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Hi Mike,

The tag medium.jpg has to do with the size I am posting it. At Pbase they give me a choice, small, medium, large and original. I like to post here in medium in most cases because of download time is pretty small, with a link to a larger version if a person chooses. However, I can eleminate the medium tag all together and post it ending with just the number with a JPG at the end. In that case, I believe it will come in as the original, far too large for here.

What I'm curious about is the bmp image you are talking about. I may be wrong, but it seems to me that I.E. dowloads it as a jpg and through some kind of interpratation by I.E. it changes that to a bitmap for publication in the browser, but if you downloaded it onto your hard drive, it then places it back as a jpg. Like I said, I could be wrong and full of sh*t or worse. But in anycase, when I uploaded this image, I did it as a jpg at about 90K. And consistantly, on my machine and others (that did not have it captured in the cache) it downloads and saves automatically as a JPG at about 90K.

What it boils down too, if everyone had fast connections then this issue would not be an issue. But, many would love better connections, yet technology has not reached them, so they have no choice but to dialup. That is why I try to post small files on here and Pbase.

Peace
Jim
mike said:
This is a very plausible explanation.

I have no knowledge of how pbase works but if you view the source
code to Jim's post you will see that the image links to a file
called "medium.jpg" leading me to believe that they are recreating
the images with their own names and based on display size.
Furthermore there is no reference to a bitmap file anywhere in the
code yet I get a bitmap when I download the image. This means that
there is a switch being performed on the fly, probably by pbase.
This could very well be a script running on a pbase server,
dpreview server or both.

Good call, Mike.
Ed Leys said:
Jim, I know that mike has read both of my other posts in this
thread. Just to gain a bit more knowledge, you might do the same.

To you both...

Jim only uploads the version of the file Pbase tags as 'original'.
The various other sizings are Pbase constructs, and it makes them
on the fly. That is, it does not stash a 'small' or a 'medium' or
a ..., it makes a newly constructed image when it receives a
request for one. This is one of the things that can make Pbase
provided images such a pain on a site like this. They do not
always end up in your PC cache, so when you are traversing a thread
and come across the same image once again, it does not come out of
your home cache (which would be near enought to instantant), Pbase
once again constructs them.

Right now, Pbase seems to be having some issues. Even though, when
Pbase images are brought up in a seperate window, they show a
'.jpg' suffix, It just might be possible Pbase is providing a
'.bmp' file.

And Jim, my copy of IE 5.5 has no option controlling this in its
set of options. and like I said in my other post to this thread,
one of my photographs served from my web host to this site, does
download as a true jpeg. And that is the only option IE gives me
for its download.

My best,

Ed

--
http://www.blackmallard.com/cal_ls/
California Light and Structure
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/mikefam/
Click to expand...
--

I believe in the KISS principle, 'Keep It Simple Stupid' The more junk you carry, the less effective you'll be because you're always worried about the mechanics, instead of focusing on the subject.
See my gallery at:
http://www.pbase.com/sailingjim/galleries
 
nice gallery Jim, it shows our busy lifes very well. I also saw that neat experiment in your pbase gallery, without the lens. Did you come up with that yourself, or is it a long known litle trick from "back in the film days"?

kind regards,
--
Greg Van den Bleeken
http://www.pbase.com/gbleek
gregvandenbleeken.instantlogic.com
 
Jim:

I believe that internet explorer simply uses ftp protocol to move a file. If it downloads a file called image.bmp it is because that is what the file was stored as. If it downloads a file called image.jpg it is again because that is what the file was stored as. I can put a windows word document out there and name it image.jpg and if you download it it will still be called image.jpg regardless of what sort of data the file contains.

It is when you open the file to view it that the actual contents of the file becomes significant. If a file is named with the jpg extension then your software will treat is as a jpeg image file and try to view it as such. If it really is a jpeg image file then you will see the image. If it is a actually a windows word document file that was named with the jpg extension then you will get an error.

Reread what Ed posted. I think that he hit the nail on the head.

Mike.
Jim Mountford said:
The tag medium.jpg has to do with the size I am posting it. At
Pbase they give me a choice, small, medium, large and original. I
like to post here in medium in most cases because of download time
is pretty small, with a link to a larger version if a person
chooses. However, I can eleminate the medium tag all together and
post it ending with just the number with a JPG at the end. In that
case, I believe it will come in as the original, far too large for
here.

What I'm curious about is the bmp image you are talking about. I
may be wrong, but it seems to me that I.E. dowloads it as a jpg and
through some kind of interpratation by I.E. it changes that to a
bitmap for publication in the browser, but if you downloaded it
onto your hard drive, it then places it back as a jpg. Like I
said, I could be wrong and full of sh*t or worse. But in anycase,
when I uploaded this image, I did it as a jpg at about 90K. And
consistantly, on my machine and others (that did not have it
captured in the cache) it downloads and saves automatically as a
JPG at about 90K.

What it boils down too, if everyone had fast connections then this
issue would not be an issue. But, many would love better
connections, yet technology has not reached them, so they have no
choice but to dialup. That is why I try to post small files on
here and Pbase.

Peace
Jim
mike said:
This is a very plausible explanation.

I have no knowledge of how pbase works but if you view the source
code to Jim's post you will see that the image links to a file
called "medium.jpg" leading me to believe that they are recreating
the images with their own names and based on display size.
Furthermore there is no reference to a bitmap file anywhere in the
code yet I get a bitmap when I download the image. This means that
there is a switch being performed on the fly, probably by pbase.
This could very well be a script running on a pbase server,
dpreview server or both.

Good call, Mike.
Ed Leys said:
Jim, I know that mike has read both of my other posts in this
thread. Just to gain a bit more knowledge, you might do the same.

To you both...

Jim only uploads the version of the file Pbase tags as 'original'.
The various other sizings are Pbase constructs, and it makes them
on the fly. That is, it does not stash a 'small' or a 'medium' or
a ..., it makes a newly constructed image when it receives a
request for one. This is one of the things that can make Pbase
provided images such a pain on a site like this. They do not
always end up in your PC cache, so when you are traversing a thread
and come across the same image once again, it does not come out of
your home cache (which would be near enought to instantant), Pbase
once again constructs them.

Right now, Pbase seems to be having some issues. Even though, when
Pbase images are brought up in a seperate window, they show a
'.jpg' suffix, It just might be possible Pbase is providing a
'.bmp' file.

And Jim, my copy of IE 5.5 has no option controlling this in its
set of options. and like I said in my other post to this thread,
one of my photographs served from my web host to this site, does
download as a true jpeg. And that is the only option IE gives me
for its download.

My best,

Ed

--
http://www.blackmallard.com/cal_ls/
California Light and Structure
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/mikefam/
Click to expand...
--
I believe in the KISS principle, 'Keep It Simple Stupid' The more
junk you carry, the less effective you'll be because you're always
worried about the mechanics, instead of focusing on the subject.
See my gallery at:
http://www.pbase.com/sailingjim/galleries
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/mikefam/
 
Jim,

At work at the time, and the NT 4 box I'm on has IE 4.0 on it (and I do not have the permissions to install a newer version).

Observations...

When I right mouse click on an image of yours, I get (among other options) two that pertain. "save target as" and "save picture as". When I try each option on one of my own photographs maintained on blackmallard.com (my own domain), each of the two options defaults to saving my photograph as a '.jpg' although the "save picture as" allows me the additional option of saving as a '.bmp'.

Things are somewhat different with your Pbase provided photograph.

Pbase does render on the fly.

When I did a "save picture as" on your photograph, IE defaulted to allowing it saved as a '.bmp' with no other options . And, if you carefully read and believed the post I previously asked you to read, I verified that the file is truly saved as a bitmap file. It could only be viewed form my hard drive as a '.bmp', when I forced the suffix to '.jpg' as part of the download process (not after the fact), it could not be understood on my machine as a jpeg, it was only understood when I changed the suffix if the file on my hard drive to '.bmp'. Once I did that, an editor sensitive to the '.bmp' suffix could correctly bring it up.

However, when I tried a "save target as" on you file, it defaulted to being saved as a '.jpg' with no option for '.bmp' supported. However, before giving me the standard window to allow me to save the image to my destination, there was a small brief window showing there was new communication with Pbase to get the image. (This did not happen with the "save picture as", it seemed to be wanting to save what was already on my machine in the IE browser - a bitmap?!?)

When I looked at the file size on my harddrive of the '.jpg' file I received as a consequence of doing a "save target as", the file size was 25,725 bytes, not 90K, leading me to conclude that Pbase once again stepped in to provide a file not truly the one you gave it, just one that looked lilke it.

And I will once again state that at home I have a dial-up connection. The time it took IE to produce your image (separate from from all the normal dpreview page garbage) was about right for a 300K file, not a 90K file, not a 26K file. Pbase cooks up a new image on the fly from whatever you decided to give it, it does not serve up the same file you gave it.

My best,

Ed

--
http://www.blackmallard.com/cal_ls/
California Light and Structure
 
Greg,

Back in my HS days, our photography class had us each build a pinhole camera. The digital images was only a variation of that.

Peace
Jim
Greg VdB said:
nice gallery Jim, it shows our busy lifes very well. I also saw
that neat experiment in your pbase gallery, without the lens. Did
you come up with that yourself, or is it a long known litle trick
from "back in the film days"?

kind regards,
--
Greg Van den Bleeken
http://www.pbase.com/gbleek
gregvandenbleeken.instantlogic.com
Click to expand...
--

I believe in the KISS principle, 'Keep It Simple Stupid' The more junk you carry, the less effective you'll be because you're always worried about the mechanics, instead of focusing on the subject.
See my gallery at:
http://www.pbase.com/sailingjim/galleries
 
Hi there, Jim -

I enjoyed the rotated angle of the shot for added interest. Nice yellow markings also capture the eye.

I wonder if you tried this again, would I like it as is, or would I want to see a point earlier in the escalator's rise? I'm not sure. It looks like he's already at the end of the trip rather than still going up.
Jim Mountford said:
Original at:
http://www.pbase.com/image/15619378

Part of gallery at:
http://www.pbase.com/sailingjim/041803_a



--
I believe in the KISS principle, 'Keep It Simple Stupid' The more
junk you carry, the less effective you'll be because you're always
worried about the mechanics, instead of focusing on the subject.
See my gallery at:
http://www.pbase.com/sailingjim/galleries
Click to expand...
--

Ulysses
 
Ed, if I try to save it here, on DPR, you are correct, it comes saves as a bitmap. If I go to Pbase, it saves as a jpg...go figure. I don't have a clue who is to blame, or not to blame or if its the way pbase and dpr interact. As I said, it could have to do with the way I.E. handles it, in this case, transfering the image from one server to another that are not related, or a host of other reasons.

I think we need someone who is more knowlegeable in this area, say the web master of DPR or some other html guru.

Peace
Jim
Ed Leys said:
Jim,

At work at the time, and the NT 4 box I'm on has IE 4.0 on it (and
I do not have the permissions to install a newer version).

Observations...

When I right mouse click on an image of yours, I get (among other
options) two that pertain. "save target as" and "save picture as".
When I try each option on one of my own photographs maintained on
blackmallard.com (my own domain), each of the two options defaults
to saving my photograph as a '.jpg' although the "save picture as"
allows me the additional option of saving as a '.bmp'.

Things are somewhat different with your Pbase provided photograph.

Pbase does render on the fly.

When I did a "save picture as" on your photograph, IE defaulted to
allowing it saved as a '.bmp' with no other options . And, if you
carefully read and believed the post I previously asked you to
read, I verified that the file is truly saved as a bitmap file. It
could only be viewed form my hard drive as a '.bmp', when I forced
the suffix to '.jpg' as part of the download process (not after the
fact), it could not be understood on my machine as a jpeg, it was
only understood when I changed the suffix if the file on my hard
drive to '.bmp'. Once I did that, an editor sensitive to the
'.bmp' suffix could correctly bring it up.

However, when I tried a "save target as" on you file, it defaulted
to being saved as a '.jpg' with no option for '.bmp' supported.
However, before giving me the standard window to allow me to save
the image to my destination, there was a small brief window showing
there was new communication with Pbase to get the image. (This did
not happen with the "save picture as", it seemed to be wanting to
save what was already on my machine in the IE browser - a bitmap?!?)

When I looked at the file size on my harddrive of the '.jpg' file I
received as a consequence of doing a "save target as", the file
size was 25,725 bytes, not 90K, leading me to conclude that Pbase
once again stepped in to provide a file not truly the one you gave
it, just one that looked lilke it.

And I will once again state that at home I have a dial-up
connection. The time it took IE to produce your image (separate
from from all the normal dpreview page garbage) was about right for
a 300K file, not a 90K file, not a 26K file. Pbase cooks up a new
image on the fly from whatever you decided to give it, it does
not serve up the same file you gave it.

My best,

Ed

--
http://www.blackmallard.com/cal_ls/
California Light and Structure
Click to expand...
--

I believe in the KISS principle, 'Keep It Simple Stupid' The more junk you carry, the less effective you'll be because you're always worried about the mechanics, instead of focusing on the subject.
See my gallery at:
http://www.pbase.com/sailingjim/galleries
 
Hello Ulysses,

Go to the gallery that represents this image. It's pretty much a representation of that mad dash to work. This was the second image.

Peace
Jim
Ulysses said:
I enjoyed the rotated angle of the shot for added interest. Nice
yellow markings also capture the eye.

I wonder if you tried this again, would I like it as is, or would I
want to see a point earlier in the escalator's rise? I'm not sure.
It looks like he's already at the end of the trip rather than still
going up.
Jim Mountford said:
Original at:
http://www.pbase.com/image/15619378

Part of gallery at:
http://www.pbase.com/sailingjim/041803_a



--
I believe in the KISS principle, 'Keep It Simple Stupid' The more
junk you carry, the less effective you'll be because you're always
worried about the mechanics, instead of focusing on the subject.
See my gallery at:
http://www.pbase.com/sailingjim/galleries
Click to expand...
--

Ulysses
Click to expand...
--

I believe in the KISS principle, 'Keep It Simple Stupid' The more junk you carry, the less effective you'll be because you're always worried about the mechanics, instead of focusing on the subject.
See my gallery at:
http://www.pbase.com/sailingjim/galleries
 
Ahhhhh yes. :-)

I think perhaps the first one int the series is what I was imagining in my mind's eye, only in color. You capture the mood of the morning. :-)
Jim Mountford said:
Hello Ulysses,

Go to the gallery that represents this image. It's pretty much a
representation of that mad dash to work. This was the second image.
Click to expand...
--

Ulysses
 
actually it was at 4:35pm, I have to be at work at 4:30

Peace
Jim
Ulysses said:
I think perhaps the first one int the series is what I was
imagining in my mind's eye, only in color. You capture the mood of
the morning. :-)
Jim Mountford said:
Hello Ulysses,

Go to the gallery that represents this image. It's pretty much a
representation of that mad dash to work. This was the second image.
Click to expand...
--

Ulysses
Click to expand...
--

I believe in the KISS principle, 'Keep It Simple Stupid' The more junk you carry, the less effective you'll be because you're always worried about the mechanics, instead of focusing on the subject.
See my gallery at:
http://www.pbase.com/sailingjim/galleries
 
Hello Jim,

I just visit your gallery and I liked it! You certainly have a very interesting way to register the daily situations, this one is great, congrats.

Best regards.

Artur
Jim Mountford said:
Original at:
http://www.pbase.com/image/15619378

Part of gallery at:
http://www.pbase.com/sailingjim/041803_a



--
I believe in the KISS principle, 'Keep It Simple Stupid' The more
junk you carry, the less effective you'll be because you're always
worried about the mechanics, instead of focusing on the subject.
See my gallery at:
http://www.pbase.com/sailingjim/galleries
Click to expand...
--
http://www.artcardoso.com
 
It was the socks that got my attention. When she traveled up the escallator and hit the sunshine, everything fell into place and I snapped my shutter.

Thanks

Peace
Jim
Janusz Strzelecki said:
Janusz Strzelecki said:
Click to expand...
Like it a lot!
Janusz

PS Groovy socks.
Click to expand...
--

I believe in the KISS principle, 'Keep It Simple Stupid' The more junk you carry, the less effective you'll be because you're always worried about the mechanics, instead of focusing on the subject.
See my gallery at:
http://www.pbase.com/sailingjim/galleries
 
Artur,

Thanks.

I've oversaid it here, but there is a different way to approach each subject. There is so much more to humanity then pretty faces and fancy bodies. It's everything around us that makes us people that I like to capture. From a pretty building, to the worst of what we have to offer.

Peace
Jim
Artur Cardoso said:
I just visit your gallery and I liked it! You certainly have a very
interesting way to register the daily situations, this one is
great, congrats.

Best regards.

Artur
Jim Mountford said:
Original at:
http://www.pbase.com/image/15619378

Part of gallery at:
http://www.pbase.com/sailingjim/041803_a



--
I believe in the KISS principle, 'Keep It Simple Stupid' The more
junk you carry, the less effective you'll be because you're always
worried about the mechanics, instead of focusing on the subject.
See my gallery at:
http://www.pbase.com/sailingjim/galleries
Click to expand...
--
http://www.artcardoso.com
Click to expand...
--

I believe in the KISS principle, 'Keep It Simple Stupid' The more junk you carry, the less effective you'll be because you're always worried about the mechanics, instead of focusing on the subject.
See my gallery at:
http://www.pbase.com/sailingjim/galleries
 
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