do not waste your money on L glass

They have all kinds of lenses, but no special designation like "L" (I might be wrong here since I'm not familiar with Nikon world except for Nikon strap on my 10D LOL). It's just more money buys you a better glass, period.

It looks like that special "L" letter by its own virtue drives people crazy. I personally don't care if 70-200IS I own does or does not have that "L" or red ring on it. It's its CAPABILITIES that I bought it four. It's f/2.8, IS, color/contrast, build quality that I bought it for, because I do use these very often.
if you are not a pro you will be wasting money on L glass that can
be spent on other things. If you plan on only viewing photos on the
PC/MAC or printing 4x6s of the CAT/DOG office party etc.. you will
not notice any difference between a 24-85 picture and a 24-70L. get
a 28-135 IS it would stay on the 10D and would be the best
investment for a general purpose lens.
--
Mishkin
 
I snagged the older version 80-200L 2.8 at $725 at KEH. It was
very clean, had the caps, hood and collar. :-)
That's a great lens, too, I hear. One of the guys I work with has one and says it's a terrific lens. I also snagged a like-new-in-box 300mm f/4 L IS last night from a seller on eBay for $860. Picked it up last night from the seller and it's brand new. Looking forward to shooting with it this weekend.
 
if you are not a pro you will be wasting money on L glass that can
be spent on other things. If you plan on only viewing photos on the
PC/MAC or printing 4x6s of the CAT/DOG office party etc.. you will
not notice any difference between a 24-85 picture and a 24-70L. get
a 28-135 IS it would stay on the 10D and would be the best
investment for a general purpose lens.
 
TEACHING others what to do with their money is a good thing.

TELLING others what to do with their money is another.

His post was a bit simplistic, as it didn't address all of the virtues of more expensive lenses.
There no general truth for everyone. If you don't need high-quality
equipment, don't buy it. But teaching others what to do with their
money is plain silly.
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
you can always correct your mistake of buying all that L glass. I'll accept all of it in exchange for 24-85. FedEx overnight, please.

LOL
if you are not a pro you will be wasting money on L glass that can
be spent on other things. If you plan on only viewing photos on the
PC/MAC or printing 4x6s of the CAT/DOG office party etc.. you will
not notice any difference between a 24-85 picture and a 24-70L. get
a 28-135 IS it would stay on the 10D and would be the best
investment for a general purpose lens.
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
--
Mishkin
 
A good example of why I seldom shoot portraits wide-open with my primes. Talk about zero DOF!

With that kinda DOF, you can get the eyes sharp, and tell them not to worry about needing ANY make-up. The DOF will airbrush them automatically. LOL.
I used not only L glass but a prime instead of my usualy 35-350 and
look what I got totally unacceptable I think I have a defective L
oh wait maybe it was front/back focusing :)





135 L at f2.0
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
here is my lesson: put all your L glass in their pouches and boxes, put it in a big box with all the foam peanuts you can find in your house, and overnight it to me.

It's a good thing :)))

LOL
TELLING others what to do with their money is another.

His post was a bit simplistic, as it didn't address all of the
virtues of more expensive lenses.
There no general truth for everyone. If you don't need high-quality
equipment, don't buy it. But teaching others what to do with their
money is plain silly.
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
--
Mishkin
 
That could be the subject of an interesting thread: why DID you buy a digital SLR?

For me, I was SICK and TIRED of scanning negatives from my EOS-3. Enough so that I was willing to give up that great camera for the D30, warts and all.
If people were honest in this forum the vast majority of people
here would admit that before DSLR's they had never owned a camera
with a interchangable lens before and that the became interested in
photography by using a P&S digital camera and
sharing,emailing,discussing photos. Many of these people are not
really that interested in photography at all but rather interested
in the technical aspects of digital photography and the equipment
itself in essence they are the digital photographic equivlent of
computer geeks that is more interested in the gear itself and its
operation then actualy producing something with it. Its a trap even
I find easy to fall into and in fact there is absolutley nothing
wrong with it. People collect cameras who do not take photograph's
its a similar thing. These type's of people know that they don't
need L glass but simply "want" it and I say good for them. If
digital photography converts just one single person into the next
Ansel Adam's or Herb Ritts regardless of how they started out in
the hobby then in my opinion its worth the thousands of people that
just like playing around with camera's.
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
Hey Paul,

You may be right on this. I did have interchangable lens cameras though dating back to 1976 and my first SLR, a Konica SLR-T (not to be confused with the T3).

And when digital got good enough for me to consider, it was also too expensive for me to consider more than p&s. That is what got me a Casio QV3000. When the internal flash died with a Best Buy warranty in place, I upgraded to a Oly E10. I would not have spent $2K on a E10 at once. But split apart by nearly a year I could justify it to myself.

The result is I am back in to photography. I am not back though to spending gobs of money on equipment. I did that once with a pair of Canon A1 bodies, glass, flash, etc. Most glass did not get used and my kit was too heavy. It rarely got used and without a darkroom, it just was not the same.

Over the years my priorities have changed and good enough is all I am after. I don't do it for a living but I do desire adequate quality. Hence I don't buy ProMaster (though it might be okay) nor do I buy L glass (it is GREAT but $$$). I fall the group that buys Tameron [me] or Sigma.

When I purchased my flash, I did months of research. In the end I purchased a Metz 54 with the Canon shoe. It is a wonderful flash and I have no issues with it. Could I have gotten something less expensive? Probably but my research said for my needs the Metz is the item to get.

This last weekend, my local shop had dropped the price on Transcend 512MB 30X CF cards to $130. It hit my threshold and I purchased one.

I've been toying with the idea of some L glass. I just can't seem to open the pocket book to do it. Why am I considering L glass? Because twice in the last month I could have used a 2.8 lens or IS. Will I break over and get L glass? Probably not at this time. My style of shooting does not demand it and I can use that money for vacation, IRA, etc.

Through this rambling I hope others will see that there is more to life than buying photography (or computer) gear. We have to use it and get the most out of it we can. Something with all the bells and whistles means nothing if we don't use it.

Thanks and take care,
...
If people were honest in this forum the vast majority of people
here would admit that before DSLR's they had never owned a camera
with a interchangable lens before and that the became interested in
photography by using a P&S digital camera and
sharing,emailing,discussing photos. Many of these people are not
really that interested in photography at all but rather interested
in the technical aspects of digital photography and the equipment
itself in essence they are the digital photographic equivlent of
computer geeks that is more interested in the gear itself and its
operation then actualy producing something with it. Its a trap even
I find easy to fall into and in fact there is absolutley nothing
wrong with it. People collect cameras who do not take photograph's
its a similar thing. These type's of people know that they don't
need L glass but simply "want" it and I say good for them. If
digital photography converts just one single person into the next
Ansel Adam's or Herb Ritts regardless of how they started out in
the hobby then in my opinion its worth the thousands of people that
just like playing around with camera's.
--
TonyK
 
You'll have to explain that one to me again. And again, and again, and again . . . . ;)

Now, if you want to carry my bag of L's that 2.8 miles (each way) to Rainbow Falls if I ever come out that way, I'll let you use the lenses there. ;)
here is my lesson: put all your L glass in their pouches and boxes,
put it in a big box with all the foam peanuts you can find in your
house, and overnight it to me.
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
I think that this forum ignores the value of prime lenses. You can
get sharper photos from a $300 prime than you can from a $1400 L
zoom. The same holds true of low-light photography. A flexible
f2.8 zoom really pales when compared to a "inflexible" f2 or f1.4
prime. The ability to shoot at 800 rather than 1600 or 3200 will
make a huge difference in quality of the final photo. Canon makes
some really incredible prime lenses for a very low price. I have
the 35 f2 and the 50 1.4. The 85 1.8 and 100 f2 are also great
lenses. The only thing missing in their prime lineup is an
affordable ultrawide like a 20 1.8 for $500-600. Any Canon
engineers out there?
Everything you said is spot on.

Except the 20/1.8; Sigma makes a pretty good one. It just has a funny filter size.
 
Think about this. You take a photo that you like a lot (or somebody else likes). Then you want to put a large print to your wall at home or at office. You send it to the printing lab or print it by yourself. You notice that photo is showing its shortcomings. It's blurry or soft and there are CA in few places. How do you react? I know myself, so I decided to "invest" on lenses. This was one reason. I do have one non L, 50mm 1.4. Others will be L.

BTW, I don't have all equips yet, but I expect them to arrive here later in this week.

JMu
if you are not a pro you will be wasting money on L glass that can
be spent on other things. If you plan on only viewing photos on the
PC/MAC or printing 4x6s of the CAT/DOG office party etc.. you will
not notice any difference between a 24-85 picture and a 24-70L. get
a 28-135 IS it would stay on the 10D and would be the best
investment for a general purpose lens.
 
The only thing missing in their prime lineup is an
affordable ultrawide like a 20 1.8 for $500-600. Any Canon
engineers out there?
That lens is $419.95 at B&H. I hear it is really excellent. It may be one of my next buys.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bh2.sph/FrameWork.class?FNC=ProductActivator__Aproductlist_html___12082___CA2028EF___USA___CatID=0___SID=F4E8721A5E0

--
Keith
http://www.pbase.com/dod1011/galleries
(More images to come...)
(See my profile for gear)

'If Saddam survives the war but loses a leg how pi$$ed will his body doubles be?'
 
I think the point may have been missed, the point is do you spend a
lot upfront for better quality or do you spend little, but keep
replacing over the long run?
I agree that if you want to pay extra for the quality that you can see and can afford to do it, then by all mean do. But before that L lens photos come out looking better than a consumer zoom, I suspect that a bit of time has to be spent learning how to use it (same for the consumer zoom).

But , buying a 3x expensive lens just so that you can later have a better resales value is ludicrous. You are better off investing that money elsewhere. And yet, while some people like the extra weight L lenses offer, but most consumers I think would pick the weight and size of a 24-85 over the 24-70L.
 
When you've actually got time to change the lenses, or can easily move to get the framing you want, primes are the way to go.

For certain types of shooting, zooms make more sense. At least until the lights get very low or the focal lengths get very long, then one must rely on primes again, as they are the only solution available.
I think that this forum ignores the value of prime lenses. You can
get sharper photos from a $300 prime than you can from a $1400 L
zoom. The same holds true of low-light photography. A flexible
f2.8 zoom really pales when compared to a "inflexible" f2 or f1.4
prime. The ability to shoot at 800 rather than 1600 or 3200 will
make a huge difference in quality of the final photo. Canon makes
some really incredible prime lenses for a very low price. I have
the 35 f2 and the 50 1.4. The 85 1.8 and 100 f2 are also great
lenses. The only thing missing in their prime lineup is an
affordable ultrawide like a 20 1.8 for $500-600. Any Canon
engineers out there?
Everything you said is spot on.

Except the 20/1.8; Sigma makes a pretty good one. It just has a
funny filter size.
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
Would that make me a better photographer?

Hmmm, it might. Though I'd probably end up with worse images. LOL.
you can always correct your mistake of buying all that L glass.
I'll accept all of it in exchange for 24-85. FedEx overnight,
please.

LOL
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
I can see it now...
Auto make up mode ;-)
With that kinda DOF, you can get the eyes sharp, and tell them not
to worry about needing ANY make-up. The DOF will airbrush them
automatically. LOL.
I used not only L glass but a prime instead of my usualy 35-350 and
look what I got totally unacceptable I think I have a defective L
oh wait maybe it was front/back focusing :)





135 L at f2.0
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 

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