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DavidP #28649 said:
Of course, that's not the real goal of the "tree huggers".
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Of course not. Because there's no inherent value in wild and natural land, outside of being plowed and having McDonalds built, and being visited by 4 million people a year. Alaska really needs to be one giant Yosemite, or Grand Canyon, with top dollar hotels and strip malls. For the glory of mankind.
 
Nobody is better equipped to decided on how the drilling goes than those of us who actually live here. And I don't mean a bunch of Texans and Okies living in the suburbs of Los Anchorage...there are a lot of outsiders on both sides of the battle who forget that somebody lives up here, and some of us have been living here for 10,000 years.

The oil industry has been pretty good to Alaska, but it would have walked all over the state if we had allowed it. No locals would have been hired if the out of state oil industry union halls had been able to have their way. No Indians or Eskimos would have had jobs on the slope.

At the same time, environmentalists have been able to raise big bucks to push their causes in Alaska, often to the detriment of those who live here. Seems to me Houston and LA need a lot more environmental help than Alaska does.

Alaska has always been a place people journeyed to to get rich quick. When they had their stash they went back to Seattle or San Francisco or Texas. The ones who stayed were the ones who couldn't afford the fare home. But the locals have learned from the bad experiences with the fur trade, the gold rush, the fisheries, and the rapacious logging in Southeast. We're trying to manage resources with an eye to the future. Someday ANWR will be drilled. But until that happens, the oil will stay safe and sound where it is.

Zidar
Alaska
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It's not about stuff.
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zidar said:
Nobody is better equipped to decided on how the drilling goes than
those of us who actually live here.
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What da ya know? If 51% of the USoA votes to bake Alaska or pipe it where the sun don't shine, whattya all gonna do about it?

This is a democratsee, ain't it?

(Sorry, couldn't resist acting like an ivory tower elite. Not sure if I got the lingo right.)
 
Forrest41926 said:
Not really. An "ivory tower elite" would at least understand the
difference between a democracy and a republic, no?
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Not my college profs. They're always flinging out the D word. Especially when Gore lost. ("Is this a democracy or not! Did he not win a majority or not!")
 
What part of Grand Staircase-Escalante are you referring to when you say parts are off limits to the public? I've spent more than a few days there in the past few years and don't know of any place that is off limits, unless you mean off limits to driving over in a 4WD.

There's been a lot of what I would consider misinformation regarding GSENM in many publications, including one recently in backpacker saying how the Bush administration changed some rules and there will be more paved roads. Anyone that's been there knows there are no paved roads other than the state highway around the perimeter that has been there since before the monument was founded. There has also been several attempts to pave the Hole In the Rock road for many years, including one Utah governor. It is still one of the most washboard dirt roads I've ever driven on.
glowluzid said:
The state of UT had a state park, fully under one of the best
wilderness protection and tourist control policies in the nation,
and still, Clinton ursurped Grand Staircase-Escalante for the
federal government.

Even worse, some of what could be visited, was staged off limits to
all public. though, if you're an environmentalist of the correct
political party, you get in.
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"They" (being the Hollywood tree-huggers) couldn't figure out how to start their own lawnmowers, much less figure out how to provide energy for a country.

Their "solution" is simple. WE must sacrifice, while they don't.

Sorry, but I don't like their solution very much.

No matter what kind of energy production you throw at them, they won't like it.
Jung said:
Jung57676 said:
I'd like to see THEM figure out how to produce enough energy to
meet the demands of the US, with minimal impact, and without
raising costs so much that people (other than themselves, of
course) couldn't afford it.
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Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
glowluzid said:
glowluzid said:
Not really. An "ivory tower elite" would at least understand the
difference between a democracy and a republic, no?
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glowluzid said:
Not my college profs. They're always flinging out the D word.
Especially when Gore lost. ("Is this a democracy or not! Did he
not win a majority or not!")
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Sounds like you're going to the wrong college... A democracy is when the people decide their matters for themselves, instead of electing people to decide the solution to their problems and their fates. My high school teachers understood this. It's pretty basic; if they don't understand the difference between a democracy and a republic, I wouldn't trust anything complicated they had to say...

Unless, of course, we're talking math teachers here. I'm sure ignorance about American politics doesn't mean they don't know about Euclidean geometry...
 
Oh come on Bill! It's not like the administration is riddled with oil industry execs. It's not like the oil industry dictates our nations energy policy. You make it sound like the administration is influenced by corporate interests.

Don't you understand, Bill, that by drilling in the ANWR, the reserve will be enhanced and be a better place for wildlife. Just like we're going to cut the amount of smog in the air by allowing individual power plants to put out more smog.

Of course, once Ashcroft issues the official US Newspeak dictionary, your heretical^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Unpatriotic thoughts won't be possible to express. War is peace.

Lisa
billtoo said:
Photographer Subhankar Banerjee spent four seasons in the Arctic
National Wildlife Refuge and his work was good enough to get him an
exhibit on the main floor of the Smithsonian - that is until his
photos were used on the senate floor to support the case against
drilling in Alaska. Subsequent to the senate "show" the exhibit
was moved from the main floor of the Smithsonian downstairs to a
room behind the cafeteria. Smithsonian officials say they decided
the photos would be displayed better downstairs.

From the L.A. Times 4/29
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Lisa Horton said:
Oh come on Bill! It's not like the administration is riddled with
oil industry execs. It's not like the oil industry dictates our
nations energy policy. You make it sound like the administration
is influenced by corporate interests.

Don't you understand, Bill, that by drilling in the ANWR, the
reserve will be enhanced and be a better place for wildlife. Just
like we're going to cut the amount of smog in the air by allowing
individual power plants to put out more smog.

Of course, once Ashcroft issues the official US Newspeak
dictionary, your heretical^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Unpatriotic thoughts
won't be possible to express. War is peace.

Lisa
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"War is Peace", never were truer words spoken. Kinda creepy how well Orwell foresaw this concept. All we need to do is change the "Dept of Homeland Security" to the "Ministry of Love" and rename FOX News to the "Ministry of Truth".

Then everything will be double-plus good...

P
 
paul mounce said:
paul mounce said:
Lisa
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"War is Peace", never were truer words spoken. Kinda creepy how
well Orwell foresaw this concept. All we need to do is change the
"Dept of Homeland Security" to the "Ministry of Love" and rename
FOX News to the "Ministry of Truth".

Then everything will be double-plus good...

P
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It worse than you want to know. Words are being stripped from our lanugage to prevent desenting thought. Think-speak is here as well as rewriting anything in the past.
 
Forrest said:
Forrest41926 said:
Not my college profs. They're always flinging out the D word.
Especially when Gore lost. ("Is this a democracy or not! Did he
not win a majority or not!")
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Sounds like you're going to the wrong college...
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Thanks for the lecture. I perfectly understand the difference already. It's whenever a republican wins a major office that the profs seem to forget what kind of government we have, and then protest/lobby for "justice" (i.e., socialistic-democracy).
 
Kurt Slater said:
What part of Grand Staircase-Escalante are you referring to when
you say parts are off limits to the public?
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I could be wrong, being a lowly michigander. But some Utahns I know (mtb biker friends/relatives) tell me that biking used to be allowed and is now prohibited in regions. There are other areas (perhaps not in GSE) of Utah or mountain west that the feds grabbed over the past few decades and protected for various reasons.

It's been a while since I heard much about this, though, so chalk it up to poor memory or misinformation if you like.
 
How many times have you heard that we're going to "make the world safe for democracy"? Or "we're gonna give the Iraqis a democratic form of gov't (like our own)"?
glowluzid said:
Thanks for the lecture. I perfectly understand the difference
already. It's whenever a republican wins a major office that the
profs seem to forget what kind of government we have, and then
protest/lobby for "justice" (i.e., socialistic-democracy).
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The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
DavidP #28649 said:
How many times have you heard that we're going to "make the world
safe for democracy"? Or "we're gonna give the Iraqis a democratic
form of gov't (like our own)"?
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I remember in Gulf War I, when they were going to "restore" democracy to Kuwait. Which is a pretty Orwellian way to redefine the word "restore." Kind of like asking what "is" is.
 
I think we are both sort of correct. I believe that all or most of GSE is designated as no offroad use; meaning you have to stick to established roads and trails, although many of them are quite rough and technical.

There are also numerous areas in southern utah that are listed as wilderness study areas, which essentially closes off the are to almost all use except for foot traffic.

I'm certainly not of the environmentalist ilk, but having seen what offroad vehicles have done to some areas of the San Rafael Swell, I think its good policy to have some areas designated as non-vehicle areas. There's plenty of land to go around in my mind.

It's funny how some people get upset over having to walk a mile to get to a spectacular slot canyon though. :)
glowluzid said:
Kurt Slater said:
What part of Grand Staircase-Escalante are you referring to when
you say parts are off limits to the public?
Click to expand...
I could be wrong, being a lowly michigander. But some Utahns I
know (mtb biker friends/relatives) tell me that biking used to be
allowed and is now prohibited in regions. There are other areas
(perhaps not in GSE) of Utah or mountain west that the feds grabbed
over the past few decades and protected for various reasons.

It's been a while since I heard much about this, though, so chalk
it up to poor memory or misinformation if you like.
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Kurt Slater
http://www.kurtslater.com
 
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