Swapping media - I am going mad somebody help me

jkirk@oz · Apr 30, 2003

DomT said:
DomT wrote:
It would seem that the card is dud or you may have dirty contacts.
Could I suggest dipping an artists brush in CRC or similar &
carefully wiping the CF contact pins you can see in the camera?
OK JKirk?

NOOOOO, CRC is for '66 chevvies mate, not electronics. In fact without opening the camera DO NOT spray even iso-propyl or 1,1,1-trichloro into the slot. ONLY air. The MPU and main cache are right UNDER the card slots AND they're BGA !!! You ain't NEVER cleaning those suckers if you get residue under them. I'd be starting to think the camera is bung :-(
JKirk

jkirk@oz · Apr 30, 2003

Sorry mate but it's getting close to the final judgement, faulty camera :-(
Last 2 questions -

1/ Are the batteries fully charged, did you try it with AC adapter AND batteries installed ?

2/ Have you tried the MD and CF in any other device, can you test them somewhere?

If the answer is YES to above, we're going to have to come to that final judgement. Sorry.
JKirk

Gordon Robb said:
Gordon Robb wrote:
I have just replaced my 512 MB CF card for a 1GB Microdrive. I am
still getting the 'card not initialised' message that I got before.

DomT · Apr 30, 2003

jkirk@oz said:
jkirk@oz said:

DomT wrote:
It would seem that the card is dud or you may have dirty contacts.
Could I suggest dipping an artists brush in CRC or similar &
carefully wiping the CF contact pins you can see in the camera?
OK JKirk?

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jkirk@oz said:
jkirk@oz wrote:
NOOOOO, CRC is for '66 chevvies mate, not electronics. In fact
without opening the camera DO NOT spray even iso-propyl or
1,1,1-trichloro into the slot. ONLY air. The MPU and main cache are
right UNDER the card slots AND they're BGA !!! You ain't NEVER
cleaning those suckers if you get residue under them. I'd be
starting to think the camera is bung :-(
JKirk

Hang on. I did say 'dipping' & 'carefully'. There was no hint or suggestion of spraying a can full in the slot! I've done this many times on IC & PCB test fixtures without any problems. And I use blue can 'electronic' CRC.

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DomT NZKiwi

sg10146235 · Apr 30, 2003

Gordon Robb said:
Your right, you have not read every word.

I only formated in the PC in desparation, as my camera would not do
it. I have now successfully formatted in the camera.

If it just started working with no changes then obviously something was broken previously.

Gordon Robb said:
I am only switching off between times that I am using the camera -
I think that it is OK to switch the camera off when you are not
using it.

That doesn't resemble anything you've previously said, which was precisely...

"Put it in my machine, turned the knob to 'setup' and switched it
on. I changed the memory to CF and switched off. Turned the knob
to auto, switched on and got the 'card not initialized' error. I only
tried to format it (which failed) and run it in my laptop because
I got this error."

Perhaps you should reread everything you've stated thus far and restate correctly what you are doing if you want some help.

Gordon Robb said:
sg10 said:

1) Why are you using a computer to format cards?
2) Why are you powering on/off during card switches?

Neither is required, nor can I find it recommended anywhere. Try
this..

Put the MD in, go to Setup, select CF, go straight to play mode,
press the menu/ok button, select format, format the card.

If the normal method doesn't work, something is defective.

Gordon Robb said:

Does this sound like a camera fault?

photobob said:

Gordon Robb said:

I have just replaced my 512 MB CF card for a 1GB Microdrive. I am
still getting the 'card not initialised' message that I got before.

However, I have managed to get it to work a couple of times,
depending on the sequence I follow changing from SM to CF.

Can someone please tell me the exact sequence to follow as I think
I am close to sending the whole lot back, and going back to film.

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May I suggest that since you've had trouble with both CF and
Microdrive from the start, that the camera itself may be at fault?
It could be that the CF socket has a badly soldered connection to
the circuit board. I would suggest swapping cameras. I've never had
a card not initialized error on CF, just SM after I switch from CF,
and turning the camera off and back on clears that. Having the
problem most of the time instead of the reverse is far from normal.

Bob

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Gordon Robb · May 1, 2003

Came to that judgement last night.

I was running in the AC adapter last night with the same problem.

Both devices work in my PC, I am going to try to get a chance to try them in another 602, but this is unlikely as I bought it on the internet and I don't think a local shop will let me mess about.

Will most like try to send the camera back today.

Thanks for all your help.

jkirk@oz said:
jkirk@oz said:

Gordon Robb wrote:
I have just replaced my 512 MB CF card for a 1GB Microdrive. I am
still getting the 'card not initialised' message that I got before.

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jkirk@oz · May 1, 2003

For sh*ts sake mate, take it easy.

This is a "public" forum and not everyone is as knowledgeable as you. They certainly can't read your mind (a small mercy). Luckily some had waited and found out - oh, we use the "blue can" !! Pity anyone else. If you want to offer advice, try to be accurate and detailed because "partial" advice can be worse than NONE at all. Many of my threads are probably too long, but I make sure I am as careful as I can to NOT make mistakes or be misunderstood. AND IF someone questions something I say, I don't flame them or abuse them. You, my friend, have a very bad attitude problem and frankly, I don't think your input is worth the aggravation you create.

It doesn't matter if they spray or dab, there is a GOOD possibility of getting fluid onto the PCB on the MPU. In THIS particular "poor" design I replied with a STRONG caution, after all, didn't you ask for my advice ??
JKirk

DomT said:
DomT wrote:
Hang on. I did say 'dipping' & 'carefully'. There was no hint or
suggestion of spraying a can full in the slot! I've done this many
times on IC & PCB test fixtures without any problems. And I use
blue can 'electronic' CRC.

DomT said:
DomT said:

jkirk@oz wrote:
NOOOOO, CRC is for '66 chevvies mate, not electronics. In fact
without opening the camera DO NOT spray even iso-propyl or
1,1,1-trichloro into the slot. ONLY air. The MPU and main cache are
right UNDER the card slots AND they're BGA !!! You ain't NEVER
cleaning those suckers if you get residue under them. I'd be
starting to think the camera is bung :-(

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DomT said:
DomT said:

DomT said:

DomT wrote:
It would seem that the card is dud or you may have dirty contacts.
Could I suggest dipping an artists brush in CRC or similar &
carefully wiping the CF contact pins you can see in the camera?
OK JKirk?

Click to expand...

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DomT · May 1, 2003

jkirk@oz said:
jkirk@oz wrote:
For sh*ts sake mate, take it easy.
This is a "public" forum and not everyone is as knowledgeable as
you. They certainly can't read your mind (a small mercy). Luckily
some had waited and found out - oh, we use the "blue can" !! Pity
anyone else. If you want to offer advice, try to be accurate and
detailed because "partial" advice can be worse than NONE at all.
Many of my threads are probably too long, but I make sure I am as
careful as I can to NOT make mistakes or be misunderstood. AND IF
someone questions something I say, I don't flame them or abuse
them. You, my friend, have a very bad attitude problem and frankly,
I don't think your input is worth the aggravation you create.
It doesn't matter if they spray or dab, there is a GOOD possibility
of getting fluid onto the PCB on the MPU. In THIS particular "poor"
design I replied with a STRONG caution, after all, didn't you ask
for my advice ??
JKirk

Thanks for you reply. What I said was perfectly valid & true - Any CRC will do. I have used all kinds on small electronic parts with much success. delicacy & care are all that is needed. Since you obviously lack expertise and experience in this area it would be far better to admit it than to try & shout down someone who does know. Your stance & attitude is disgraceful and not suitable at all for a public forum. I would strongly suggest you quitely retire to a small hole where you can rest up until you learn to keep your mouth shut. I understand now why the wife ran away!
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DomT NZKiwi

MikeBee · May 1, 2003

Hey guys!

It's obvious you both have time on your hands

I have a thought

I have looked at the much vaunted faq site and see that not much has been added , especially on the vexed issue of cf cards and other areas that you both seem to have knowledge in.

It seems such a pity that all this energy is going into this southern hemisphere battle of the giants.. why not put it to some other use and collaborate on some beefed up contributions to the faq.

Otherwise can we get tickets for the forthcoming schoolyard brawl

Mike Bee

jkirk@oz · May 1, 2003

Sorry mate,

I make it a rule to get out once the mud pies start flying

. I do like to get "one" good throw in though.

MikeBee said:
... can we get tickets for the forthcoming schoolyard brawl

chris gunn · May 1, 2003

jkirk@oz said:
For sh*ts sake mate, take it easy.
This is a "public" forum and not everyone is as knowledgeable as
you. They certainly can't read your mind (a small mercy). Luckily
some had waited and found out - oh, we use the "blue can" !! Pity
anyone else. If you want to offer advice, try to be accurate and

I am surprised to say that Doms post was not excitable or excessive,
but this one of yours is!

It must be the stress of a distance relationship. Personaly, I make

do by playing lots of judo (Womans off in Japan). Good harmless fun! Strangling people does wonders for the nerves.

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cheers!

Gunn

jkirk@oz · May 1, 2003

Thanks for the concern, but I'm fine

I live a perfectly stress-free life (its from my ol' hippie roots), maybe you should offer that advice to others instead

JKirk
oh, I see you're from NZ too

chris gunn said:
chris gunn wrote:
I am surprised to say that Doms post was not excitable or excessive,
but this one of yours is!
It must be the stress of a distance relationship. Personaly, I make
do by playing lots of judo (Womans off in Japan). Good harmless
fun! Strangling people does wonders for the nerves.

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