I hate to brag, but my 10D focuses well

Actually, I really have only been on this webpage for two days and
only checked it out to see if I could find a real AF fix posted on
here.
If I got you wrong, my apology to you.
Also, Ashley, the word you want is "credible" and not "creditable"
Don't worry. It's just a typo, I know the word very well. I wrote it correctly the first time but somehow I typed something like that when I tried to re-phrase the sentence. I noticed a lot of similar incidences recently and I talked about going to see a neurologist soon in another thread. May be I should hurry up.
 
And since YOURS doesn't pass the test, you're
going to make sure everyone else is as miserable as YOU are.
you must have me mixed up with someone else, my camera focuses fine & what gave you the idea that I was miserable??

Get a life & quit spending half your life posting stupid responses like this....

-John
 
Actually, I really have only been on this webpage for two days and
only checked it out to see if I could find a real AF fix posted on
here.
It's obvious that a lot of 10Ds have AF problems. This isn't
bashing 10Ds. This is the reality of the situation.
Define "a lot of 10Ds". You don't know. You only know what you're reading here and it's a given that people are going to be heard if they have a problem whereas people who aren't, usually just use their cameras instead. Also, it doesn't help people to post POSITIVE comments about their 10Ds if they're going to be treated like Fastlane has.
Also, I posted since there are some really ridiculous arguments
regarding this.

Canon doesn't want people using the words "defective" and "recall"
but this is an issue.
Where did you get THIS information?
The arguments against 10D users with AF problems don't make any
sense. There hasn't been any solution and 10D users with this
problem end up:
1) returning the camera for a refund
2) sending it in for service
3) accepting its AF problems
Uh, what else can we do? Are we going to devise a fix by arguing about the camera? If anything I buy is defective, I return for another or send it back to the manufacturer. I don't stand on a street corner yowling about it.
 
you must have me mixed up with someone else, my camera focuses fine
& what gave you the idea that I was miserable??
You contend that people must try to take pictures in a darkened room to prove their camera isn't defective? Talk about stupid responses. Sheesh!
 
Many thanks for posting the series of shots! I have only had my 10D for a little over a week. Great camera. A few questions:

What lens did you use?
Raw or jpg?
Colorspace?
In-camera settings for contrast, sharpening, etc?
Any post processing?
First off, I've had it two weeks now and haven't done any highly
scientific ruler/newspaper/cereal box/brick wall tests. I've only
taken about 300 shots, but very few have been poorly focused (that
I could blame o the camera, anyway.)

Here is my focus test. I set the camera in Tv at 1/250, AI Servo
focus, single shot, center focus point. Then I handed it to my
technically challenged wife (she thinks our Elf is too complicated)
while I carried my girl to the top of a really big slide. Here is
what she got the first time she held the 10D:
--
Bill George
Hawaii-Landscapes-Aerials
 
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=4938555
Many thanks for posting the series of shots! I have only had my
10D for a little over a week. Great camera. A few questions:

What lens did you use?
Raw or jpg?
Colorspace?
In-camera settings for contrast, sharpening, etc?
Any post processing?
--

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Maybe my D60 meters correctly and it is me that is overexposed???
 
You contend that people must try to take pictures in a darkened
room to prove their camera isn't defective? Talk about stupid
responses. Sheesh!
any camera can focus in a broad daylight/high contrast situation.

If you want to make sure it is working correctly, you have to make it a little more challenging. Are you a complete total newbie?? Most people would not have such trouble understanding something this basic.

-john
 
by the way, where do you see me "dissing"anybody??

I merely pointed out that these pictures do not really stress the AF of the camera, nothing more.

I was not dissing anybody or your precious 10D camera for that matter. I happen to think the 10D is the best value in a D-SLR available at this time.

-John
 
People aren't making up all these reports of 10D problems because
they think it will make them seem like better photographers. If my
car has a flat tire, I don't ignore it and keep driving.
Exactly. You pull over, fix the problem and move on.

That's exactly what is NOT happening here. If you have a problem camera, it should be sent for repair. That's what warranties are for.

Too many people here are driving down the road at 90 mph, ranting and raving that they've got a flat tire....

Or even worse... They get a flat, and abandon the car at the side of the road, on the NJ Turpike during rush hour....and rant and rave while walking home.

Seems like I would be p*ssing/moaning, while, at the same time, changing the tire so I could get back on the road as quickly as possible.
--
Gary
 
Actually, I really have only been on this webpage for two days and
only checked it out to see if I could find a real AF fix posted on
here.

It's obvious that a lot of 10Ds have AF problems. This isn't
bashing 10Ds. This is the reality of the situation.
Actually it's obvious that some 10D's have AF issues. Define "a lot" - I don't think anyone has any empirical data to quantify the % of units shipped that are not within acceptable AF spec.
Also, I posted since there are some really ridiculous arguments
regarding this.

Canon doesn't want people using the words "defective" and "recall"
but this is an issue.
Well...there isn't a "recall," and that's a fact. Also, I would propose that if your camera isn't auto-focusing accurately, that it really isn't "defective" either - it's just miscalibrated - and can be correctly calibrated very quickly by a tech without replacement of parts.
The arguments against 10D users with AF problems don't make any
sense. There hasn't been any solution and 10D users with this
problem end up:
1) returning the camera for a refund
2) sending it in for service
3) accepting its AF problems
1 - you could do that - and you may end up waiting for a replacement or a new camera

2 - Ahhhh the overlooked obvious choice - AF gets calibrated by someone who handles these types of issues every day - and you get it back calibrated, and probably more accurate that any "off-the-shelf" camera (simply due to manufacturing tolerances).

3) - If you choose this option, you've got too much money, provided that the camera truly has AF problems - and cannot be attributed to user error/misuse.
Also, Ashley, the word you want is "credible" and not "creditable"
Interesting - you teach grammar!

I sent mine to Canon the day after i received it (8 days ago). I just got off the phone with the Pro Desk at the NJ factory service center. AF calibration was found to be "out of tolerance" and has been adjusted. Camera will be in my hands tomorrow.

--
Gary
 
So are you saying that he shouldn't brag or that he shouldn't have
posted positive feedback?
All I'm saying is, these are absolutely optimum conditions for
auto-focus & don't really prove that his 10D focuses correctly(it
probably does, but that's not the point)

-John
John,

My D60 front focused with all of my lenses. Low light, daylight, you name it. I sent it in. They calibrated it. It then focused spot on in low light, daylight, you name it.

My 10d had the same problem. Didn't focus properly in low light or daylight. I'll have it back in my hands tomorrow and let you know how it works.

The ability to properly AF in low-light situations is entirely different from a consistent inaccuracy of the focusing mechanism (which is what 99% of all this hubbub is about).

If you WANT a pro camer, then BUY a pro camera. 1D and 1Ds are those models. 10d is an advanced amateur camera - and certainly some engineering design tradeoffs have been made to enable it to hit the mass market at a sub-$1,500 price point.
--
Gary
 
The guy's happy with his camera. He makes a post to indicate that
there's at least one 10D in existance which works fine for his
purposes.

And you gotta sh~t on him. What's up with that?

-- Lew
I'm glad you said it and not me ;-)
misery loves company!
--
Gary
 
My 10d had the same problem. Didn't focus properly in low light or
daylight. I'll have it back in my hands tomorrow and let you know
how it works.
that should be interesting, so yours didn't AF properly in any conditions??
The ability to properly AF in low-light situations is entirely
different from a consistent inaccuracy of the focusing mechanism
(which is what 99% of all this hubbub is about).
true, but my old D30 focused just fine in broad daylight(& could have taken the photos in this thread I think), but was almost useless in low-light.
If you WANT a pro camer, then BUY a pro camera. 1D and 1Ds are
those models.
I did buy one
10d is an advanced amateur camera - and certainly
some engineering design tradeoffs have been made to enable it to
hit the mass market at a sub-$1,500 price point.
True, but it should still Af correctly
 
It's the tone of his post that implies that anyone who thinks that thier camera does not focus well is off thier bloody rocker. Had all 10D's shipped in perfect working order and he had posted that subject line, we'd all be flaming him and saying "of course it does, what's your point?" instead of flaming everyone who even mentions the remote possibility that theirs has a problem. Many people with a problem 10D may take it as a dig towards them.

Perhaps objectively listening to people and offering some actual good advice is more of what's needed here. I don't see enough posts that say "try this, this and this, and if that doesn't work then send it in". Most replies to 10D problems here never get as far as the "send it in" part, giving the poster the benefit of the doubt that they may actually have a problem unit. Most posts go like this - "a. are you a rookie?, b. read the manual,, c. it's supposed to look like that, d. you must be an idiot."

Honestly, unless you are there holding thier 10D, how do you know how well that particular unit works? I diagnose technical problems over the phone all day long. This is not something that's diagnoseable(?) over the phone or internet. If after a few suggestions the guy (or gal) can't get any better results, then a good suggestion would be to send it in to Canon and let an actual qualified technicain look at it, rather than all of the amature technicians offering so much "advice".

Mark Currier
And you gotta sh~t on him. What's up with that?

-- Lew
Look, the 10D is a very nice camera. But there are some REAL issues.

The REAL problem appears to be at widest aperture on low F-number
lenses. If you are shooting outdoors with say F8, yes you will
 
My 10d had the same problem. Didn't focus properly in low light or
daylight. I'll have it back in my hands tomorrow and let you know
how it works.
that should be interesting, so yours didn't AF properly in any
conditions??
Nope - the actual focal plane was consistently in front of (closer to the camera) than where the AF would lock. Every time. Every lens. Every lighting situation
The ability to properly AF in low-light situations is entirely
different from a consistent inaccuracy of the focusing mechanism
(which is what 99% of all this hubbub is about).
true, but my old D30 focused just fine in broad daylight(& could
have taken the photos in this thread I think), but was almost
useless in low-light.
Again, I'm sure you're correct - but the ability for the AF mechanism to operate properly in low-Ev conditions is a different problem than most are having. Low-light Ev performance is a design limitation. Consistently front or back focusing in all conditions is simply a calibration issue. That's all I am trying to say.
If you WANT a pro camer, then BUY a pro camera. 1D and 1Ds are
those models.
I did buy one
As will I as November draws near (closer to HS hockey season) I'm hoping an upgrade for the 1D will hit the streets by then - if not, a 1D it will be!
10d is an advanced amateur camera - and certainly
some engineering design tradeoffs have been made to enable it to
hit the mass market at a sub-$1,500 price point.
True, but it should still Af correctly
"Correctly" to me means accurately within design parameters. My 10D never AF'd correctly. Low-end DSLR's (as you are well aware) such as D30/D60/10D have fairly high Ev thresholds - i.e. if there isn't much light, the camera isn't really designed to focus. It's definitely a weakness to some - and a non-issue to others. It all depends upon the conditions in which you use it.

--
Gary
 
Amongst all the "Does it focus, will it focus" posts on the thread, everyone seems to be missing the Major point.

Fastlane didn't take the shots, his "Technically challenged" - his words - wife did. And she did a great job. (OK, maybe he set the camera up and all she had to do was "point and shoot".) But it does prove that you don't need to be a technical guru to get decent shots from a 10D. And the last shot is all about timing!

So a little praise for Mrs Fastlane perhaps....... her copyright after all?

And congrats to Fastlane (don't want him feeling left out) for buying the 10D in the first place!
--
KenC
 
... where you're looking from.
It's the tone of his post that implies that anyone who thinks that
thier camera does not focus well is off thier bloody rocker.
I'm not seeing where this can be reasonably taken from his post.
flaming everyone who even
mentions the remote possibility that theirs has a problem. Many
people with a problem 10D may take it as a dig towards them.
I really don't waste my time with anything more than glancing at those threads so I won't claim otherwise. I will say that at least some folks who do end up with a problem camera have a tendency to announce to the world that all cameras of that model are faulty. Which is simply ludicrous as we all know -- but tends to give a skewed picture of reality to folks just looking in as they're considering a DSLR. And for the folks reading this who lack basic reading comprehension skills (not you mark) let me spell it out: it is just as ludicrous to claim all units are clean as it is to claim all units are faulty.
Perhaps objectively listening to people and offering some actual
good advice is more of what's needed here. [...] Most posts go
like this - "a. are you a rookie?, b. read the manual,, c. it's
supposed to look like that, d. you must be an idiot."
indeed... there has been a progression -- I think the more reasonable and helpful folks have given up in face of the "my 10D sucks so all of them must suck" zealots who blast anyone who might suggest that some instances may be user error and/or offer any examples of where there are 10D's which work fine. I mean why waste your time trying to help someone determine if the problem is in their camera, lens, or behind the camera when all that's going to happen is you'll get blasted?
Honestly, unless you are there holding thier 10D, how do you know
how well that particular unit works?
While I agree with the thrust of this statement, the ability to share straight-from-the-camera files does often allow folks to make better guesses at what might have happened. For example, if someone claims that their images are always blurry indoors and the EXIF data from example images shows a 1/10sec shutter speed, it's fairly clear what the issue is.
I diagnose technical problems
over the phone all day long.
Been there, done that, couldn't pay me enough to go back! :)

-- Lew

--
Any DSLR beats unexposed film.
 

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