Comparison EOS 1DS & Phase One H20 Digiback

Cedric Mialaret · Apr 15, 2003

. Don't forget that you can also use the Phase One H20 with a view camera, which allows you total control over sharpness and dop, and may be the only way to go for some kind of product / still-life / architecture projects.

. For studio shoots, there are no comparison between digital backs and 35mm: you get results much faster on a calibrated Monitor where you really can judge color, sharpness and exposure with a digital back. The workflow is vastly superior.

. For outdoor shoots, sports shoots and so forth, 35mm are clearly more versatile.

. I would reconsider the purchase of an LCD Monitor, as LCD color are still of a much lower quality than those of much cheaper analog monitors. LCDs are only better for geometry.

phardy said:
After much reading and research, looks like I will be joining the
digital revolution this week big time, just sold my car and will be
buying and EOS 1DS, and Apple power Mac G4 and 20 LCD this week,
with no previous Mac experience!
Talk about in at the deep end!
I shoot stock, so I need large files, and colour management is
better on aMac I've been told, and might aswell get something
pretty fast, don't want to be constantly waiting for it.

Anyway, came across this site, it's a comparison between the EOS
1DS and the Phase One H20 digital Back.
I was all for getting a digital back until last week.
Had a test done between the Kodak 645 Plus and the EOS 1DS and the
EOS looked out of focus in comparison.........untill someone told
me that's because some cameras have in built sharpening and others
it's in the software, so there could be very little in it.

http://www.ampimage.com/H20%20image/Test003.html

Well as you will see, there is not alot in it, considering how much
more the Phase-One H20 is, about $20000, compared to $8000 for the
Canon.

Would be interested to hear from any EOS 1ds owners, I think there
is a steep learning curve ahead of me!

peter104761 · Apr 15, 2003

Cedric Mialaret said:
. For studio shoots, there are no comparison between digital backs
and 35mm: you get results much faster on a calibrated Monitor where
you really can judge color, sharpness and exposure with a digital
back. The workflow is vastly superior.

. For outdoor shoots, sports shoots and so forth, 35mm are clearly
more versatile.

. I would reconsider the purchase of an LCD Monitor, as LCD color
are still of a much lower quality than those of much cheaper analog
monitors. LCDs are only better for geometry.

phardy said:

After much reading and research, looks like I will be joining the
digital revolution this week big time, just sold my car and will be
buying and EOS 1DS, and Apple power Mac G4 and 20 LCD this week,
with no previous Mac experience!
Talk about in at the deep end!
I shoot stock, so I need large files, and colour management is
better on aMac I've been told, and might aswell get something
pretty fast, don't want to be constantly waiting for it.

Anyway, came across this site, it's a comparison between the EOS
1DS and the Phase One H20 digital Back.
I was all for getting a digital back until last week.
Had a test done between the Kodak 645 Plus and the EOS 1DS and the
EOS looked out of focus in comparison.........untill someone told
me that's because some cameras have in built sharpening and others
it's in the software, so there could be very little in it.

http://www.ampimage.com/H20%20image/Test003.html

Well as you will see, there is not alot in it, considering how much
more the Phase-One H20 is, about $20000, compared to $8000 for the
Canon.

Would be interested to hear from any EOS 1ds owners, I think there
is a steep learning curve ahead of me!

Click to expand...

Bern Caughey · Apr 15, 2003

Cedric Mialaret said:
the Phase One H20 with a view
camera, which allows you total control over sharpness and dop, and
may be the only way to go for some kind of product / still-life /
architecture projects.

While not as versatile as 4"x5" the Canon T/S lens are superb & the option inside this link looks very interesting.

http://www.calumetphoto.com/syrinx/ctl?PAGE=Controller&ac.ui.pn=cat.CatItemDetail&ac.item.itemNo=CB40191K&ac.cat.CatTreeSearch.detail=y&type=SPDSEARCH

In it's own right the Canon is as versatile, but in different ways. Some users are reporting a fragility of the 1Ds' file that may not exist with the PhaseOne backs, but it doesn't seem to be keeping them from producing exceptional images.

Regards,
Bern Caughey

peter104761 · Apr 15, 2003

Wow, this has been quite the thread. It's interesting how it turned into a PC Vs Mac sounding board instead of one based on photos. I thought the original poster phardy (and others) might find my post about Phase One and Fuji interesting.

http://forums.dpreview.com/ ... ... read.asp?forum=1014&message=4230785

The Canon has gotten stellar reviews, especially used with the Phase One software; if you're mostly outdoors, it's probably the way to go.

After using the Phase One on a almost daily basis, I can report that it certainly produces files that are really good; it allows me to spend less time in front of the computer than converting and tweeking a Fuji Raw file. You will probably find that colour management to be quite a challenge...unfortunately the digital world of photography forces you to do and learn things that are not in the realm of traditional photography. At the same time, it's quite empowering to have so much control of you work and be self contained.

FYI, I work on a Mac and find it more accurate to colour correct on my Lacie CRT than my Mac flatscreen, although the flat screen does a beautiful job of"selling" the client, photos really "POP". You can always add a CRT and work with dual monitors (my preference).

My local pro dealer who's sold 100+ Phase One systems, has installed fewer than 5 PC versions. Every single one of my pro friends and competitors works on Mac (maybe out of ignorance?). There's not a single top shooter in town that I've ever heard of that works on PC.

Why get hung up on what computer or camera...go be a photographer.

Good Luck.

Peter
http://www.peterchou.com

Cedric Mialaret said:
phardy said:

After much reading and research, looks like I will be joining the
digital revolution this week big time, just sold my car and will be
buying and EOS 1DS, and Apple power Mac G4 and 20 LCD this week,
with no previous Mac experience!
Talk about in at the deep end!
I shoot stock, so I need large files, and colour management is
better on aMac I've been told, and might aswell get something
pretty fast, don't want to be constantly waiting for it.

Anyway, came across this site, it's a comparison between the EOS
1DS and the Phase One H20 digital Back.
I was all for getting a digital back until last week.
Had a test done between the Kodak 645 Plus and the EOS 1DS and the
EOS looked out of focus in comparison.........untill someone told
me that's because some cameras have in built sharpening and others
it's in the software, so there could be very little in it.

http://www.ampimage.com/H20%20image/Test003.html

Well as you will see, there is not alot in it, considering how much
more the Phase-One H20 is, about $20000, compared to $8000 for the
Canon.

Would be interested to hear from any EOS 1ds owners, I think there
is a steep learning curve ahead of me!

Click to expand...

Michael Long · Apr 15, 2003

http://www.schneideroptics.com/cameras/horseman/view_camera_converters/for_35mm_slr/

Pbestwk · Apr 16, 2003

peter104761 said:
My local pro dealer who's sold 100+ Phase One systems, has
installed fewer than 5 PC versions. Every single one of my pro
friends and competitors works on Mac (maybe out of ignorance?).
There's not a single top shooter in town that I've ever heard of
that works on PC.

Hey people,

yea I am a pro photographer. I use Canon (1Ds) & I use mac & own a pc for the bookwork.
My pro buddies use mac also.
--
http://www.studio58.com.au

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