Why buy an E-20 today??

David M. said:

GageFX said:

David M. said:

Small wonder,
then, that Olympus is putting so much effort into its upcoming DSLR
line; there's no doubt in my mind that the company clearly sees the
writing on the wall.

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Um, no... they wanted to ESTABLISH A SYSTEM and compete with the
IL-SLR systems. As far as "establishing a system", are you even
aware that the 4/3s will introduce an entirely new format to
photography? Akin to 35mm, med., format, large format, etc... it
isnt just building an IL-DSLR camera, it is creating a new format
ALONG with it's own IL system. There is no reason to assume they
will stop making FL-DSLRs. None.

David M. said:

So where does that leave me now?

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Mark said it best.

David M. said:

I could buy a film SLR, and then
use the lenses on its digital counterpart someday,

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Or buy a Godd@mn digital F-ing camera.

David M. said:

in the meantime
being saddled with the inconvenience of film costs and development
time (and the cost of burning selected images onto a CD). The bad
side is that in the future I would have to buy only a digital
camera that would wrap around those particular lenses.

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Oh, but there is no market for a fixed lens camera where the price
of a IL-DSLR BODY ALONE will cost you the same as a FL-DSLR body
WITH LENS. Are you dense?

David M. said:

Or I could wait until about November, when a test model of the new
Olympus DSLR is loaned to Phil for review before making a
purchasing decision,

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Why not just wait until 2023? We'll have swell cameras by then and
they'll all cost $1.50.

David M. said:

using my old Minolta film camera in the
meantime. If the Olympus doesn't measure up to snuff, I would be
free to buy into Nikon, Fuji or Canon, all three of which make very
good DSLRs on the prosumer level.

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Which they do RIGHT NOW, so what the F are you waiting for?

David M. said:

The bottom line seems to be this: If you're going to invest in
photography for the purpose of artistic composition, in one way or
another you're going to be spending big dollars to get what you
need and to expand your creative horizons. There simply is no
alternative.

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No alternative? No alternative. Dont tell that to Asya at
http://www.myownself.com/

See, she has been using a G1 and now a CP 5700. Guess that blows
your theory out of the water. Actually, you will probably now take
it as proff that the 5700 is better than the E-xx.

David M. said:

That being the case, it appears to me that it makes no
sense to purchase an E-20 in today's market.

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It would at least save this forum from your ill-reasoned theories.

David M. said:

I would, however, like to hear users' comments on this.

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You've got mine.

-GageFX

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--
Oly E20/TCON-300, Kodak DC4800's/Ektanar lenses, Canon GL1, ZR25,
Minolta HTsi+ 28-80/75-300 Silver
PBase supporter

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GageFX said:

GageFX133521 said:

Small wonder,
then, that Olympus is putting so much effort into its upcoming DSLR
line; there's no doubt in my mind that the company clearly sees the
writing on the wall.

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Um, no... they wanted to ESTABLISH A SYSTEM and compete with the
IL-SLR systems. As far as "establishing a system", are you even
aware that the 4/3s will introduce an entirely new format to
photography? Akin to 35mm, med., format, large format, etc... it
isnt just building an IL-DSLR camera, it is creating a new format
ALONG with it's own IL system. There is no reason to assume they
will stop making FL-DSLRs. None.

GageFX133521 said:

So where does that leave me now?

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Mark said it best.

GageFX133521 said:

I could buy a film SLR, and then
use the lenses on its digital counterpart someday,

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Or buy a Godd@mn digital F-ing camera.

GageFX133521 said:

in the meantime
being saddled with the inconvenience of film costs and development
time (and the cost of burning selected images onto a CD). The bad
side is that in the future I would have to buy only a digital
camera that would wrap around those particular lenses.

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Oh, but there is no market for a fixed lens camera where the price
of a IL-DSLR BODY ALONE will cost you the same as a FL-DSLR body
WITH LENS. Are you dense?

GageFX133521 said:

Or I could wait until about November, when a test model of the new
Olympus DSLR is loaned to Phil for review before making a
purchasing decision,

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Why not just wait until 2023? We'll have swell cameras by then and
they'll all cost $1.50.

GageFX133521 said:

using my old Minolta film camera in the
meantime. If the Olympus doesn't measure up to snuff, I would be
free to buy into Nikon, Fuji or Canon, all three of which make very
good DSLRs on the prosumer level.

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Which they do RIGHT NOW, so what the F are you waiting for?

GageFX133521 said:

The bottom line seems to be this: If you're going to invest in
photography for the purpose of artistic composition, in one way or
another you're going to be spending big dollars to get what you
need and to expand your creative horizons. There simply is no
alternative.

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No alternative? No alternative. Dont tell that to Asya at
http://www.myownself.com/

See, she has been using a G1 and now a CP 5700. Guess that blows
your theory out of the water. Actually, you will probably now take
it as proff that the 5700 is better than the E-xx.

GageFX133521 said:

That being the case, it appears to me that it makes no
sense to purchase an E-20 in today's market.

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It would at least save this forum from your ill-reasoned theories.

GageFX133521 said:

I would, however, like to hear users' comments on this.

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You've got mine.

-GageFX

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Bill Wallace said:

Asya's web site is extremely thought provoking. What would it be
like to hang out with her for a day or two.....Her work is simply
off the charts, some you love and some leaves you speechless.
Thanks for the link..
I have to reread the interview & gaze some more.

Happy Easter, Bill

GageFX said:

Bill Wallace said:

Small wonder,
then, that Olympus is putting so much effort into its upcoming DSLR
line; there's no doubt in my mind that the company clearly sees the
writing on the wall.

Click to expand...

Um, no... they wanted to ESTABLISH A SYSTEM and compete with the
IL-SLR systems. As far as "establishing a system", are you even
aware that the 4/3s will introduce an entirely new format to
photography? Akin to 35mm, med., format, large format, etc... it
isnt just building an IL-DSLR camera, it is creating a new format
ALONG with it's own IL system. There is no reason to assume they
will stop making FL-DSLRs. None.

Bill Wallace said:

So where does that leave me now?

Click to expand...

Mark said it best.

Bill Wallace said:

I could buy a film SLR, and then
use the lenses on its digital counterpart someday,

Click to expand...

Or buy a Godd@mn digital F-ing camera.

Bill Wallace said:

in the meantime
being saddled with the inconvenience of film costs and development
time (and the cost of burning selected images onto a CD). The bad
side is that in the future I would have to buy only a digital
camera that would wrap around those particular lenses.

Click to expand...

Oh, but there is no market for a fixed lens camera where the price
of a IL-DSLR BODY ALONE will cost you the same as a FL-DSLR body
WITH LENS. Are you dense?

Bill Wallace said:

Or I could wait until about November, when a test model of the new
Olympus DSLR is loaned to Phil for review before making a
purchasing decision,

Click to expand...

Why not just wait until 2023? We'll have swell cameras by then and
they'll all cost $1.50.

Bill Wallace said:

using my old Minolta film camera in the
meantime. If the Olympus doesn't measure up to snuff, I would be
free to buy into Nikon, Fuji or Canon, all three of which make very
good DSLRs on the prosumer level.

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Which they do RIGHT NOW, so what the F are you waiting for?

Bill Wallace said:

The bottom line seems to be this: If you're going to invest in
photography for the purpose of artistic composition, in one way or
another you're going to be spending big dollars to get what you
need and to expand your creative horizons. There simply is no
alternative.

Click to expand...

No alternative? No alternative. Dont tell that to Asya at
http://www.myownself.com/

See, she has been using a G1 and now a CP 5700. Guess that blows
your theory out of the water. Actually, you will probably now take
it as proff that the 5700 is better than the E-xx.

Bill Wallace said:

That being the case, it appears to me that it makes no
sense to purchase an E-20 in today's market.

Click to expand...

It would at least save this forum from your ill-reasoned theories.

Bill Wallace said:

I would, however, like to hear users' comments on this.

Click to expand...

You've got mine.

-GageFX

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--

Oly E-20, Oly 4040Z, FL-40 pbase supporter
http://www.pbase.com/papa51

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GageFX said:

I baby the 10D much more than I ever did my E-10.

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A E Hansen said:

GageFX said:

I baby the 10D much more than I ever did my E-10.

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I agree with that. The build of my 10d is not bad, but my E-20
definitely seems much tougher.

-- A E Hansen

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Allan Wyatt said:

In a previous post, I had asked whether it might be better for a
novice to start out with a ZLR rather than a more expensive D-SLR
setup. I had also attempted to compare the E-20 with Nikon's 5700.
I've never seen an image with either camera, but it was my opinion
that the 5700 took better pictures, based on Phil's review and from
what I'd read on various forums. The issue of quality from any
particular ZLR may no longer be important, however, because I
believe the advantages offered by these cameras no longer applies
in today's market.

When the E-20 was released more than a year ago, it appeared to
have an advantage over DSLRs in terms of price and portability, but
the former no longer applies effectively, and the latter was always
just an illusion.

Since the E-20 only has an effective focal length range of 140mm, a
teleconverter and adapter have to be fitted to it to achieve any
respectable telephoto length. This makes it more bulky, and nearly
as inconvenient and pricey, as prosumer DSLRs from Canon and Nikon.
And in no way does the E-20 measure up to the quality, feature and
speed levels of either the 10D or D100. (Since I've recently seen
the 5700 in a camera shop in another city, I've determined that
this little, fragile toy is horrible to use and learn.)

I don't believe that there's really a solid future for ZLRs.
Another edition may be released, but that should be about it. DSLRs
are fast coming down in price, and since they are no more unwieldy
than something like the E-20, they will garner so much business
that it will no longer be profitable to make ZLRs. Small wonder,
then, that Olympus is putting so much effort into its upcoming DSLR
line; there's no doubt in my mind that the company clearly sees the
writing on the wall.

So where does that leave me now? I could buy a film SLR, and then
use the lenses on its digital counterpart someday, in the meantime
being saddled with the inconvenience of film costs and development
time (and the cost of burning selected images onto a CD). The bad
side is that in the future I would have to buy only a digital
camera that would wrap around those particular lenses.

Or I could wait until about November, when a test model of the new
Olympus DSLR is loaned to Phil for review before making a
purchasing decision, using my old Minolta film camera in the
meantime. If the Olympus doesn't measure up to snuff, I would be
free to buy into Nikon, Fuji or Canon, all three of which make very
good DSLRs on the prosumer level.

The bottom line seems to be this: If you're going to invest in
photography for the purpose of artistic composition, in one way or
another you're going to be spending big dollars to get what you
need and to expand your creative horizons. There simply is no
alternative. That being the case, it appears to me that it makes no
sense to purchase an E-20 in today's market. I would, however, like
to hear users' comments on this.

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TrentMcD said:

(Stay out of this Trent, it’s not worth your while. Even if he had
some valid points (which he doesn’t) it takes a special type of
person to enter a user’s forum and tell everyone they are stupid
for their choice. Don’t stoop to his level and answer. Just stay
away, stay away.…….)

Hello? ….. Is this live? …… Test….test…(tap, tap, tap)

Um, I’m sorry, I didn’t realize the mic was live…..I guess I have
to say something now……

Look around at this forum. Sure, it’s seen it’s better day. Yet
there are still a bunch of very talented people here. There are
people still making money from a camera which is basically 2 1 2
year old technology.

And new people are buying it every day.

Should tell you something.

The e-x0 isn’t a typical camera.

Oh, there are a ton of problems with it. No denying that. And if
you have a real need for a camera that doesn’t share the
limitations of the e-x0, go out and buy something else. Nobody is
tying you down here.

Yet beyond it’s limitations the e-x0 is a great camera.

The “limited” 35mm to 140mm equivalent lens has served me for 95%
of my shots. I do have a TCON 14, a TCON 300, a WCON and a MCON
for those other 5%, but I really don’t “need” them. They are nice
to have. And if I tried to replace these lenses with equivalent
quality glass for a Nikon or a Canon, well I guess I could get a
second mortgage on my house…….

The images from these cameras are great. If a reviewer takes a
camera for a couple of days and uses the out-of-box settings, what
does that say about the quality possible? Not a lot. Using my
e-10 I’ve shot side by side with people using 35 mm cameras and my
pictures blow theirs away 100% of the time. When I take prints in
to be matted and framed it’s not uncommon to be asked what type of
medium format camera I’m using.

Go to a store and pick up an E-x0. It feels solid. The controls
are exactly where you want them. I haven’t used a lot of cameras,
but of those I have, my E-10 is by far the most ergonomic.

Let’s talk about those controls. I used a full manual Pentax
K-1000 for years. I use my E-10 in full manual mode (manual
exposure and manual focus) 99.9% of the time. If anything it’s
easier than the Pentax. It feels right. I don’t have to think
about how I am changing the settings – I know what I want and they
seem to magically dial themselves up. As many have said before,
this is a great learning camera.

I do not believe in obsolescence – if a tool works for you – use
it. The e-x0 does today exactly what it did 2 years ago. The fact
that other cameras out there can do more doesn’t change what the
e-x0 can do. If it can’t do for you, don’t use it. But you may be
surprised at what it can do. I think people who have to have the
newest thing because it is new is soft in the head (and a marketing
person's wet dream...).

I for one am hanging on to my e-10 as my primary camera for at
least a couple of years. And when I get ready to replace it, I
hope Oly has decided to make an E-30 or E-40 to continue the line.

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AmsterdamFred said:

I bought myself an E20 for my birthday today. As an E10 owner I
know what these cameras can and cannot do, and more importantly,
what I am capable of.
All I want now is the FL40.
Am keeping the E10 for travelling to places where camera is at risk
from damage.
Have the Wcon and Tcon, so it makes a good investment for me for
the next three years.

Also, my friends see my large prints (from the E10) and don't
belive they were taken on a digicam, so I don't feel the need to
buy a 10D and spend thousands on lenses. The latest and greatest is
not always necessary.

The E20 is breaking my piggy bank, but I know I'll be happy with it.

HAPPY EASTER ALL....Fred

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OldDigiman said:

Hey, Fred, since you have both cameras, how about shooting a couple
of side by side TIFFs and posting some crops, I'm thinking of
moving to the E-20 and would like to be able to compare output from
the two cameras.

Thanks

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OldDigiman said:

Hey, Fred, since you have both cameras, how about shooting a couple
of side by side TIFFs and posting some crops, I'm thinking of
moving to the E-20 and would like to be able to compare output from
the two cameras.

Thanks

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Garry Schaefer said:

Make that http://www.belgiumdigital.com/

--
Garry

Garry's Page: http://www3.mb.sympatico.ca/~gschaef

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OldDigiman said:

Garry Schaefer said:

Make that http://www.belgiumdigital.com/

--
Garry

Garry's Page: http://www3.mb.sympatico.ca/~gschaef

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