Your first camera? what did you learn on??

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My first camera was an Asahi Pentax SP1000, an old 35mm totally manual SLR which is a big metal workhorse which would still use for 35mm if it werent so hard to find screw mount lenses for a decent price.

after that, it was the agfa ephoto which i took back after two days, then an olympus which was taken back after a month of unsatisfactory shots, then a canon powershot a10, then the a40, and then the f717.

All in all, the a10 and a40 were some of the best point and shoots i have ever used, and the 717 is a superior camera.

I currently have the pentax, but it is in need of repair ($45 an hour plus parts), and i dont think that i will get it fixed, but will invest in a Canon AE1-P with a nice fast lens which is 58mm so i dont need to bother with converters for my current 717 stuff.

Here is a shot of the old pentax's lens. Still an amazing lens compared to the cheap consumer garbage that comes out for SLR's today.



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In the early 80s and my early teens I started to read some photography books and they all told me that I needed an SLR if I wanted to be serious. Once I'd actually worked out what an SLR was I found that the catalog store in my home town, Argus, that carried a Zenit EM SLR camera complete with flash gun and camera bag for 35 pounds. I didn't actually have 35 pounds but some negotiating with the parental units about taking on some additional household chores and I got the huge, black, solid metal, Russian camera for my birthday. Actually, I think I even got the camera a few weeks early, which was unheard of in our house, but we were going away on our first family vacation to abroad. Abroad meant instead of pulling our tiny caravan to the northern extremes of Scotland we were actually taking a ferry and going across the Channel to France! Whoopdeedoo I hear you say but when your hormones are going crazy as a young teenager and you get to go to beaches where half the women were topless instead of beaches were you needed to wear your anorak, to protect you from the rain, and a bottle of deet, to protect you from the midges (tiny mosquitos only worse), it is a big deal.



But back to the camera; in a geeky habit that remains part of my make up to this day, I'd read just about every book I could find at the public and school's library on photography in anticipation of getting an SLR. I already knew a fair bit about light readings, shutter speeds and apertures before ever holding the camera. This was a good thing or I may have quickly abandoned the Zenit and moved on to the next toy. There was nothing automated about the EM. EM could have stood for "Everything Manual". There wasn't even a battery in the beast although, unlikely some earlier models, it did at least have a light meter built in. The meter resided over the top of the lens. I would be another few years before the Russians worked out how to take readings through the lens in their consumer models.

On the long drive down to France I devoured the camera's manual, loaded one of the three films I'd bought for the trip, and taken my first two shots. Little did I know that an obsession with photography was beginning in me, as a love for all things French took over my Mum and Dad. The Zenit EM was my constant companion on that vacation and many that followed.

I loved the EM in spite of all it's quirks. Perhaps this was because my first real camera; it looked, felt and smelt like a real camera. Perhaps it was because I didn't have an alternative; I was a kid and couldn't just take the camera back to the store to exchange it for something simpler to use. The shutter made a slurp noise as you advanced the frame and primed the fabric shutter. Pressing the shutter release took some effort and resulted in a loud mechanical slap as the mirror bounced up and down. The shutter release had a small surface area which you could easily see embossed in your index finger after giving your digit the work out required to expose a frame. You had a limited range of shutter speeds to choose from and it was hard physically to pull, turn and release the selector to get the speed you wanted.

You had to take your light reading to find the appropriate aperture long before you put the viewfinder to your eye. When you did you were greeted by a ground glass screen with a small, round microprism area at its center. No split prism focusing here which meant it took a good while of focusing left and right until you were reasonably confident that your subject was focussed. There was nothing else to see inside the viewfinder but the view; no meter reading, shutter speed or aperture. The view in my modern F717 digicam can get so cluttered with feedback, including where it is focused, what the exposure will be, how much battery and memory I have left, the white balance and what the histogram of the current subject is, that it's hard to see the actual subject. No such issues with the EM. You had to be deliberate and patient to take a picture which was all right by me as film was expensive on my limited pocket money.

As for ergonomics, that word wouldn't reach England for several more years. There was nothing subtle about the EM. It was square and angular. It was heavy. If your camera strap was too long and this thing swung and hit you on the hip while you were carrying it from one shoulder, you'd know about it. Rewinding the film with the tiny thumb wheel was a long winded affair that led me to open the camera back prematurely more than once on exposed film as I was convinced it all must be back in the canister already.

Despite, or perhaps because of, the Zenit's crude mechanical nature and tractor-like engineering it made a great learning tool. I learnt about photography because I had to if I wanted to get a good shot, and the embarrassment of not getting a good shot after lugging this monster around was not an option. I'm not sure where newcomers find the inspiration to learn the technical aspects of photogaphy anymore. Modern cameras, even, and sometimes especially, the modest models, are technological marvels that want to do everything for you and often take a lot of persuasion to be convinced to let the picture taker set anything manually. Focus, aperture, shutter speed - why learn any of it when a computer inside your camera knows it all already? I sometimes hear people asking how they can learn the technical aspect of photography. Part of me wants to lend them my old Zenit so they can shoot a few rolls of film for a cheap education but it's long retired now, sitting on a shelf to remind me of how I learnt those lessons myself.

Regards - Martin
 
I'm learning on an f505v right now! I've had it for about a week and learning lots.

My mother has an old Minolta XG-10. The film advance is broken on it right now, but I might get it fixed and see if she'll let me have it. I've always wanted to dabble with a 35mm film SLR, but when the camera worked, I was too young to use it.
 
You did such a good job that you inspired me to do more...

This is the pentax asahi spotmatic SP1000. Before the world went to this sort of system, there was no light meter, there was no automatic mirror that put itself back where it belonged, and the camera world was the lesser for it.

This model came out somewhere around 1971. In asia and most of europe, it was the "Pentax Asahi", this was also true in canada.

In the united states it was the "Honeywell Pentax".

The camera itself is completely manual, aside from a small battery that operates a light meter for TTL light metering. It is spot metering only, as the name "spotmatic" might suggest.



The switch on the side that says "SW" is to turn on the light meter. There is a screen inside the viewfinder, and on the right there is a small arm that acts as a meter. If the meter is in the center, you are good to shoot and will get light results... Too dark (of the arm is too low), and you will get under exposed shots. Too light (high up), and you get over exposed shots.

The film rewind arm is here as well.

Covered up is the flash sync bottons. There were two of them, but on mine, one of the connectors fell out :( I covered it up. The camera doesnt have an active hotshoe. you need to run a small cable from the flash to the connector to get it to work.



The camera body. It wasnt pretty, but it was metal, heavy, and fuctional.



The guts of operating the camera (aside from controls on the lens)... You have the dial to set the Shutter speed on the left. You pulled this UP and set the ISO (or "asa" as it said on the dial) setting... This camera doesnt read barcodes lol.

In the center is the shutter release. You can screw a cable release in if you need to control the camera that way. It is easy to depress, but the shutter makes a loud clapping sound when you take a shot, that is why i like that the f717 has that same sort of sound.

The right is the film advance lever. on this lever is an meter to tell you what you have left to shoot.

Other than that... Nothing much else. Screw mount lens, tripod mount on the bottom. Thats all she wrote about this camera.

Good camera for a starter though, but i would recommend the K1000 for anyone that is interested in one of these now.
 
When I was 11 years old growing up in the UK I went to Boots (the chemist/pharmacy) for those in the US and bought this small 35mm Halina. It had rudimentary controls....perhaps 1/30, 1/60 and 1/120 shutter speds with maybe a 5.6-11.0 fixed lens, manual focus of course, and a viewfinder. I seem to remember it costing around 11 pounds..... man was I on cloud nine when I got it.

I loved it as much as I love my 1D and 717 now. Biggest problem was getting darkroom time at school (Fowey, Cornwall) to develop and enlarge. A very special feeling with that camera. Gave it up when I was 23 and bought a Canon FT QL, what a tank that was.....and it was an SLR, and it had a meter....Gawdddd!!!

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My first camera was an Asahi Pentax SP1000, an old 35mm totally
manual SLR which is a big metal workhorse which would still use for
35mm if it werent so hard to find screw mount lenses for a decent
price.
In high school I used my fathers Pentax Spotmatic (a precursor the camera that you started with). Later I purchased a Pentax ZX-5n and then a Pentax MX and primarily worked with those.

I never found it hard to find cheap Pentax lenses and the quality is great. I also like how small their camera bodies are compared to most 35mm cameras. I'm looking forward to the Pentax *ist D and being able to use my stockpile of Pentax lenses.

alex
 
My trustworthy Canon AT-1, circa 1977. Totally manual, except for the light meter where the needle should align with the shutter/aperture circle and the self-timer. Simple. It worked.



Loved the manual mode. Most everybody else by '77 was learning on auto everything. The AT-1's cousin was the AE-1, shutter and aperture priority auto, as well as a manual mode that almost nobody used. Its BIG brother was the A-1. That black beauty was a super cam of the day for enthusiasts, but I couldn't afford it. I found the flyer for the A-1 the other day when I was cleaning. I guess I was dreaming for higher cams then as I still do now.

Haven't used the AT-1 for 7 years now. Its a shame. Heavy, but came with great glass, and was a joy to use. Its funny that for something that wasn't very advanced, it only took a fraction of a second to set up and take a shot. Compare that with the 5 to 8 seconds with my S85, fiddling with the stupid jog dial, and shutter lag, etc., and waiting for the lens to extend.

Full manual mode was and is still my preferred method. And I like to guess the exposure and just shoot. The light meter is in my head now. Only on dimly lit situation do I use exposure bracketing or test shots.

When the dSLR comes my way (someday), I'll bet I don't ever take it off full manual then either.
  • David - Sony S85, MHG07a (wide angle adaptor), VR 360's, traditional pano's, IR's, Hoya R72, PSP-7, PanoTools...
 
My first "proper" camera is the 717 that I bought about 5 months ago.

I'd never tried my hand at photography before, so I started off only using the auto mode.

But now that I'm learning (by "hands on" practice and courtesy of this forum), I'm experimenting a lot more...

...and liking the results!!!

My Dad has a Canon AE-1, but I never really had an interest in it when I was still living at home - but my Dad absolutely swears by it. And I'll grant it this - even though it's 20 years old and coupled with it's Speedlite 199A, it still produces fantastic photos.

Steve.
My first camera was an Asahi Pentax SP1000, an old 35mm totally
manual SLR which is a big metal workhorse which would still use for
35mm if it werent so hard to find screw mount lenses for a decent
price.

after that, it was the agfa ephoto which i took back after two
days, then an olympus which was taken back after a month of
unsatisfactory shots, then a canon powershot a10, then the a40, and
then the f717.

All in all, the a10 and a40 were some of the best point and shoots
i have ever used, and the 717 is a superior camera.

I currently have the pentax, but it is in need of repair ($45 an
hour plus parts), and i dont think that i will get it fixed, but
will invest in a Canon AE1-P with a nice fast lens which is 58mm so
i dont need to bother with converters for my current 717 stuff.

Here is a shot of the old pentax's lens. Still an amazing lens
compared to the cheap consumer garbage that comes out for SLR's
today.



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Cheers,
Steven.

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My first camera was an Asahi Pentax SP1000, an old 35mm totally
manual SLR which is a big metal workhorse which would still use for
35mm if it werent so hard to find screw mount lenses for a decent
price.
Miranda !!!

Before the Miranda, I used a 126 Instamatic as a kid, but I really learned on the Miranda with a 50mm lens. Then I got "gear acquisition syndrome" :) Traded the Miranda in for a shiny new Yashica FX-3 with a 50mm lens. Eventually traded that in for a Pentax Program Plus with a Sigma zoom lens. My images suffered drastically and it wasn't until later that I learned the difference a good lens makes (the Sigma zoom was a 28-80/2.8-4 that cost $60 NEW !!!) The old Yashica 50mm lens was fantastic in comparison. Anyway, I dumped the Pentax when the Minolta Maxxum 7xi came out and haven't looked back since. I still own the 7xi and one of my first lenses, but have added a couple newer high end bodies (the 7 and the 9) and lots of 'G' series glass. I picked up a used Rollei TLR and had it cleaned & repaired for a total cost of $400 a few years back and occasionally have fun with that. First digicam was a 1MP Kodak; the F717 is my second.

Other cameras I'd love to mess around with if I had the time - a DSLR (I know that's an option in the future); a 5x7 field camera; and a Hasselblad XPan - those all seem like lots of fun !
  • Dennis
 
My first camera was an Asahi Pentax SP1000, an old 35mm totally
manual SLR which is a big metal workhorse which would still use for
35mm if it werent so hard to find screw mount lenses for a decent
price.
Miranda !!!

Before the Miranda, I used a 126 Instamatic as a kid, but I really
learned on the Miranda with a 50mm lens. Then I got "gear
acquisition syndrome" :) Traded the Miranda in for a shiny new
Yashica FX-3 with a 50mm lens. Eventually traded that in for a
Pentax Program Plus with a Sigma zoom lens. My images suffered
drastically and it wasn't until later that I learned the difference
a good lens makes (the Sigma zoom was a 28-80/2.8-4 that cost $60
NEW !!!) The old Yashica 50mm lens was fantastic in comparison.
Anyway, I dumped the Pentax when the Minolta Maxxum 7xi came out
and haven't looked back since. I still own the 7xi and one of my
first lenses, but have added a couple newer high end bodies (the 7
and the 9) and lots of 'G' series glass. I picked up a used Rollei
TLR and had it cleaned & repaired for a total cost of $400 a few
years back and occasionally have fun with that. First digicam was
a 1MP Kodak; the F717 is my second.

Other cameras I'd love to mess around with if I had the time - a
DSLR (I know that's an option in the future); a 5x7 field camera;
and a Hasselblad XPan - those all seem like lots of fun !
  • Dennis
Myself,

I would love to get to use a hasselblad medium format camera with a 22mp phase one digital back... If i had that, i would get myself up to a particular hill in town that is great for photos of the skyline, and would make some mammoth sized prints for my own enjoyment.

That would be awesome.

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It was a cheap Practika which I bought in 1979. Everything on this beast was manual - I mean everything. But it was cheap.

However, I have to say that I took some of the best pics with this camera. I dont think any of my other cameras came close to the quality of photos that this simple camera took.
 
that was 15 or so years ago when I was about to finish a degree in IT. After that Olympus AF then S70 and F717.

What have I learned? To spend 6k euros after buying F717 on lighting, accesories, etc just to look like a pro.

Did it help? No. I haven't improved my skill in photography coz I'm so lazy to pick up or understand f stops etc. =)

Cheers!

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Thanks for the trip down the memory lane! My Zenit was the "chrome" one and still works to this very day although the frame advance mechanism fails to work sometimes. Back then in my old country Prakticas and Zorkis were prized possesions and of course I could not afford neither...

I thought of listing the Zenit on eBay but somehow on some level I still love that big hunk of metal so I kept it.
Cheers!

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Bogdan

Life is beautiful
 
Myself,

I would love to get to use a hasselblad medium format camera with a
22mp phase one digital back... If i had that, i would get myself up
to a particular hill in town that is great for photos of the
skyline, and would make some mammoth sized prints for my own
enjoyment.

That would be awesome.
Having some $50000 disposable income to dump on such a setup must be nice. I would then drive that Range Rover up the hill 'cause all that equipment ain't exactly portable.

Cheers!

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Bogdan

Life is beautiful
 
Anybody recall this camera? You'd have to go back 35 years.
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Hey I got one of those! My father in law works with it currently and It is awesome. You know,100 years from now, when our electronic digital marvels will be scattered around on the landfills, the old SRT-101 will still work beautifully.
Cheers!
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Bogdan

Life is beautiful
 
This wasn't my first but it was my last before going digital with the S70 and the F707. I still use it occasionally because I miss the lens shown attached in the image. It's a 24mm f/2 with more thatn twice the field of view of the normal 50mm and the DOF was from less than 12 inches to infinity! I have several other lenses for it but the 24 is by far my favorite. The F2a became my "workhorse"

I too had a Pentax similar to yours before the Nikon but alas... I lost it in a tide pool while photographing one day.

What I had before the Pentax I had to give up because I could no longer afford the flash powder. LOL



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