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and that I believe this new batch is another story on AF accuracy. I really like the 10D feel and handling and that this is the most reasonably priced DSLR at the market. That is why I will buy a new one, the 10D. Besides, I got a promise if I do have any issues any of they Canon people present today can help directly, including their VGM.

So I find no reason to leave, once they admitted this is not a user error.
Will F said:
Did you get to see and compare the other guys test shots before
they left?(maybe their standards weren't up to yours)
Why buy a 10D if this could all happen again?(be it the lens or the
camera)
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Will F said:
Why buy a 10D if this could all happen again?(be it the lens or the
camera)
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there are many out there who have a good one, and we just want one that works well like their's does. Some have even posted photos to "prove" it. I saw some from one or two guys that are the impressive photos (i.e. the theme park slide pics,etc.) that we had all expected from the 10D. So far I have been very UN-impressed with ANY of my 10D photos. I shot some D60 pics yesterday and they all rock!
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PearlRider said:
Hugo So said:
All people had the chances to shot with all the three units with
all the lenses he want to try.
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So what did you see with the other two units? Did you closely
examine the images from those cameras. If I'd been there and those
units gave much better results, one of those guys (probably the
smallest one) would've met with an unfortunate "accident" and I'd
have THAT camera. ;-)
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to many including me. But I like a more solid body of the 10D. I think I would spend more efforts on PS actions to make the 10D outputs more D60 like.
mark currier said:
Will F said:
Why buy a 10D if this could all happen again?(be it the lens or the
camera)
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there are many out there who have a good one, and we just want one
that works well like their's does. Some have even posted photos to
"prove" it. I saw some from one or two guys that are the
impressive photos (i.e. the theme park slide pics,etc.) that we had
all expected from the 10D. So far I have been very UN-impressed
with ANY of my 10D photos. I shot some D60 pics yesterday and they
all rock!
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Hugo So said:
and that I believe this new batch is another story on AF accuracy.
I really like the 10D feel and handling and that this is the most
reasonably priced DSLR at the market.
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I agree that aside from the current focusing issues the 10D rocks in every other way. It feels great and the responsiveness is excellent. But an out of focus photo is like having a Ferrari that doesn't run, it may look good, but what's the point if it won't get you to the corner market let alone across the country.

Mark
Hugo So said:
Will F said:
Did you get to see and compare the other guys test shots before
they left?(maybe their standards weren't up to yours)
Why buy a 10D if this could all happen again?(be it the lens or the
camera)
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I try to give the discreditors the benefit of the doubt.

I can see their POV.

But I do believe that THEY are the ones who are the ultimate cause of this "rift", not those who use attention-getting posts that are obvious hyperbole.
Jack A. Zucker said:
That's a good point. Still no reason to attempt to discredit folks
who do have problems. When I posted about problems, an attempt was
made to discredit me based on the fact that I had made inquiries
about Nikon and Fuji cameras. Come on...What kind of logic is
that!?!

The funny thing is that the worst violators of the discrediting
don't even have photos online. It cracks me up. Using that
philosophy, why not just save yourself the headache of any kinds of
problems and just edit your equipment signature since it's free?!?
:-)
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Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
that is why I am so sad in the last three weeks. On the other hand, seeing a Honda down is nothing sad.
mark currier said:
Hugo So said:
and that I believe this new batch is another story on AF accuracy.
I really like the 10D feel and handling and that this is the most
reasonably priced DSLR at the market.
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I agree that aside from the current focusing issues the 10D rocks
in every other way. It feels great and the responsiveness is
excellent. But an out of focus photo is like having a Ferrari that
doesn't run, it may look good, but what's the point if it won't get
you to the corner market let alone across the country.

Mark
mark currier said:
Will F said:
Did you get to see and compare the other guys test shots before
they left?(maybe their standards weren't up to yours)
Why buy a 10D if this could all happen again?(be it the lens or the
camera)
Click to expand...
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My dirty uploads:

http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?sort=rating-d&id=43271

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Mark Currier
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My dirty uploads:

http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?sort=rating-d&id=43271

 
Hugo So said:
to many including me. But I like a more solid body of the 10D. I
think I would spend more efforts on PS actions to make the 10D
outputs more D60 like.
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I don't mind the minor PS work required with ALL digital photos either, but the oversharpening required just to get a slightly OOF 10D pic to look "in focus" is ridiculous. Forget about the severly OOF ones.
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is that folks quit painting stuff with a broad brush...

that the folks who have an issue don't use such misleading "attention getters" and/or try to paint all units as bad based on their experiences with one.

that the folks who have no issues don't mislead others by claiming all problems are user error

that folks recognize that SOME of the posted issues were user error, just as some of the posted issues were a problem with the camera and/or lens and/or calibration.

that the folks who have been maligned by one or two individuals don't turn around and malign others who were never involved in the first mess

that folks actually real what a post says instead of what they think it says

that folks recognize that inaccurate "attention getter" subject/titles are not counteracted by the contents of the attached posting -- the stage is set and the impression made, whether it's "all 10D's suck" or "everyone with a focus problem is an incompetant dolt" -- neither is productive

and most importantly -- that we maybe consider actually talking about photography once in a while.

this forum has gone down the drain and is getting more and more useless as time goes on.

-- Lew
DavidP said:
I can see their POV.

But I do believe that THEY are the ones who are the ultimate cause
of this "rift", not those who use attention-getting posts that are
obvious hyperbole.
Jack A. Zucker said:
That's a good point. Still no reason to attempt to discredit folks
who do have problems. When I posted about problems, an attempt was
made to discredit me based on the fact that I had made inquiries
about Nikon and Fuji cameras. Come on...What kind of logic is
that!?!

The funny thing is that the worst violators of the discrediting
don't even have photos online. It cracks me up. Using that
philosophy, why not just save yourself the headache of any kinds of
problems and just edit your equipment signature since it's free?!?
:-)
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The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
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Any DSLR beats unexposed film.
 
His director and GM introduced him as the person supervising the technicals of 1Ds, 1D D60 and 10D. And that he presented a "well tunned" unit (not out of box) that was found defective in front of so many people.

I can feel that before this he thought all "errors" are a matter of adjustments that is controllable.
Jack A. Zucker said:
Repeat after me:

There is no 10D focusing issue,There is no 10D focusing issue,There
is no 10D focusing issue,There is no 10D focusing issue,There is no
10D focusing issue

If spoken enough times, it has to be true. Please don't make folks
have to amend their equiment signatures...
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Jack A. Zucker said:
Oh come on...How can you even say that with a straight face? Go
back and read what you've written about Hugo. You have been
attempting to discredit him since his first experiences with the
focus problem.

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I guess the "truce" is over, eh? Anyway, Hugo has actually been on ME since the beginning with his "Canon PR man" cracks and even made, I guess, threats. What started it was that I dared tell him that he needed to send his camera to the shop and get it fixed. Howling about it here wasn't going to fix the problem... and it hasn't. But he's been on me ever since. I sincerely believe he's got a problem and needs to get it resolved. But still, I REALLY wanted to know what he saw with the other cameras. I really wanted to know if they worked better in HIS opinion. Apparently, the other two guys were satisfied and I just wanted to know if he agreed. You and DavidP apparently couldn't let it go. Why not let COMMIT an offense BEFORE you ACCUSE me of it, OK? Sheesh!
 
Hugo So wrote:

I'd just like to know what you saw with the other two cameras? Did you examine the images from those cameras as closely as the ones from your camera and the new one you were testing? If so, did YOU see any differences between those the images from those cameras and yours and the new one you were trying? I'd really like to know.
 
They are more accurate in AF( this is a feel after some hundred of images for similar/identical subjects) from each camera. More importantly, they didn't show that kind of totally OOF issue (some call it irradically) that is with my previous unit and the unit they presented to me today.
PearlRider said:
Hugo So wrote:
I'd just like to know what you saw with the other two cameras? Did
you examine the images from those cameras as closely as the ones
from your camera and the new one you were testing? If so, did YOU
see any differences between those the images from those cameras and
yours and the new one you were trying? I'd really like to know.
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I see that they used a target beside the ruler so the camera would have a clear target rather than trying to pick one spot out of different targets (like one number on the ruler). That's what I did as well with the folded up card beside the ruler. And I only did this to try and satisfy all the people claiming that MY two 10Ds were possibly defective but, unfortunately, it didn't do that. So, I won't "test" it again. It satisfies MY criteria. But it IS satisfying to see that I was on the "right track". Thanks for posting this, Hugo.
 
So, you clearly saw the differences between those other two units and the one you had and the one you tried. Thanks for the answer. I guess you just got bad luck. ;-)
 
jarred something in my mind. Does anyone know (for sure, not just guessing) how many different factories/locations manufacture the 10D, or is it just a single location? I'm just wondering if many of the problem units are coming from the same place (if there's more than one).

Mark
PearlRider said:
I see that they used a target beside the ruler so the camera would
have a clear target rather than trying to pick one spot out of
different targets (like one number on the ruler). That's what I did
as well with the folded up card beside the ruler. And I only did
this to try and satisfy all the people claiming that MY two 10Ds
were possibly defective but, unfortunately, it didn't do that. So,
I won't "test" it again. It satisfies MY criteria. But it IS
satisfying to see that I was on the "right track". Thanks for
posting this, Hugo.
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mark currier said:
Mark
PearlRider said:
I see that they used a target beside the ruler so the camera would
have a clear target rather than trying to pick one spot out of
different targets (like one number on the ruler). That's what I did
as well with the folded up card beside the ruler. And I only did
this to try and satisfy all the people claiming that MY two 10Ds
were possibly defective but, unfortunately, it didn't do that. So,
I won't "test" it again. It satisfies MY criteria. But it IS
satisfying to see that I was on the "right track". Thanks for
posting this, Hugo.
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Mark Currier
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