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Ulysses said:
You're totally misreading what the guys at Imaging Resource are
saying. They're acknowledging that Sony hasn't gotten its due
credit as a camera company, but that the quality of their products
for the past couple of generations have really been proving those
opinions wrong.

They really like the Sony cameras (believe me), and they like the
V1 in particular for what it brings to the table now. It's a new
class of camera.
JohnK said:
Brian said:
What do you think?
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Pompous BS, Sony bashing, written to fill the empty space around
the ads on a commercial website, that's what I think. For example:
"I'll begin here with my conclusion: This could well be the digicam
that finally earns Sony the respect of the "enthusiast" crowd. The
upper end of Sony's Cyber-shot line have long sported features the
equal of many high end models from other manufacturers, but until
now, it's never seemed to me that their top-end units really got
the respect they deserved from the true 'enthusiasts.'"
What a load of hot air. Wait for a real review from Phil.
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JohnK
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Ulysses
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--Hey U, that is what I am reading into this. They seem to be very high on the V-1
Tanglefoot1947 717, B-300, G-3, Sony P-7, Canon i950
 
What are the "enthusiasts" that the review refers to? The term is not self-explanatory to me in the context of cameras. Does the review mean "enthusiasts" to be those who are enthusiastic about cameras in general (regardless of skill or ability)? Or those with particular knowledge and interest in cameras? Or something else altogether?
Brian said:
What do you think?

http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEW1.HTM
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Tanglefoot1947 said:
--Hey U, that is what I am reading into this. They seem to be very
high on the V-1
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And who wouldn't be? :-)

It's the first camera in its size class and price to have so many significant features: Full manual features, laser focus assist, external flash, nice Carl Zeiss lens, and more. Sony's going to have a winner, although certainly not all users here are going to need one.

Personally, I'm not partial to the body style of the V1, but I still like it for what it offers.

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Ulysses
 
Well, OK, if you say so, I respect your opinion, Ulysses. I'm glad they like the V1, I do too. I'm sorry I went off on them. I guess I'd just like to know who are these so-called "true enthusiasts" who won't give Sony their due? Not me apparently, because I already use a Sony camera? Boy, they must be enthusiatic if they don't mind clipped highlights, digging in menus to change camera settings, inability to focus in low light, and so forth.
Ulysses said:
You're totally misreading what the guys at Imaging Resource are
saying. They're acknowledging that Sony hasn't gotten its due
credit as a camera company, but that the quality of their products
for the past couple of generations have really been proving those
opinions wrong.

They really like the Sony cameras (believe me), and they like the
V1 in particular for what it brings to the table now. It's a new
class of camera.
JohnK said:
Brian said:
What do you think?
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Pompous BS, Sony bashing, written to fill the empty space around
the ads on a commercial website, that's what I think. For example:
"I'll begin here with my conclusion: This could well be the digicam
that finally earns Sony the respect of the "enthusiast" crowd. The
upper end of Sony's Cyber-shot line have long sported features the
equal of many high end models from other manufacturers, but until
now, it's never seemed to me that their top-end units really got
the respect they deserved from the true 'enthusiasts.'"
What a load of hot air. Wait for a real review from Phil.
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JohnK
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Ulysses
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JohnK
 
Is it my imagination or do the V1 sample pictures (at ISO 100) have significantly lower noise than 717 pictures (at ISO 100)? If so, this bodes well for the successor to the 717 too, as it would appear that Sony has improved their CCD sensor technology. The one thing that bugs me about my 717 is the noise even at ISO 100. (ie: not super clean like DSLR pix).

Caitlyn
 
JohnK said:
I'd just like to know who are these so-called "true enthusiasts"
who won't give Sony their due?
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Exactly. Those are the guys who you might want to be a little miffed about. It's an elitist sense of what it is that makes a camera that's at fault.

You won't find that attitude with the guys at IR.

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Ulysses
 
thomas molnar said:
Greg

How are you? Im the guy that bought and since sold your 5700. I
currently have an Olympus 5050. Are you dumping the 717 for the
V1? When is that puppy due out? Im going to Sedona on May 10!
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The Sony DSC-V1 is due out in May or June depending on what you read. Hoping for May. Have mine preordered.

Hope all is well!

Greg Gebhardt Nikon D1 & D1x. Sony 717, Epson 2200 & PS7
Jacksonville, Florida
 
Brian said:
What do you think?

http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEW1.HTM
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hello all. I'm (going to be) new to digital photography. I need 4 or 5 mps to shoot artwork for our workshop business but need something simple enough for my [smart] 9 and 14 year-olds to use too. been researching this and the other "big" sites for about 6 months and have learned lots and enjoyed many of your photos. was ready to buy a Nikon 4500 till I went to B&H and tried it and hated the swivel thing. was ready to buy the highly touted G3 till I went to B&H and tried it and was horrified by the lens barrel blockage (plus the red eye reports everywhere). I've always wanted to be able to just carry a camera to shoot when something strikes me (and in nyc there's ALWAYS something) so the 717 is really too big for me (and probably a bit too complicated). the V-1 seems like it was made for me.
BUT, am I the only Mac user that's bugged by the non-compatibility with OSX?
BB
 
I just bought a Canon S50, but I think I am going to return it and wait for the V1 (and then possibly re-buy the S50 anyway). From what I have read, here is what I see as the drawbacks to the V1 compared to the S50 (please correct me if any of these are incorrect):

1. It apparently only has a 10 second timer -- the 2 second timer setting on the S50 is very useful for tripod shots. Waiting 10 seconds for every long shutter shot seems like it would be horribly annoying.

2. Despite its 1 oz lighter weight, the V1 looks less pocketable, and more chunky.

3. Requires overpriced memory stick.

4. No ability to save a group of custom settings.

5. Does not have a second-curtain flash setting (useful for capturing a truer sense of motion in slow synchro flash mode).

6. More expensive (especially when you include media cost).

The advantages of the V1 over the S50 are pretty obvious:

1. 4x zoom, as opposed to 3x.

2. Nightshot framing looks very useful.

3. laser assist focusing looks very useful.

4. live histogram preview.

5. hot shoe flash

6. ISO 800

7. The ability to set up folders on large memory sticks sounds kind of useful.

Have I missed anything?
 
Matt F said:
I just bought a Canon S50, but I think I am going to return it and
wait for the V1 (and then possibly re-buy the S50 anyway). From
what I have read, here is what I see as the drawbacks to the V1
compared to the S50 (please correct me if any of these are
incorrect):

1. It apparently only has a 10 second timer -- the 2 second timer
setting on the S50 is very useful for tripod shots. Waiting 10
seconds for every long shutter shot seems like it would be horribly
annoying.

2. Despite its 1 oz lighter weight, the V1 looks less pocketable,
and more chunky.

3. Requires overpriced memory stick.

4. No ability to save a group of custom settings.

5. Does not have a second-curtain flash setting (useful for
capturing a truer sense of motion in slow synchro flash mode).

6. More expensive (especially when you include media cost).

The advantages of the V1 over the S50 are pretty obvious:

1. 4x zoom, as opposed to 3x.

2. Nightshot framing looks very useful.

3. laser assist focusing looks very useful.

4. live histogram preview.

5. hot shoe flash

6. ISO 800

7. The ability to set up folders on large memory sticks sounds kind
of useful.

Have I missed anything?
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--I sent my S-50 back after a short time coudln't live with all that red eye. The reason I have ordered the V-1 is I have a 717 and I think the Sony does a better job than the Canon. I am using the G-3 now which is Canon's top dog in the pro consumer model and the Sony camera's I have are better than it. Laser focusing is very useful.

Tanglefoot1947 717, B-300, G-3, Sony P-7, Canon i950
 
Hey, all you who have already bought the DSC-V1, when are you expecting delivery of it? When will it be available commercially, in stores such as Best Buy (in the US)? Any idea? The Sony site just says "coming in may". That isn't very helpful.

Also, for those of you who have been participating with the website for much longer than I have, when is Phil likely to post a indepth review of the V1?

Thanks,
K!
 
I guess it is a mistake, i don't see why every other Sony DSC would be compatible and not this one, they probably mean that no OSX native software will be delivered, but that is not an issue as you can use iPhoto, or better iView Media Pro.

When you plug your Camera to the USB port, OSX recognize the memory stick automatically, thta's the beauty of the system

I have a P5 and a powerbook on OSX, and it works fine!

Fred/
Beth Bernett said:
BUT, am I the only Mac user that's bugged by the non-compatibility
with OSX?
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Timely thread...I have beein eyeing the V1 and stopped to look at the Canon S50 and Minolta p300.

Re: Those features-I can't speak to the time delays, but the feature set for the V1 is impressive-live histogram, true TTL, special enhanced digital zoom, etc. and attachments.

While I don't expect it to exceed my 717--if it can come close and be that size--it will be my carry camera. It is lighter than the s50 and trim.

As for 'expensive' memory--I really don't think it is any more expensive than any other type and most folks on this forum likely have ms on hand.
Have you bought CF lately???

I called my local store to put a deposit on it and they are very candid with me. They are a HUGE Sony dealer and they don't expect it until July.
They have always been right on the money with their timetables.

I was hoping for a week or two to start hearing about the actual cam...

Greg--hope you get an early one and can fill us in!

Linda
Tanglefoot1947 said:
Matt F said:
I just bought a Canon S50, but I think I am going to return it and
wait for the V1 (and then possibly re-buy the S50 anyway). From
what I have read, here is what I see as the drawbacks to the V1
compared to the S50 (please correct me if any of these are
incorrect):

1. It apparently only has a 10 second timer -- the 2 second timer
setting on the S50 is very useful for tripod shots. Waiting 10
seconds for every long shutter shot seems like it would be horribly
annoying.

2. Despite its 1 oz lighter weight, the V1 looks less pocketable,
and more chunky.

3. Requires overpriced memory stick.

4. No ability to save a group of custom settings.

5. Does not have a second-curtain flash setting (useful for
capturing a truer sense of motion in slow synchro flash mode).

6. More expensive (especially when you include media cost).

The advantages of the V1 over the S50 are pretty obvious:

1. 4x zoom, as opposed to 3x.

2. Nightshot framing looks very useful.

3. laser assist focusing looks very useful.

4. live histogram preview.

5. hot shoe flash

6. ISO 800

7. The ability to set up folders on large memory sticks sounds kind
of useful.

Have I missed anything?
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--I sent my S-50 back after a short time coudln't live with all
that red eye. The reason I have ordered the V-1 is I have a 717 and
I think the Sony does a better job than the Canon. I am using the
G-3 now which is Canon's top dog in the pro consumer model and the
Sony camera's I have are better than it. Laser focusing is very
useful.

Tanglefoot1947 717, B-300, G-3, Sony P-7, Canon i950
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My camera store insists to me it is not coming until July....they are usually

very candid with me. They are also a major Sony retailer and usually are among the first...

Who knows--maybe Amazon has some pull...?
K! said:
Hey, all you who have already bought the DSC-V1, when are you
expecting delivery of it? When will it be available commercially,
in stores such as Best Buy (in the US)? Any idea? The Sony site
just says "coming in may". That isn't very helpful.

Also, for those of you who have been participating with the website
for much longer than I have, when is Phil likely to post a indepth
review of the V1?

Thanks,
K!
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Matt F said:
Matt F wrote:
I just bought a Canon S50, but I think I am going to return it and
wait for the V1 (and then possibly re-buy the S50 anyway). From
what I have read, here is what I see as the drawbacks to the V1
compared to the S50 (please correct me if any of these are
incorrect):
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Matt, I'm in the same boat. I sold my 717 in order to buy a smaller cam and return to my previous digicam roots (Canon S40 and Elph). I'm now testing out the S50 and am waiting for the V1.
Matt F said:
1. It apparently only has a 10 second timer -- the 2 second timer
setting on the S50 is very useful for tripod shots. Waiting 10
seconds for every long shutter shot seems like it would be horribly
annoying.
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True. I find the 2-sec timer VERY useful for candid night pics.
Matt F said:
2. Despite its 1 oz lighter weight, the V1 looks less pocketable,
and more chunky.
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I'll reserve comment until I actually handle the V1.
Matt F said:
3. Requires overpriced memory stick.
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Mem sticks are not over priced now. Sandisk 128meg sticks are cheap here in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
Matt F said:
4. No ability to save a group of custom settings.
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True. However, I do not use this feature on my Canon S50.
Matt F said:
5. Does not have a second-curtain flash setting (useful for
capturing a truer sense of motion in slow synchro flash mode).
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True. However, I do not use this feature on my Canon S50.
Matt F said:
6. More expensive (especially when you include media cost).
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Not THAT much more expensive. It doesn't make a difference to me.
Matt F said:
The advantages of the V1 over the S50 are pretty obvious:
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Matt F said:
1. 4x zoom, as opposed to 3x.
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True. VERY useful.
Matt F said:
2. Nightshot framing looks very useful.
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Actually, NIGHTFRAMING is priceless for me. I take a lot of indoor/lowlight pics.
Matt F said:
3. laser assist focusing looks very useful.
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Yep, You can't get any sharper than that.
Matt F said:
4. live histogram preview.
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True. However, I don't use this feature.
Matt F said:
5. hot shoe flash
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True. This is going to very useful for me.
Matt F said:
6. ISO 800
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Canon's ISO400 is about the same. Not an advantage.
Matt F said:
7. The ability to set up folders on large memory sticks sounds kind
of useful.
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Nah, not really (for me at least).
Matt F said:
Have I missed anything?
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LCD: I like Sony's LCD in daylight.

V1 has Contrast, Sharpness, and Saturation adjustments.

V1 has True Through-The-Lens flash metering. I'm not sure if Canon has this (for it's internal flash)

V1 has an Infolithium battery. I find this useful (knowing remaining battery life).

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Sabesh
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