides good zoom lenses is: less is more. Simply leave some lenses at home and concentrate on what you have with you. Find out which lenses you have really used a lot in which situations and leave the others at home.
I very rarely need the 105mm/2.8 but if I do I really have to rely on it because even with 36 MP it would cost a lot of resolution to crop the image out of a photo taken with 50mm. And of course I can not do macros with the 50mm lens. I could with the Zeiss but it's too heavy compared to the AF-S 50/1.4 and it can not be used for serious (!) macro photography as it can only go down to 1:2.
In the mountains a zoom lens has substantial advantages because it may be very hard or impossible to zoom on foot. If the 24-70 lacks corner sharpness use the 5:4 or 1.2 crop mode.
That's true. I didn't think of this advantage of a zoom in the mountains. But I don't like the idea of using the 1.2 crop mode. It's like saying "I want a car that can go 250 km/h but hmm... I can not afford the gas it needs for this speed, so I just drive at 150 km/h" ;-) Of course I would occasionally have to crop the pictures taken with the prime lenses anyway when I can not zoom by foot properly but where I can the quality advantage sjould be obvious!
Is the Samyang really up to the task with the D800e? There is a very good Sigma 50 2.8 macro that may be used instead of the Zeiss. Tamron has a very good 24-70 2.8.
The Samyang 35/1.4 is great on the D800E, at least stopped down a little. I usually use f/5.6 where I can regarding foreground and background sharpness (of course I often have to stop down to f/8 or f/11) and at f/5.6 the Samyang definitely matches the sharpness of the Zeiss 35/2 that I had for a while. Even the corner-to-corner performance is great and I consider myself a pixel peeper ;-) But I would replace it with the Zeiss 35/2 because I don't need the f/1.4 aperture and the Zeiss saves almost 150g as far as I remember. And it has by far the best bokeh I have seen from any 35mm lens (didn't compare it to Leica though).


I can not imagine that the Tamron is as good as the Nikon and they have serious QC issues from what I have heard.
Another solution is a dedicated much lighter setup for hiking based e.g. on the Olympus OM-D EM5 and selected lenses. Then you have to 'survive' with 16 mpix.
No, that is impossible. I have switched cameras a lot in the last 3 years because I was always looking for THE ultimate camera regarding image quality and the D800E is definitely it. I am still amazed about the record-breaking dynamic range of the RAWs, the High ISO performance and the per-pixel-detail this sensor is able to deliver. I don't need all these features in 95% (or even more) of my shots but when I do I am very glad to have them. And "to have is better than to need" ;-)
 
quintana wrote:
light_bulb wrote:

Well you are facing a similar issue as me. Mostly I stay with the D800 plus Sigma 120-300 OS and leave other lenses at home in order not to have to haul too much weight around. However without longer telephoto reach you are better of.
I am really glad that I very rarely feel the need for more than 105mm when I go hiking so I don't need to carry the very heavy tele lenses.
One solution besides good zoom lenses is: less is more. Simply leave some lenses at home and concentrate on what you have with you. Find out which lenses you have really used a lot in which situations and leave the others at home.
I very rarely need the 105mm/2.8 but if I do I really have to rely on it because even with 36 MP it would cost a lot of resolution to crop the image out of a photo taken with 50mm. And of course I can not do macros with the 50mm lens. I could with the Zeiss but it's too heavy compared to the AF-S 50/1.4 and it can not be used for serious (!) macro photography as it can only go down to 1:2.
In the mountains a zoom lens has substantial advantages because it may be very hard or impossible to zoom on foot. If the 24-70 lacks corner sharpness use the 5:4 or 1.2 crop mode.
That's true. I didn't think of this advantage of a zoom in the mountains. But I don't like the idea of using the 1.2 crop mode. It's like saying "I want a car that can go 250 km/h but hmm... I can not afford the gas it needs for this speed, so I just drive at 150 km/h" ;-) Of course I would occasionally have to crop the pictures taken with the prime lenses anyway when I can not zoom by foot properly but where I can the quality advantage sjould be obvious!
Is the Samyang really up to the task with the D800e? There is a very good Sigma 50 2.8 macro that may be used instead of the Zeiss. Tamron has a very good 24-70 2.8.
The Samyang 35/1.4 is great on the D800E, at least stopped down a little. I usually use f/5.6 where I can regarding foreground and background sharpness (of course I often have to stop down to f/8 or f/11) and at f/5.6 the Samyang definitely matches the sharpness of the Zeiss 35/2 that I had for a while. Even the corner-to-corner performance is great and I consider myself a pixel peeper ;-) But I would replace it with the Zeiss 35/2 because I don't need the f/1.4 aperture and the Zeiss saves almost 150g as far as I remember. And it has by far the best bokeh I have seen from any 35mm lens (didn't compare it to Leica though).


I can not imagine that the Tamron is as good as the Nikon and they have serious QC issues from what I have heard.
Another solution is a dedicated much lighter setup for hiking based e.g. on the Olympus OM-D EM5 and selected lenses. Then you have to 'survive' with 16 mpix.
No, that is impossible. I have switched cameras a lot in the last 3 years because I was always looking for THE ultimate camera regarding image quality and the D800E is definitely it. I am still amazed about the record-breaking dynamic range of the RAWs, the High ISO performance and the per-pixel-detail this sensor is able to deliver. I don't need all these features in 95% (or even more) of my shots but when I do I am very glad to have them. And "to have is better than to need" ;-)
Sometimes, compromises need to be made or you have to carry the full burden.

I am still keeping my Olympus FT gear because it makes up for a lighter package and is weather sealed.
 
gomoku wrote:

It is a bit difficult to give specific advice without spending a lot of personal research on the weight of each of your components. Maybe you could provide this for us and list what you have width the weight of each part?
OK, let me try:


D800E: 1000g, Zeiss 21/2.8: 600g, Samyang 35/1.4: 660g, Zeiss 50/2: 530g, Nikon 105/2.8 VR: 760g. Lowepro Flipside 300AW: 1200g OR Flipside 400AW: 1600g (depending on how much food/water I need), Feisol CT 3401 tripod: 1200g (which is very good for a an affordable, sturdy tripod with a maximum height of 132cm), Benro B2 ballhead: 460g.

This already adds up to 6410g on my back (with Flipside 300W) or 6810g (with Flipside 400AW). Add another 100-200g for Filters, Step-Up-Adapters etc. and a varying amount of food and water which can range from 1000g to 2500g depending on how far I am hiking.
My D800, 16-35mm f/4, 50mm f/1.4, 85mm f/1.8 and 105mm f/2.8 have a total weight around 3100g if I am not mistaken (995g + 680g + 280g + 350g + 790g). When hiking I occasionally leave the 85mm at home although it is only 350g. The tripod is of course also a big dilemma since heavy is good but there are of course lightweight alternatives.
I sometimes leave the tripod at home but I always feel bad about it and I often curse when I have to use ISO 800 or above for scenes that I think are good enough that they deserve the best quality possible.
 
quintana wrote:

I have my D800E since May and as lenses I currently use Zeiss 21/2.8, Samyang 35/1.4, Zeiss 50/2 Macro and Nikon 105/2.8 VR Micro.

My first thoughts were to buy a Nikon 24-70/2.8 and a Nikon 20/2.8. ...However, I have read that the 24-70/2.8 is not quite the best performer on a D800E, especially when focused to infinity which I would do quite a lot as I love taking photos of landscapes. As this is probably the best standard zoom lens I am thinking of prime lenses again.
For pixel peeping you would be giving up some sharpness, expecially in the corners, with the 24-70mm. The 24-70 is weakest at 24mm. It is better at 35mm, but probably not as good as the Samyang. You would gain more precise framing that with primes, so that could compensate if you needed to crop the image from a prime.

For printing, the resolution wouldn't be a major issue unless you print quite large. What you might notice is a difference in microcontrast.

I would probably take fewer lenses on each trip and concentrate on images for the lenses I had at the time.

There are reasons lens designers use all that glass in heavy lenses. Going light weight will give up something.

My experience with the 105mm Micro is that it is not the best choice for shooting at infinity. Unless you are only taking it for macro, and need the working distance (insects), I would take my 60mm Micro instead.
 
For hiking I use a momopod that is also a sturdy walking stick. I have the same type of ball head on it that I used on my tripod. I have worked on being the other two legs of the tripod myself and it works pretty well for most daylight shots. Of couse it's still not a tripod, but it's a hell of a lot lighter and useful on every step I take. :-)
 
AlexBakerPhotoz wrote:

For hiking I use a momopod that is also a sturdy walking stick. I have the same type of ball head on it that I used on my tripod. I have worked on being the other two legs of the tripod myself and it works pretty well for most daylight shots. Of couse it's still not a tripod, but it's a hell of a lot lighter and useful on every step I take. :-)
 
If you want something that will max out the available abilities of the D800, you will find the lenses to be larger and more heavy.

I have the pro lenses but after a while you realize that you want a smaller and lighter lens just to carry around all day. In fact that is why I bought a D600 to use as my point and shoot camera while the D4 stays at home!
 
quintana wrote:
AlexBakerPhotoz wrote:

For hiking I use a momopod that is also a sturdy walking stick. I have the same type of ball head on it that I used on my tripod. I have worked on being the other two legs of the tripod myself and it works pretty well for most daylight shots. Of couse it's still not a tripod, but it's a hell of a lot lighter and useful on every step I take. :-)
 
quintana wrote:
gomoku wrote:

It is a bit difficult to give specific advice without spending a lot of personal research on the weight of each of your components. Maybe you could provide this for us and list what you have width the weight of each part?
OK, let me try:


D800E: 1000g, Zeiss 21/2.8: 600g, Samyang 35/1.4: 660g, Zeiss 50/2: 530g, Nikon 105/2.8 VR: 760g. Lowepro Flipside 300AW: 1200g OR Flipside 400AW: 1600g (depending on how much food/water I need), Feisol CT 3401 tripod: 1200g (which is very good for a an affordable, sturdy tripod with a maximum height of 132cm), Benro B2 ballhead: 460g.

This already adds up to 6410g on my back (with Flipside 300W) or 6810g (with Flipside 400AW). Add another 100-200g for Filters, Step-Up-Adapters etc. and a varying amount of food and water which can range from 1000g to 2500g depending on how far I am hiking.
My D800, 16-35mm f/4, 50mm f/1.4, 85mm f/1.8 and 105mm f/2.8 have a total weight around 3100g if I am not mistaken (995g + 680g + 280g + 350g + 790g). When hiking I occasionally leave the 85mm at home although it is only 350g. The tripod is of course also a big dilemma since heavy is good but there are of course lightweight alternatives.
I sometimes leave the tripod at home but I always feel bad about it and I often curse when I have to use ISO 800 or above for scenes that I think are good enough that they deserve the best quality possible.
Again, the 16-35mm f/4 is something you should consider if you go down to f/5.6 or f/8 anyways. For handheld the VR makes sense and the total weight is almost half of your 21mm and your 35mm combined. I'd also go for the 50mm f/1.8 which is very lightweight compared to your Zeiss.

But, the biggest gain can be found in the tripod. Consider the monopod or a very light and short travel tripod with a small head. I guess you can save a kilo right there.

Obviously this is always a heap of compromises and only you can decide what works for you.
 
gomoku wrote:

Why don't you give the 16-35mm f/4 VR a try? The VR is more useful for a wide angle than you think and easily gives you 2-3 stops more.
I sometimes like to have shallow DOF with a wide angle lens. So I don't want to have an aperture worse than f/2.8 at 35mm.
 
quintana wrote:
gomoku wrote:

Why don't you give the 16-35mm f/4 VR a try? The VR is more useful for a wide angle than you think and easily gives you 2-3 stops more.
I sometimes like to have shallow DOF with a wide angle lens. So I don't want to have an aperture worse than f/2.8 at 35mm.
I did a fair bit of hiking / climbing in Scotland over a long period of time. I understand the dilemma very well. For me it was as much about the weight as it was about the time needed to get all of the gear out, set up and take a shot. I found (and this is just me) that if I had to stop, take off my pack, dig out the camera, and get it out of the waterproof bag, I only took a few shots.

I longed for the day that I could get a DSLR quality photo from a camera that would fit in my jacket pocket. It would be waterproof already and I could get it out in stride.


That day arrived. There are quite a few options out there that fit in a jacket pocket and give DSLR (of 2 years ago) quality. I used a 5D MKII for thousands of shots, so I can honestly say that the images I am taking now with a pocketable camera are as good as those were. They don't match my D800E, but...

I went with the Fuji X-Pro1, but now with the XE-1 (exactly the same sensor) it would be even lighter. I can take the Body and three primes (24 f2, 50 f1.4, 90 f2.4), including a psudo-macro 90mm for less weight than the D800E body alone! Not to mention the much lighter tripod for the same stability.



It is not for everyone I know, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

If I were going to a once in a lifetime location, I'd bite the bullet and carry the Nikon. But for frequent outings, it is the Fuji.
 
quintana wrote:
AlexBakerPhotoz wrote:

For hiking I use a momopod that is also a sturdy walking stick.
Up to now this is the best advice in this thread *THUMBS UP* :-) I never had this idea before but if it helps to have less ISO equivalent to 2-3 stops this would already help a lot. ISO 200/400 instead of 1600 is a huge difference if you are looking for the best quality possible. Do you think a monopod is enough to take 1/10s or even 1/5s shots of waterfalls or rivers with a focal length of 20/24 to 35m? Maybe if I took 5 pictures and selected the sharpest?
I thought this would be a good idea for a trip I took to England and Wales. Most of the time I had enough light for reasonable shutter speeds. However, I lost a lot of images in a fern canyon near Betws-y-Coed. It was dark enough that I had to use slow shutter speeds, and all my images had motion blur. Some people might be able to get away with 1/15s on a monopod, but I couldn't.
 
How about?

Nikon 20mm f/2.8 + 28mm f/1.8g + 85mm f/1.8g OR Nikon 20mm f/2.8 + 35mm f/2 + 85mm f/1.8g.
 
quintana wrote:
AlexBakerPhotoz wrote:

For hiking I use a momopod that is also a sturdy walking stick. I have the same type of ball head on it that I used on my tripod. I have worked on being the other two legs of the tripod myself and it works pretty well for most daylight shots. Of couse it's still not a tripod, but it's a hell of a lot lighter and useful on every step I take. :-)
 
The Samyang 35/1.4 is great on the D800E, at least stopped down a little. I usually use f/5.6 where I can regarding foreground and background sharpness (of course I often have to stop down to f/8 or f/11) and at f/5.6 the Samyang definitely matches the sharpness of the Zeiss 35/2 that I had for a while. Even the corner-to-corner performance is great and I consider myself a pixel peeper ;-) But I would replace it with the Zeiss 35/2 because I don't need the f/1.4 aperture and the Zeiss saves almost 150g as far as I remember. And it has by far the best bokeh I have seen from any 35mm lens (didn't compare it to Leica though).
The bokeh on the Zeiss 35/1.4 is even nicer, but it's a tad heavier (900g) :)


I went the other way with 50s, started with the 1.4G hated it, got the 1.8G wasn't happy with that, and now have the Zeiss 50/2 MP. The Nikons go through horrendous focus shift from f/2 to f/2.8 AND f/2.8 to f/4. The Zeiss has no focus shift and has much better IQ to boot. Are you prepared to give all that up?

The Zeiss 35/2 is really nice - probably better as an all round lens than their 35/1.4 certainly for your purposes.

For 28, the Zeiss 28/2 is very good and again has no focus shift (but some field curvature). Many of the Nikkor fast primes - all of at least the AF-S ones except the 35/1.4G as far as I know - have issues with focus shift.


With DSLRs and the need for a retrofocus design, weight and IQ unfortunately go hand in hand... Good luck squaring the circle!
 
quintana wrote:

I have my D800E since May and as lenses I currently use Zeiss 21/2.8, Samyang 35/1.4, Zeiss 50/2 Macro and Nikon 105/2.8 VR Micro.


In the last two months I did a lot of hiking in the alps, sometimes spending the whole day hiking and having 8 Kg of gear on my back (including the rucksack itself, tripod, food and water) becomes very uncomfortable after a few hours. So I am seeking for ways to reduce the weight while maintaining a high image quality of course.


My first thoughts were to buy a Nikon 24-70/2.8 and a Nikon 20/2.8. The zoom lens would also have the additional benefits of easier use of filters because I would not have to change the filter everytime I change the focal length and the need of step-up-adapters would be greatly reduced. Using them is increasingly getting on my nerves! ;-) 24-70/2.8 + 20/2.8 would save me about 650 grams compared to my current gear (the Nikon 105/2.8 VR will definitely stay because I want to have a good Macro lens at that focal length). Does not sound too much but believe me: I am glad for anything that saves at least half a kilo because this already matters a lot when hiking the whole day.



However, I have read that the 24-70/2.8 is not quite the best performer on a D800E, especially when focused to infinity which I would do quite a lot as I love taking photos of landscapes. As this is probably the best standard zoom lens I am thinking of prime lenses again.


What is your opinion about this: Nikon 20/2.8, Zeiss 35/2 ZF.2, AF-S 50/1.4? This would even save me some more grams than the 20/2.8 + 24-70/2.8 solution and the image quality should definitely be better. I could even save another 200 grams if I would buy a Nikon 28/1.8 instead of a Zeiss 35/2 (which unfortunately is quite heavy) and the resolution of the Nikon should almost match the Zeiss or even perform on the same level. However, the abberations of the Zeiss lens are better corrected and I like the bokeh more, so I think I won't buy the Nikon 28/1.8.


The mentioned lenses also would have the advantage of having only two different filter sizes (including the filter size of the Nikon 105/2.8 VR).



What are your opinions about the three mentioned lenses regarding the demands of the 36 MP sensor of the D800E? I wonder if the Nikon 20/2.8 can match the performance of the famous Zeiss 21/2.8. At least stopped down to f/8 (better f/5.6 for shooting inside buildings) I'd like to have a good corner-to-corner sharpness. The same goes for the Nikon AF-S 50/1.4. Can it match the Zeiss 50/2 already at f/2 or f/2.8 since I would also like to use it for shallow DOF photography? Of course I am only talking about center sharpness and contrast when talking about shallow DOF photography. I don't need corner-to-corner sharpness at 50mm below f/5.6



Do you have any other great lightweight (!) alternatives in the mentioned focal length range (Ultra-wide can be from 17mm and above)?


I only need personal experiences with these lenses on high-resolution cameras (D3X, D600, D800/E) as I can read reviews at photozone, lenstip etc. myself ;-)


Thanks a lot for any advice and feedback!
1.You won't be satisfied with 20mm f2.8 (with the glass you have been used to) unless if you stop it down to at least 5.6...

2. The 28 f1.8 is a good lens but I've decided to keep my 2.8AI-s classic that I own for 26 years, it's slightly better than f1.8 at comparative apertures but mainly (to me) the 2.8 is MF and I only use MF with DOF in WAs...

3. The 50 f1.4 G ? ...go for it!

4. The 24-70 has sample variations on field curvature..., an experienced one can work around even a "bad" one... the lens is "bulky" for the purpose described and it needs the (huge) hood if you hate flare (as I do)... it's more a lens for a working pro's job, not for your requirement!

5. The Samyang you have is great!

6. The 105vr is great! ...again a little bulky!
 
I suggest taking another look at some other carefully chosen third-party lenses. The best of these lenses are often superior optically to the Nikon equivalent, just as well made, and often lighter. Especially the macros. Some of the ones I have good luck with are the Sigma 50mm f2.8 macro (which was mentioned before and which is a better landscape lens than the Nikon 50's in my opinion) and the Tokina 100mm f2.8 macro. I have heard chatter about quality control issues, but have never experienced problems: both these lenses required no focus adjustment for me on the D800; they are both quite solidly made and extremely sharp across the whole field.
 

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