How did she take this picture?!?

m5laser said:

I agree! She really has a way of capturing the moment. Have you
bought her book? It is worth it! Some day I hope to be able to
just shake her hand haha

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Haven't met her, but I have met Onne and Billy Black. I live in Newport so I see them around a lot.

m5laser said:

Up until now, I had completely forgotten about the Vector. Ever
since its release a few years ago, I really have not heard much of
anything about it. Although it did win the Sailing World Boat of
The Year award... I think.
How does it compare to the 29er? From the picture, it looks
somewhat heavy.
Reminds me a lot of the old Australian Buzz... although that boat
was only quick when running.

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The boat weight a bit over 200 lbs all rigger up. It's very fast. Much faster than a 29er. A tad slower than the 49er, but a lot easier to sail. It did win boat of the year. 10 knots upwind and 18 downwind regularly and it usually is blowing 15 knots here. We go faster than the wind downwind and plane upwind. The biggest problem with the vector is that they are very similar to bycicles. The faster you go the easier they are to keep upright, but stoped at the dock it will tip over even with the board down! This makes them very intimidating to people new to the boat, but as soon as it is moving it becomes a lot more stable. A guy in Ohio made a lead daggerboard for his to solve this problem, and I am going to do the same this summer.
specs from vanguard's site:
Specifications:
LOA - 15' 3"
Beam - 6' 0"
Draft - 4' 9"
Sail Area - 160 Square Feet
Spinnaker - 210 Square feet
Hull Weight - 180 Pounds

It is quite fast. If you are in the area any time this summer I'll take you or anyone else our for a quick spin!
Ben

Well either she did some good quality post-processing, or then she followed the boat with the camera from another boat that was standing still, in that case its fantastic work... and in a boat moving that fast 1/8 would be enough to blur the spray, and in sunshine that strong i wonder how she kept the sky that well exposed (ofcourse there has been a polarizer but...)

...but I doubt it.......

If you are shooting to deadlines, and need to have that shot, why not shoot at a nice high shutter speed with reasonable DOF, and fix the blur later in photoshop.

That way the bits that you want sharp are really sharp, and the movement can be exactly where you want it, and as blurred as you like.

It looks like a Photoshop job to me, and I'm not taking anything away from the skill of the photographer in getting that shot.

It's very common place, just look at any Porsche advert in the motoring world..... lot's of blur, lots of photoshop.

Take it from me, I know, I do it too.



Oh, and I would expect a yachting photographer to be able to spell yachting....I mean for me, I used a spell checker, but if that's your job........

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Although it certainly could be Photoshopped, I'm surprised a lot of you don't seem to know the technique of panning and in this case, probably on another boat travelling the same speed.

It would probably be a lot easier to take the shot from another boat then to manipulate it in Photoshop to the point of not being detectable. I do a fair amount of Photoshop work and if this image was photoshopped, it took a whole lot of work...

M5Laser said:

http://www.printroom.com/ViewGalleryPhoto.asp?userid=sailing&gallery_id=9243&image_id=3

This looks like a hard picture to take! Everything is in focus,
with the exception of the spray. I would think that it would be
very hard to keep the camera steady enough to get such clarity. Any
idea what kind of shutter speed was being used? How about the DOF?

Just for personal interest, the photo was taken by a Canadian
photographer, Sharon Green – one of (if not the most) famous
sailing photographers in the world. As far as the photography
world is concerned, she is my idol.

Oh by the way, she was using a Canon EOS camera with L glass

Duncan

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This photo is not extraordinarily difficult to achieve. Spray from a boat will blur even at 1/125 second. Since it’s wide angle, that’s a high enough speed to handhold sharp. Image stabilization makes it even easier, but she would have to be using NON L-glass, with the 28-135mm. So whether this is photoshopped or not, it could have been done.

But why spend 30 mins (maybe more?) on photoshop when you can do it in camera in less than a minute?

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Franco Pace is one of my favorites, he's produced 3 BIG coffe table books that are incredible
http://www.francopace.it/index.html

You might like to look at the work of KOS, the most famous woman yachting photographer we have over here:
http://www.kospictures.com/ and http://www.kospictures.demon.co.uk/

and there is also Rick Tomlinson:
http://www.rick-tomlinson.com/

Rick and KOS are our best "home grown" talents but Franco is in another league

as for boats

Have a look for a JS9000, like a mini ACC boat, 30ft long with a waterline beam of just under 3ft...one of the fastest and easy boats I've ever sailed, speed has never been so easy, 14knots before we started tweeking, got up to 16, she has a 2M draft...2/3 of the weight of the boat is made up of the keel...truly outstanding :-D
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Thanks for the links!

I have seen a lot of Rick's work before, but had no idea who took them. The Volvo Ocean Race pictures are amazing. Although I am a big Sharon Green fan, I would say that his pictures are a very worthy of 1st place.

KOS's pictures are oretty good too. Although I must say that I can not figure out what this one is of:



Any ideas?

Well if you (or any of your friends there) are ever over this side of the pond, I'll buy you a beer....or two

Duncan

Graham Snook said:

Franco Pace is one of my favorites, he's produced 3 BIG coffe table
books that are incredible
http://www.francopace.it/index.html

You might like to look at the work of KOS, the most famous woman
yachting photographer we have over here:
http://www.kospictures.com/ and http://www.kospictures.demon.co.uk/

and there is also Rick Tomlinson:
http://www.rick-tomlinson.com/

Rick and KOS are our best "home grown" talents but Franco is in
another league

as for boats

Have a look for a JS9000, like a mini ACC boat, 30ft long with a
waterline beam of just under 3ft...one of the fastest and easy
boats I've ever sailed, speed has never been so easy, 14knots
before we started tweeking, got up to 16, she has a 2M draft...2/3
of the weight of the boat is made up of the keel...truly
outstanding :-D
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By the way I have two copies of Sharon's awesome book. I got one in Montana for $3! They couldn't sell it I guess and I walked into hastings and saw it on the sale rack. I picked it up just to look at the pictures again and then notice the $3 price tag so I took it home. The picture in question was taken up the second(aft) mast of a schooner with a wide angle lens. Nice windy day too. Impressive boat. You can see the jib up on the aft mast below and the forward mast has a full suit up.

One of my friends is the Editor of Sail magazine, he likes anyone who buys him beer

The pic looks like it's taken from the main mast of a schooner. The fore mast is shorter than the aft mainmast, which should have a sail on and I think it's hidden behind the width of the mast. Shot on a nice wide angle to do the bendy horizon bit...technical expression there
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Oohhhh yes, of course! I was thinking the job was the main.. hahah
I guess the wide angle threw me off.

Well if your friend is ever over here, I would certainly buy him a beer or two haha

Duncan

Graham Snook said:

One of my friends is the Editor of Sail magazine, he likes anyone
who buys him beer

The pic looks like it's taken from the main mast of a schooner. The
fore mast is shorter than the aft mainmast, which should have a
sail on and I think it's hidden behind the width of the mast. Shot
on a nice wide angle to do the bendy horizon bit...technical
expression there
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Graham Snook said:

Have a look for a JS9000, like a mini ACC boat, 30ft long with a
waterline beam of just under 3ft...one of the fastest and easy
boats I've ever sailed, speed has never been so easy, 14knots
before we started tweeking, got up to 16, she has a 2M draft...2/3
of the weight of the boat is made up of the keel...truly
outstanding :-D

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Yeah, I saw the article on that in Sailing world last year. They look like fun, but are too expensive. We sail etchells and we have a decent sized class here, so I don't think we'll see any around here. This is the problem with one design sailing today. There are too many great options out there so no one class get huge. The exception here in newport are 2 main boats. The agressive young crowd are in J24s (30+ boats on Thursday nights) and the older crowd are in Sheilds (20+ boats on wednesday nights). We also have a smaller class of etchells (10 racing on Tuesday nights and Saturdays) that I sail in. Look like a great boat though, but I'm happy racing the etchells and cruising around in the vector when I want speed.

She used a Gyro

m5laser said:

Well if your friend is ever over here, I would certainly buy him a
beer or two haha

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Well he's in Boston...So he's still closer to you than me

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The pic was taken on a boat following the sailing ship following behind it. It's like tracking photography with motor-racing. Look at the landscape, it isn't blurred, so the shutter speed was highish, but following the sail boat with spray will blur, just as the road below a road car will blur if you are tracking a moving car (from in front). It's not a really hard shot to do, you just want to shoot quite a lot of frames to insure you get a few good ones, and make sure the camera doesn't fall in the water!

M5Laser said:

http://www.printroom.com/ViewGalleryPhoto.asp?userid=sailing&gallery_id=9243&image_id=3

This looks like a hard picture to take! Everything is in focus,
with the exception of the spray. I would think that it would be
very hard to keep the camera steady enough to get such clarity. Any
idea what kind of shutter speed was being used? How about the DOF?

Just for personal interest, the photo was taken by a Canadian
photographer, Sharon Green – one of (if not the most) famous
sailing photographers in the world. As far as the photography
world is concerned, she is my idol.

Oh by the way, she was using a Canon EOS camera with L glass

Duncan

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Mark said:

and make sure the camera doesn't fall in the water!

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I've done that one before....

(first, that is)

http://www.pbase.com/image/14979936

http://www.pbase.com/image/14979938

Graham Snook said:

Franco Pace is one of my favorites, he's produced 3 BIG coffe table
books that are incredible
http://www.francopace.it/index.html

You might like to look at the work of KOS, the most famous woman
yachting photographer we have over here:
http://www.kospictures.com/ and http://www.kospictures.demon.co.uk/

and there is also Rick Tomlinson:
http://www.rick-tomlinson.com/

Rick and KOS are our best "home grown" talents but Franco is in
another league

as for boats

Have a look for a JS9000, like a mini ACC boat, 30ft long with a
waterline beam of just under 3ft...one of the fastest and easy
boats I've ever sailed, speed has never been so easy, 14knots
before we started tweeking, got up to 16, she has a 2M draft...2/3
of the weight of the boat is made up of the keel...truly
outstanding :-D
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I shoot on 35mm Canon and 6x7 Pentax
http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder.tcl?folder_id=280578

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Sailing pix from onboard aren't the best way to shoot sailing, unless you get up the mast or going through waves ;-) the problem is that unless you can walk on water there are only a finite number of angles you can shoot from

I really like yer under water stuff...I know it's hard as hell to get anything

I tried it in the Seychelles with transparency, had a fixed focus underwater camera, results were terrible, and I mean very terrible. I also had a waterproof bag for my 1v and flash, except it wasn't that waterproof, and the pressure of the water was pressing on the shutter, 2/3 of a roll with nothing. Then I noticed water in the bag and had to swim back to the boat with the 1v + 550ex above my head...I'd been told "you'll see bubbles if there's a leak"...did I? nope, water just leaked in from somewhere, burning out the booster and batteries.

I didn't like the idea of putting my camera in a bag and taking it underwater, but I was assured it would be alright. Wrong!

Next time it'll be point and shoot digital canon in their solid water proof housing!

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Graham,

firstly it takes a few minutes, not 30 minutes in Photoshop

Secondly, you can't tell if the shot is ok on the back of the camera.

If you shoot slow shutter speeds, to get the speed blur, ther is no way that the small image on the back of the camera can tell you if you got it right!

So, to guarantee the shot.....I mean you leave the event knowing it's sharp...you shoot higher shutter sppeds, and use photoshop later....

fact of life!

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Chris Dodkin said:

Graham,

firstly it takes a few minutes, not 30 minutes in Photoshop

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I stand corrected, sorry. But you still have to manipulate the image in photoshop, it still takes time, more time than it would doing it on the water.

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Secondly, you can't tell if the shot is ok on the back of the camera.

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Don't you trust yourself? I do it on film, I don't "know" I have got the shot until I pick the films up from the lab, you have more that 36 exp on your card, I'll typically shoot 10 - 15 frames, more if the water is rougher, by the end of those frames I'll have nailed the pic...I can be pretty certain,

Member said:

If you shoot slow shutter speeds, to get the speed blur, ther is no
way that the small image on the back of the camera can tell you if
you got it right!

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Even if I have digital, I wouldn't have time to check my images, I trust my equipment and my experience.

Member said:

So, to guarantee the shot.....I mean you leave the event knowing
it's sharp...you shoot higher shutter sppeds, and use photoshop
later....

fact of life!

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Not the fact of my life...I shoot it with a fast shutter speed, yes but that's to give our designer variety, not so he can play around with my images...I'll also shoot it slow....you don't see all the guys who shoot for car mags bluring every shot used in a mag, so why should us photographers on the water be different? you can't guarantee anything in photography, the lab could ruin a film, your CF card could die...these things happen

I'm not saying that it can't be done in photoshop, it can. I'm sure you have the skills needed to work magic on a computer. However it appears to be a pointless exercise when it can be done easily in camera...adjust the exposure from 1/500th F8 to 1/60th F22 or 1/30th if I'm using velvia, point, focus and fire away at 5 frames a second, job's done...it takes as long to do and it does to read this last paragraph.
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