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I've been trying to take some pictures to help the local high school with yearbook and newspaper. This gives me experience taking sports shots.

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/orig?pictid= {D0A9FECA-1379-4ADE-B8FD-EE9768840595}

Latest challenge is soccer at night with pathetic high school lighting. I've been avoiding flash, because it can disturb play. However, these conditions yield very grainy pictures.

Below is a scan of one of the pictures. Captured nice action, the ball is in the shot, and there is good facial expression. It's just grainy as heck. Is there anyway to make this better in Photoshop (I have LE). I do I just need to bite the bullet and use a flash.

Thanks,

Mike
 
Mike,

Your link seems to be incomplete.

What kind of camera and what lenses are you using? And what camera settings?
I can't imagine using flash on a soccer field?
Mike said:
I've been trying to take some pictures to help the local high school
with yearbook and newspaper. This gives me experience taking sports
shots.

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/orig?pictid= {D0A9FECA-1379-4ADE-B8FD-EE9768840595}

Latest challenge is soccer at night with pathetic high school lighting.
I've been avoiding flash, because it can disturb play. However, these
conditions yield very grainy pictures.

Below is a scan of one of the pictures. Captured nice action, the ball
is in the shot, and there is good facial expression. It's just grainy
as heck. Is there anyway to make this better in Photoshop (I have LE).
I do I just need to bite the bullet and use a flash.

Thanks,

Mike
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This is a very time consuming process and would be difficult to do to more than a few pictures at a time. Changing the ISO or extending the shutter seem to be the only solution that I know of.

 
Maybe fototime's links expire. Here is an updated one:

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/orig?pictid= {D0A9FECA-1379-4ADE-B8FD-EE9768840595}

Canon A2E, 70-200mm f2.8 Lens, Fuji 800 film. Scanned at the photo service when developed (not an awesome scanner, but OK). Settings: Manual, F2.8, 1/90. The camera's metering likes this setting (ie think's it's correct) for most of the pictures taken on the field, but sometimes show's it as slightly underexposed.
  • Mike
Paul Greenleaf said:
Your link seems to be incomplete.

What kind of camera and what lenses are you using? And what camera
settings?
I can't imagine using flash on a soccer field?
Mike said:
I've been trying to take some pictures to help the local high school
with yearbook and newspaper. This gives me experience taking sports
shots.

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/orig?pictid= {D0A9FECA-1379-4ADE-B8FD-EE9768840595}

Latest challenge is soccer at night with pathetic high school lighting.
I've been avoiding flash, because it can disturb play. However, these
conditions yield very grainy pictures.

Below is a scan of one of the pictures. Captured nice action, the ball
is in the shot, and there is good facial expression. It's just grainy
as heck. Is there anyway to make this better in Photoshop (I have LE).
I do I just need to bite the bullet and use a flash.

Thanks,

Mike
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This does look better than mine. Even if time consuming, what would you recommend?
nitecrlwr said:
This is a very time consuming process and would be difficult to do to
more than a few pictures at a time. Changing the ISO or extending the
shutter seem to be the only solution that I know of.

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Mike,
I only fooled with this for a few minuties in FS 5.0 LE.
See if this looks any better. If so I'll tell you what I did.


Mike said:
I've been trying to take some pictures to help the local high school
with yearbook and newspaper. This gives me experience taking sports
shots.

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/orig?pictid= {D0A9FECA-1379-4ADE-B8FD-EE9768840595}

Latest challenge is soccer at night with pathetic high school lighting.
I've been avoiding flash, because it can disturb play. However, these
conditions yield very grainy pictures.

Below is a scan of one of the pictures. Captured nice action, the ball
is in the shot, and there is good facial expression. It's just grainy
as heck. Is there anyway to make this better in Photoshop (I have LE).
I do I just need to bite the bullet and use a flash.

Thanks,

Mike
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I tride this link and could not get to the picture.

Karl
Mike said:
http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/orig?pictid= {D0A9FECA-1379-4ADE-B8FD-EE9768840595}

Canon A2E, 70-200mm f2.8 Lens, Fuji 800 film. Scanned at the photo
service when developed (not an awesome scanner, but OK). Settings:
Manual, F2.8, 1/90. The camera's metering likes this setting (ie
think's it's correct) for most of the pictures taken on the field, but
sometimes show's it as slightly underexposed.
  • Mike
Paul Greenleaf said:
Your link seems to be incomplete.

What kind of camera and what lenses are you using? And what camera
settings?
I can't imagine using flash on a soccer field?
Mike said:
I've been trying to take some pictures to help the local high school
with yearbook and newspaper. This gives me experience taking sports
shots.

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/orig?pictid= {D0A9FECA-1379-4ADE-B8FD-EE9768840595}

Latest challenge is soccer at night with pathetic high school lighting.
I've been avoiding flash, because it can disturb play. However, these
conditions yield very grainy pictures.

Below is a scan of one of the pictures. Captured nice action, the ball
is in the shot, and there is good facial expression. It's just grainy
as heck. Is there anyway to make this better in Photoshop (I have LE).
I do I just need to bite the bullet and use a flash.

Thanks,

Mike
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The link didn't work to well. So here's another shot. Some of the results people have published already look great. Would like to know what you did.

Thanks,

Mike

http://www.fototime.com/inv/40DDDF48D3E3385
Mike said:
I've been trying to take some pictures to help the local high school
with yearbook and newspaper. This gives me experience taking sports
shots.

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/orig?pictid= {D0A9FECA-1379-4ADE-B8FD-EE9768840595}

Latest challenge is soccer at night with pathetic high school lighting.
I've been avoiding flash, because it can disturb play. However, these
conditions yield very grainy pictures.

Below is a scan of one of the pictures. Captured nice action, the ball
is in the shot, and there is good facial expression. It's just grainy
as heck. Is there anyway to make this better in Photoshop (I have LE).
I do I just need to bite the bullet and use a flash.

Thanks,

Mike
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Hi Paul,

You did a very good job on this one. All the noise is virtually gone. Can you please tell us what you did. I'm very interested to learn too.

Thank you,
Yit Lok
Paul Greenleaf said:

Mike said:
I've been trying to take some pictures to help the local high school
with yearbook and newspaper. This gives me experience taking sports
shots.

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/orig?pictid= {D0A9FECA-1379-4ADE-B8FD-EE9768840595}

Latest challenge is soccer at night with pathetic high school lighting.
I've been avoiding flash, because it can disturb play. However, these
conditions yield very grainy pictures.

Below is a scan of one of the pictures. Captured nice action, the ball
is in the shot, and there is good facial expression. It's just grainy
as heck. Is there anyway to make this better in Photoshop (I have LE).
I do I just need to bite the bullet and use a flash.

Thanks,

Mike
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Yit Lok,

Really I just cheated.

Alot of the grain is in the background where it really stands out more than on the subject. So I just blurred the background some more.

I made a duplicate layer and blured it with Gaussian blur of about 6 (a little more blured than it was already) and then added a layer mask to the top layer over the background.

I think nitecrlwr's looks better. I wish he would tell us what he did.
Yit Lok said:
You did a very good job on this one. All the noise is virtually gone.
Can you please tell us what you did. I'm very interested to learn too.

Thank you,
Yit Lok
Paul Greenleaf said:

Mike said:
I've been trying to take some pictures to help the local high school
with yearbook and newspaper. This gives me experience taking sports
shots.

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/orig?pictid= {D0A9FECA-1379-4ADE-B8FD-EE9768840595}

Latest challenge is soccer at night with pathetic high school lighting.
I've been avoiding flash, because it can disturb play. However, these
conditions yield very grainy pictures.

Below is a scan of one of the pictures. Captured nice action, the ball
is in the shot, and there is good facial expression. It's just grainy
as heck. Is there anyway to make this better in Photoshop (I have LE).
I do I just need to bite the bullet and use a flash.

Thanks,

Mike
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Thanks. I'll try this. nitecrlwr gave a pointer to a Photoshop tutorial. I've tried the method described a few times and can't get it to work. Involves creating another layer that has a Gaussian blue, and combining them using the "color" mode. I can't get the color combine to work. Maybe it's only a full photoshop feature.

Here's a link to the lesson I tried:

http://www.jtgraphics.net/sample/DIGITAL_PHOTO_REPAIR.pdf
  • Mike
Paul Greenleaf said:
Really I just cheated.

Alot of the grain is in the background where it really stands out more
than on the subject. So I just blurred the background some more.

I made a duplicate layer and blured it with Gaussian blur of about 6 (a
little more blured than it was already) and then added a layer mask to
the top layer over the background.

I think nitecrlwr's looks better. I wish he would tell us what he did.
Yit Lok said:
You did a very good job on this one. All the noise is virtually gone.
Can you please tell us what you did. I'm very interested to learn too.

Thank you,
Yit Lok
Paul Greenleaf said:

Mike said:
I've been trying to take some pictures to help the local high school
with yearbook and newspaper. This gives me experience taking sports
shots.

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/orig?pictid= {D0A9FECA-1379-4ADE-B8FD-EE9768840595}

Latest challenge is soccer at night with pathetic high school lighting.
I've been avoiding flash, because it can disturb play. However, these
conditions yield very grainy pictures.

Below is a scan of one of the pictures. Captured nice action, the ball
is in the shot, and there is good facial expression. It's just grainy
as heck. Is there anyway to make this better in Photoshop (I have LE).
I do I just need to bite the bullet and use a flash.

Thanks,

Mike
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Ok let me step in please:

Steps were done from the lesson at http://www.jtgraphics.net/sample/DIGITAL_PHOTO_REPAIR.pdf Steps 1 - 15 were followed omitting 13 -14. After these image was flattened and a Unsharp Mask was applied to sharpen picture.
Results http://www.zing.com/album/?id=4293550063&p=4283792542
Other tips at http://www.jtgraphics.net/all_digital.htm

JTGraphics
http://www.jtgraphics.net
Mike said:
Here's a link to the lesson I tried:

http://www.jtgraphics.net/sample/DIGITAL_PHOTO_REPAIR.pdf
  • Mike
Paul Greenleaf said:
Really I just cheated.

Alot of the grain is in the background where it really stands out more
than on the subject. So I just blurred the background some more.

I made a duplicate layer and blured it with Gaussian blur of about 6 (a
little more blured than it was already) and then added a layer mask to
the top layer over the background.

I think nitecrlwr's looks better. I wish he would tell us what he did.
Yit Lok said:
You did a very good job on this one. All the noise is virtually gone.
Can you please tell us what you did. I'm very interested to learn too.

Thank you,
Yit Lok
Paul Greenleaf said:

Mike said:
I've been trying to take some pictures to help the local high school
with yearbook and newspaper. This gives me experience taking sports
shots.

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/orig?pictid= {D0A9FECA-1379-4ADE-B8FD-EE9768840595}

Latest challenge is soccer at night with pathetic high school lighting.
I've been avoiding flash, because it can disturb play. However, these
conditions yield very grainy pictures.

Below is a scan of one of the pictures. Captured nice action, the ball
is in the shot, and there is good facial expression. It's just grainy
as heck. Is there anyway to make this better in Photoshop (I have LE).
I do I just need to bite the bullet and use a flash.

Thanks,

Mike
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I used the same basic technique. I made a snapshot of the original, did a smart blur then used the history tool around the outlines of individual elements that needed more definition. It was necessary to go back to very noisy areas and make a selection and blur more.

Regards
Paul Greenleaf said:
I think nitecrlwr's looks better. I wish he would tell us what he did.
Yit Lok said:
You did a very good job on this one. All the noise is virtually gone.
Can you please tell us what you did. I'm very interested to learn too.

Thank you,
Yit Lok
Paul Greenleaf said:

Mike said:
I've been trying to take some pictures to help the local high school
with yearbook and newspaper. This gives me experience taking sports
shots.

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/orig?pictid= {D0A9FECA-1379-4ADE-B8FD-EE9768840595}

Latest challenge is soccer at night with pathetic high school lighting.
I've been avoiding flash, because it can disturb play. However, these
conditions yield very grainy pictures.

Below is a scan of one of the pictures. Captured nice action, the ball
is in the shot, and there is good facial expression. It's just grainy
as heck. Is there anyway to make this better in Photoshop (I have LE).
I do I just need to bite the bullet and use a flash.

Thanks,

Mike
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JTGraphics,

One thing to remember is that Mike has PS LT. There are no channel options in LT. That does make a difference.
JTGraphics said:
JTGraphics
http://www.jtgraphics.net
Mike said:
Here's a link to the lesson I tried:

http://www.jtgraphics.net/sample/DIGITAL_PHOTO_REPAIR.pdf
  • Mike
Paul Greenleaf said:
Really I just cheated.

Alot of the grain is in the background where it really stands out more
than on the subject. So I just blurred the background some more.

I made a duplicate layer and blured it with Gaussian blur of about 6 (a
little more blured than it was already) and then added a layer mask to
the top layer over the background.

I think nitecrlwr's looks better. I wish he would tell us what he did.
Yit Lok said:
You did a very good job on this one. All the noise is virtually gone.
Can you please tell us what you did. I'm very interested to learn too.

Thank you,
Yit Lok
Paul Greenleaf said:

Mike said:
I've been trying to take some pictures to help the local high school
with yearbook and newspaper. This gives me experience taking sports
shots.

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/orig?pictid= {D0A9FECA-1379-4ADE-B8FD-EE9768840595}

Latest challenge is soccer at night with pathetic high school lighting.
I've been avoiding flash, because it can disturb play. However, these
conditions yield very grainy pictures.

Below is a scan of one of the pictures. Captured nice action, the ball
is in the shot, and there is good facial expression. It's just grainy
as heck. Is there anyway to make this better in Photoshop (I have LE).
I do I just need to bite the bullet and use a flash.

Thanks,

Mike
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Yes but he can get very good results if he can get the idea of how to play with layers he may come up with some fine looking pictures on his own, but further reason to get a stronger program if he's serious abut playing with photos in this manner as it won't stop here.

JTGraphics
http://www.jtgraphics.net
Paul Greenleaf said:
One thing to remember is that Mike has PS LT. There are no channel
options in LT. That does make a difference.
JTGraphics said:
JTGraphics
http://www.jtgraphics.net
Mike said:
Here's a link to the lesson I tried:

http://www.jtgraphics.net/sample/DIGITAL_PHOTO_REPAIR.pdf
  • Mike
Paul Greenleaf said:
Really I just cheated.

Alot of the grain is in the background where it really stands out more
than on the subject. So I just blurred the background some more.

I made a duplicate layer and blured it with Gaussian blur of about 6 (a
little more blured than it was already) and then added a layer mask to
the top layer over the background.

I think nitecrlwr's looks better. I wish he would tell us what he did.
Yit Lok said:
You did a very good job on this one. All the noise is virtually gone.
Can you please tell us what you did. I'm very interested to learn too.

Thank you,
Yit Lok
Paul Greenleaf said:

Mike said:
I've been trying to take some pictures to help the local high school
with yearbook and newspaper. This gives me experience taking sports
shots.

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/orig?pictid= {D0A9FECA-1379-4ADE-B8FD-EE9768840595}

Latest challenge is soccer at night with pathetic high school lighting.
I've been avoiding flash, because it can disturb play. However, these
conditions yield very grainy pictures.

Below is a scan of one of the pictures. Captured nice action, the ball
is in the shot, and there is good facial expression. It's just grainy
as heck. Is there anyway to make this better in Photoshop (I have LE).
I do I just need to bite the bullet and use a flash.

Thanks,

Mike
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Paul Greenleaf said:
Barry,

Can you share what you did?
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First I made a "Duplicate Layer" of the background. Then used the "Smart Blur"

with a radius of 3 pixels and threshold of 25 on the duplicate layer, "Hard Light"
mode at 50% opacity. Sharpened the original background layer slightly and
that's it.

BF
 
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