OlgaJ: 10D vs G3

getg3 · Apr 23, 2003

Hi Olga,

You have both 10D and G3. What is your opinion about those two cameras? Is it worth upgrading to 10D from G3? In other words, are you going to use 10D more? Do you see any major image quality improvement?

Sorry for asking too many questions, but I have learned a lot from your valuable input.

getg3

Ulysses · Apr 23, 2003

getg3 said:
You have both 10D and G3. What is your opinion about those two
cameras?

I'm betting that she likes them both. A lot.

getg3 said:
Is it worth upgrading to 10D from G3?

For OlgaJ, it appears that it was worth it.

getg3 said:
In other words, are you going to use 10D more?

I predict that she'll definitely use the 10D more than she used to before she got it.

getg3 said:
Do you see any major image quality improvement?

My guess is that she'd say: It depends upon what aspect of "quality" you're interested in. The 10D uses a qualitatively different sensor.

Still, there will be occasions when you want low noise at higher ISO, and there will be times when you want the ease of use of an easy camera to carry around, with live preview, swivel LCD, etc.

The "better" camera is not always the "best" camera for YOU.

getg3 said:
Sorry for asking too many questions, but I have learned a lot from
your valuable input.

OlgaJ is a valuable person to this forum. She'll never make you feel bad for asking questions.

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Ulysses

Olga Johnson · Apr 23, 2003

getg3 said:
Hi Olga,

You have both 10D and G3. What is your opinion about those two
cameras? Is it worth upgrading to 10D from G3? In other words, are
you going to use 10D more? Do you see any major image quality
improvement?
Sorry for asking too many questions, but I have learned a lot from
your valuable input.

getg3

Honestly, I am still learning how to use the 10D. The G3 is definitely easier to learn and easier to hold.

Image quality with the dSLR is directly related to the lens you use. I didn't go for the best lenses, which are both expensive and heavy. Still, the image quality coupled with the additional 2MP resolution is better than the G3, when I hit the focus right.

I have gotten shots with the 10D and my chosen lenses that I probably would never see with the G3. OTOH I still prefer the out of camera images of the G3 to those that I get with the 10D. As time goes by I am getting more comfortable with the 10D, but I'm not there yet.

You can see some of my first attempts with the camera here, in reduced size. All but the test gallery photos were handheld.

http://www.pbase.com/olgaj/canon10d

Was it worth it? For me it was and still is worth it for the sheer fun of it alone. I try to not think of the cost so that I don't think I'm crazy.

Will I be using the 10D more than the G3? I don't know yet. Taking off for a trip tomorrow, I'm hauling both cameras with me. We'll see.

Olga

jason taylor · Apr 23, 2003

H'mmmm m'think's there is a hint of cybersex going on here......

Ulysses said:
getg3 said:

You have both 10D and G3. What is your opinion about those two
cameras?

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I'm betting that she likes them both. A lot.

Member said:

Is it worth upgrading to 10D from G3?

Click to expand...

For OlgaJ, it appears that it was worth it.

Member said:

In other words, are you going to use 10D more?

Click to expand...

I predict that she'll definitely use the 10D more than she used
to before she got it.

Member said:

Do you see any major image quality improvement?

Click to expand...

My guess is that she'd say: It depends upon what aspect of
"quality" you're interested in. The 10D uses a qualitatively
different sensor.

Still, there will be occasions when you want low noise at higher
ISO, and there will be times when you want the ease of use of an
easy camera to carry around, with live preview, swivel LCD, etc.

The "better" camera is not always the "best" camera for YOU.

Member said:

Sorry for asking too many questions, but I have learned a lot from
your valuable input.

Click to expand...

OlgaJ is a valuable person to this forum. She'll never make you
feel bad for asking questions.

--

Ulysses

--
Jay

Taylormade · Apr 23, 2003

From the sample photos, it sure looks like the 10D is worth the upgrade if you want a DSLR.

OlgaJ said:
getg3 said:

Hi Olga,

You have both 10D and G3. What is your opinion about those two
cameras? Is it worth upgrading to 10D from G3? In other words, are
you going to use 10D more? Do you see any major image quality
improvement?
Sorry for asking too many questions, but I have learned a lot from
your valuable input.

getg3

Click to expand...

Honestly, I am still learning how to use the 10D. The G3 is
definitely easier to learn and easier to hold.

Image quality with the dSLR is directly related to the lens you
use. I didn't go for the best lenses, which are both expensive and
heavy. Still, the image quality coupled with the additional 2MP
resolution is better than the G3, when I hit the focus right.

I have gotten shots with the 10D and my chosen lenses that I
probably would never see with the G3. OTOH I still prefer the out
of camera images of the G3 to those that I get with the 10D. As
time goes by I am getting more comfortable with the 10D, but I'm
not there yet.

You can see some of my first attempts with the camera here, in
reduced size. All but the test gallery photos were handheld.

http://www.pbase.com/olgaj/canon10d

Was it worth it? For me it was and still is worth it for the sheer
fun of it alone. I try to not think of the cost so that I don't
think I'm crazy.

Will I be using the 10D more than the G3? I don't know yet. Taking
off for a trip tomorrow, I'm hauling both cameras with me. We'll
see.

Olga

MAC · Apr 23, 2003

If you like action, the 10d will do action, but you will spend big dollars. If you like still life with excellent light, the g3 is very good.

If you want landscapes, I'd wait for a full frame DSLR when it gets to $1500 body price -- 3 years maybe.

I'd have fun with that g3 in the interim.

If I had significant business deals -- no question ... 10 d.

MAC

This bud is for you!

getg3 said:
Hi Olga,

You have both 10D and G3. What is your opinion about those two
cameras? Is it worth upgrading to 10D from G3? In other words, are
you going to use 10D more? Do you see any major image quality
improvement?
Sorry for asking too many questions, but I have learned a lot from
your valuable input.

getg3

--
MAC
http://www.digi-pictures.com

Ulysses · Apr 23, 2003

I considered simply not responding to this. But... just so that we're covered on this point.

I would never dishonor OlgaJ that way either in public or in private. She has my total respect as a forum member and fellow photographer. So I don't even joke that way.

But if you mean that I'm a member of the OlgaJ admiration club, then in that regard you would be correct. She brings a lot of practical steadiness to the forum, from what I've seen.

Now that she has the 10D in her hands, it will be to this forum's disadvantage if we see less of her posts around here.

Don't mind me. No offense taken in the least. There are just some things that a happily married and fun-loving man like myself doesn't even try to make fun about. Even a good camera is a poor "mistress" when you've got a good mate.

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Ulysses

getg3 · Apr 23, 2003

OlgaJ said:
You can see some of my first attempts with the camera here, in
reduced size. All but the test gallery photos were handheld.

http://www.pbase.com/olgaj/canon10d

Great shots.

Olga Johnson said:
Was it worth it? For me it was and still is worth it for the sheer
fun of it alone. I try to not think of the cost so that I don't
think I'm crazy.

Thank you for your positive response.

Olga Johnson said:
Taking off for a trip tomorrow, I'm hauling both cameras with me. We'll
see.

Have a nice and fun trip. Don't forget to post your pictures!

getg3 · Apr 23, 2003

MAC,
What a shot! I can hear the noice of the crowd. Thanks for sharing!

MAC said:

Ulysses · Apr 23, 2003

MAC said:
If I had significant business deals -- no question ... 10D.

And even in that regard (business), some of us are pushing the prosumer to acceptable limits while we await the day for the dSLR to catch up to what we want. Or until our bankbook catches up. Whichever comes first.

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Ulysses

Justme · Apr 23, 2003

Speaking for myself, the G3 can't compare to the 10D for high ISO low-light shots. Even at ISO 1600 it looks good. With the G2/G3 ISO 200 is about as high as I'd push it.

The 10D even with a small lens is still way more cumbersome (heavier too?) than G3 with 420ex flash

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=4573258

getg3 said:
Hi Olga,

You have both 10D and G3. What is your opinion about those two
cameras? Is it worth upgrading to 10D from G3? In other words, are
you going to use 10D more? Do you see any major image quality
improvement?
Sorry for asking too many questions, but I have learned a lot from
your valuable input.

getg3

Olga Johnson · Apr 23, 2003

jay taylor said:
H'mmmm m'think's there is a hint of cybersex going on here......

It's more like a mutual admiration society. I appreciate Ulysses' analytical and methodical presentation of themes related to photography and the G3 in general, as well as his ability to state his opinion or debate an issue without being offensive.

Olga

Olga Johnson · Apr 23, 2003

Justme said:
Speaking for myself, the G3 can't compare to the 10D for high ISO
low-light shots. Even at ISO 1600 it looks good. With the G2/G3
ISO 200 is about as high as I'd push it.

The 10D even with a small lens is still way more cumbersome
(heavier too?) than G3 with 420ex flash
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=4573258

Oh, is it EVER!! But I finally learned to use both hands too.

I'm sure you will really get a laugh from this: I'm not hauling the 420EX on my trip; I'm only taking the 220EX with me. LOL! (But I'm also leaving behind two lenses...)

Olga

MAC · Apr 23, 2003

This shot was with the 70 - 200 f4 L - $539 at B&H. But you need to spend large dollars are excellent glass for a 10d. If you had 3 lenses -- you would be fine: the 70 - 200 f4L for $539; The 50 f1.8 prime for $69; and the new 17 -40 f4L -- which might be $650.

One can't settle for cheap glass on this dslr -- or one will not get satisfying results -- so unless you want to spend $1300 on glass -- and $1500 on a body -- I would recommend not getting into this....the cheaper glass just isn't worth the lesser image quality.

Now, the g3 does well-- ISO 100 still life. You can pick one up for $550. You can add a $170 420ex speedlight flash with a $20 stofen diffuser. Now you got a terrific cam that you can shoot for a long time and have a blast with all kinds of features -- and you'll have a flash that is terrific.

The cost differiential is huge. You can have a blast with both...just depends on the budget and what you want to do! Good luck! Keep us apprised!

MAC

getg3 said:
getg3 said:

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MAC · Apr 23, 2003

You doin good with that event shootin! Bring in a bit at a time, and you'll have it!

BTW -- the 420ex does well on the 10d -- just like it does on the g3 --really well in auto too --- even with no fel !

MAC

Ulysses said:
MAC said:

If I had significant business deals -- no question ... 10D.

Click to expand...

And even in that regard (business), some of us are pushing the
prosumer to acceptable limits while we await the day for the dSLR
to catch up to what we want. Or until our bankbook catches up.
Whichever comes first.

--

Ulysses

--
MAC
http://www.digi-pictures.com

MAC · Apr 23, 2003

Unless someone discounts these pictures with a different copy -- this lens is out for me now :

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=4916608

MAC said:
One can't settle for cheap glass on this dslr -- or one will not
get satisfying results -- so unless you want to spend $1300 on
glass -- and $1500 on a body -- I would recommend not getting into
this....the cheaper glass just isn't worth the lesser image quality.

Now, the g3 does well-- ISO 100 still life. You can pick one up
for $550. You can add a $170 420ex speedlight flash with a $20
stofen diffuser. Now you got a terrific cam that you can shoot for
a long time and have a blast with all kinds of features -- and
you'll have a flash that is terrific.

The cost differiential is huge. You can have a blast with
both...just depends on the budget and what you want to do! Good
luck! Keep us apprised!

MAC

getg3 said:

MAC said:

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http://www.digi-pictures.com

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Greg C. · Apr 23, 2003

Ulysses,

Now its confirmed. There is really no end to your patience. You are better man than I.

--
Greg
G3 + 420EX

geepondy · Apr 23, 2003

This one here.

http://www.pbase.com/image/15511895

It is the one of the dining room shot indoors with flash at ISO400. Now having to keep the G3 at ISO50 to even approach that lack of noise, could the same picture be taken with a G3 with internal or external flash and still have the same one end of table to other "reach"?

Ulysses · Apr 23, 2003

MAC said:
You doin good with that event shootin! Bring in a bit at a time,
and you'll have it!

Sometimes, MAC, it just doesn't seem that I can save up in the way that I want. Every time I get some sort of "camera fund" going, I need to dip into it for other things (car, house, the cat... and no I can't lose the cat because she belongs to the wife... and NO I can't lose the wife... heheheh...). Oh well. Enough of my lament. You're absolutely right. Little by little bit. And it will happen.

MAC said:
BTW -- the 420ex does well on the 10d -- just like it does on the
g3 --really well in auto too --- even with no fel !

Interesting you bring this up. I haven't read a whole lot about the usage of the 420EX with the 10D.

I like this sample you posted. How exactly did you light it? Can you give a detailed description of the conditions and the ambient light itself? Did you use a Stofen diffuser of some sort? The flash seems to have given good illumination and coverage for this type of difficult situation.

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Ulysses

Olga Johnson · Apr 23, 2003

geepondy said:
This one here.

http://www.pbase.com/image/15511895

It is the one of the dining room shot indoors with flash at ISO400.
Now having to keep the G3 at ISO50 to even approach that lack of
noise, could the same picture be taken with a G3 with internal or
external flash and still have the same one end of table to other
"reach"?

I think you could do it with the G3 and an external flash.

I used the 10D's internal flash with that one.

Olga

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