Why I sold my 10D pt 2

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2 shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some comparison shots, so here ya go!

unscientific and subjective tests tend to get mauled.....

without checking all the settings in all the shots it's hard to get a feel from an apples and apples perspective....

good luck...

SteveVideoman said:

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!

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if you take the time to do something urgent, make sure it is important .............................

yea, I know, but unfortunately I cant do the scientific shots. Just wanted to post the results I was getting in 10D shots compared to what I am getting in the S2 - Just everyday normal shots which is what I use my cam for. Thanks

Rob Martin said:

without checking all the settings in all the shots it's hard to get
a feel from an apples and apples perspective....

good luck...

SteveVideoman said:

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!

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if you take the time to do something urgent, make sure it is
important .............................

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Given the fact that at least Phil Askey was able to make some decent portraits with the 10D I wouldn't say that the 10D isn't that bad, but that the S2 fits your shooting style better.
Regards,
tc

SteveVideoman said:

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!

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Maybe..I know i am more comfotable using teh S2. Ill have to go look at Phils shots again. he always seems to get great shots. Thanks

Tom Crowning said:

SteveVideoman said:

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!

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Some digital cameras, some lenses, 2 eyes

http://www.tom-crowning.com

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Before I say this; I like the S2, but prefer the 10D.

Most of us 10D owners don't share the experiences you keep touting in your rant. What is it exactly you want out of this? I don't seem to have the problems in photography you have. I’ve seen some very awesome photos from users of the 10D posted here.

You've stated that the 10D sucks compared to your new S2. Good . . . we all have heard you loud and clear. Your cameras great, ours sucks. I’m so happy that your camera is better than mine. Are you happy now? Now go shoot some photos and have fun please.

SteveVideoman said:

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!

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Steve, you need not justify your purchase to anyone, but it was you who put yourself into that position. By making outlandish (I did not say untrue) claims, you should have realized the flak it will generate.

If the workflow of the S2 gets you where you want to be better than the 10D, then that is a fair statement. However, some of your other claims are simply too tempting for some to pass up on.

I am not trying to be confrontational, but asking the questions which I am sure others want to ask as well.

SteveVideoman said:

SteveVideoman said:

SteveVideoman said:

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!

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Zero my hero

No, I never said the 10D sucks - I may have had a lemon, who knows, plus I was able to get some good shots with it. I only posted this becuase some dude in another post pretty much dared meto post comparisons becuase he probably did not believe me. The original post was 10D vs Nikon D1x - I chimed in on that post giving my experience since teh S2 is much less expensive than the D1x. It was unfair to compare the 10D to the D1x, but the 10D to the S2 is much more fair as they are close in price. No nee dto get defensive here..take it for what it is. One guys experience with both cameras.

Stephen Reed said:

SteveVideoman said:

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!

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What were your questions exactly? You did say you would like to see some comparisons, so here they are. Again, not scientific but everyday shots and everyday results. Of the comparison shots, which do you feel look better? 10D or S2?

Zero said:

If the workflow of the S2 gets you where you want to be better than
the 10D, then that is a fair statement. However, some of your
other claims are simply too tempting for some to pass up on.

I am not trying to be confrontational, but asking the questions
which I am sure others want to ask as well.

Zero said:

Zero said:

SteveVideoman said:

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!

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I don't doubt your issue with the 10D. I believe your sincerity in you reference for the S2. But others don’t share this experience. I had a choice and chose the 10D. I don’t feel it is any better than the D100 or the S2. It just fit my needs very well and produces the shots more in tune with my style.

It’s true at this stage you are only going to draw pointless heat. If people are not satisfied with their camera they will sell it or not buy it at all. Believe me . . . If I shared your problem I would have ditched the camera long ago, but I don’t have any issues with the 10D that discourage me.

I prefer to visit all of the DSLR boards and see the cool photographs people share regardless of camera. When visiting I pretend like I’m visiting someone else’s home and try to respect the group. I may ask questions or debate, but I will never declare one camera better than onother.

SteveVideoman said:

No, I never said the 10D sucks - I may have had a lemon, who knows,
plus I was able to get some good shots with it. I only posted this
becuase some dude in another post pretty much dared meto post
comparisons becuase he probably did not believe me. The original
post was 10D vs Nikon D1x - I chimed in on that post giving my
experience since teh S2 is much less expensive than the D1x. It was
unfair to compare the 10D to the D1x, but the 10D to the S2 is much
more fair as they are close in price. No nee dto get defensive
here..take it for what it is. One guys experience with both cameras.

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This is true. Its about thepics, and what you are happy with. Ive also seen some great 10D shots, and Ive seen a lot of complaints about it dealing with the same issues. BUT if you have a good one, then its obviously a great camera, and the price is right. Some prefer canon, some prefer nikon, and some prefer fuji. Its all personal preference. I also visit all the forums and check out everyones photos and I enjoy many of them regardless of the camera used. Again, this was not meant to put down Canon, just wanted to show my experience. Thanks

Stephen Reed said:

SteveVideoman said:

No, I never said the 10D sucks - I may have had a lemon, who knows,
plus I was able to get some good shots with it. I only posted this
becuase some dude in another post pretty much dared meto post
comparisons becuase he probably did not believe me. The original
post was 10D vs Nikon D1x - I chimed in on that post giving my
experience since teh S2 is much less expensive than the D1x. It was
unfair to compare the 10D to the D1x, but the 10D to the S2 is much
more fair as they are close in price. No nee dto get defensive
here..take it for what it is. One guys experience with both cameras.

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You say : "I don't say that the 10D sucks", well when I look at your samples "10D dull no constrast" bla, it is the same thing.

Look at the full size images from your "fine" S2 from the "real" test that Stephen Eastwood did. The thing has moire all over the place.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=4971706

And as far as contrast and colors, the S2 produces them straight out of camera, where the 10D might need some more post-processing work.

I don't how you used the 10D, but my 10D colors and contrast look anything but dull, even straight out of camera !

Good luck with your S2.

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In normal everyday situations the photographer learns how to use
the equipment realises its weaknesses and compromises or adjusts
the technique to match. - This is true for every piece of photographic
equipment ive ever used.

Are you now saying that you didnt do this at all with the S2?
Maybe your naturally suited to the S2 and not the 10D, you like
the results from the S2 it suits your style - nothing wrong with
that, but why the crusade, what is your ultimate point ?

You liked the S2 Better? Good for you! I hope you enjoy the
camera and take lovey shots with it... and Im not being sarcastic here.

-Mike.

SteveVideoman said:

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!

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That you have chosen to prove your point. I'll start paying attention when you do a controlled test using a sound methodology.

What's that you say? You don't have the 10D anymore? Since you seem so intent on "enlightening" all of us clueless Canon 10D saps, maybe you might want to rent one or borrow one to conduct a sound test.

I mostly just chuckle at this stuff actually. Yeah, so what, I've noticed my 10D does blow out some highlights occasionally, but I've yet to use a prosumer P&S or DSLR that didn't do this as well. As a matter of course, I underexpose by a 1/2 or 2/3 stop with any digicam I get my hands on.

Even if this was a unique 10D problem, it's hardly reason to completely pan the camera. How about some perspective here man? Or are all the other reviewers and happy 10D users (pros and amateurs) smoking crack? Phil Askey, Steve's digicams, DCresource, Michael Reichman, and on and on.

Do you need affirmation from us that you made the right choice? Do you feel strange loving the Fuji because it isn't nearly as popular as Canon products? Or maybe you are the true believer type that honestly thinks your way is the "right" way?

Maybe you are just an earnest guy that loves his new camera and thinks everyone should have one and share the joy? If so, refer to my earlier point regarding perspective. Neither of these cameras are "bad". Can't you just move on and share your experience with a minimum of negativity towards your old flame and much positivity for your new one?

Just some thoughts...I've read a bunch of your posts from way back when you chortled from the rooftops about the 10D being the best thing since sliced bread all the way through the breakup and the blossoming of your new romance. Kinda funny, how people are fickle that way....

SteveVideoman said:

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!

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SteveVideoman said:

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!

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I'm glad you like your new camera. However, as hard as I looked, none of the problems in the 10D shots you posted are attributable to the camera -- I'm pretty sure that you would have had similar problems with the S2, had you shot the "bad" shots with it.

And, not to put too fine a point on it, why do you bother carrying around a full SLR set-up for snapshots, when a pocketable point-and-shoot would get the job done just about as well, at a far lower price, smaller "intimidation factor," and easier portability?

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I don't see the problem...

It is clearly a photographer problem, both cameras are capable of producing outstanding photo's, the S2 might be better straight out of camera, but frankly I don't care if this were true as my workflow takes 30 seconds....

And while SteveVideoMan is complaining about blownouts : There is a histogram which tells you a lot and evaluative metering won't help you a lot either....

Blowouts happen with every camera and you as a photographer should adapt to it : different metering, underexposing etc.



as long as you have fun changing your batteries....

Steve, There is another aspect to this. Ever since my first digital camera (Quicktake 150 in 1995), I have always preferred to post process my images and preferred cameras that don't do a lot of processing inside of the camera to provide me the latitude to get whatever kind of image I want. This was a necessity in the early days due to the much poorer quality of the images compared to modern cameras. Being a computer guy also pushed me in this direction. Olympus in the E10/E20 and now Canon in the 10D caters well to the post processing crowd. ( I also do lots of panoramas and they always require post processing due to the wide range of exposure, contrast, sharpening, etc. that can occur in a single panorama.) The basic effect of this is that images I take out of the camera will be neutral in color and somewhat flat in contrast. The former lets me control saturation and color better and the latter increases the dynamic range info so I can choose where I want to emphasize the detail. With this, I can get great prints after using the digital darkroom. It is just a difference in preferences and workflow. Thus for a lot of us, comparisons out of the photographer/camera are of lesser value than what we can do out of the photographer/camera/computer/printer. That is why many are leery of these kinds of comparisons and the implications of one camera being better than another. It depends on your style. I would say that with the digital darkroom, I can get good prints from the Canon or Oly that compare with prints from any camera (including the fully pro cameras on occasion where I am willing to work pretty hard at it). In fact, I will get better prints particularly when too much in camera processing makes getting a good print quite difficult. My experience is that it is more difficult to correct over processing than under processing. Just my view. Best of luck in you particular style. Leon

if you are reacting to threads in this and other forums, then this should have been posted in those threads. if you're trying to convert people, you should consider another technique such as standing around your local camera store and pressuring people who are looking at DSLRs.

if you're not trying to convert people, then i suspect you would have chosen a different subject to your thread such as "which do you prefer?" or "what did I do wrong?" or "how do you explain the differences?" not "why I sold my 10D" -- the intent of that subject line is very clear.

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SteveVideoman said:

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!

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