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IGNORANCE!Tell that to the kid with no arms, mom, dad or sister, dipwadd. I'm
sure he'll understand.
--IGNORANCE!Tell that to the kid with no arms, mom, dad or sister, dipwadd. I'm
sure he'll understand.
It's ignorant respones like this that I find sad. Yes, of course,
it's horrible that people are dying and being mangled in the war.
But far more lives are being saved.... "Tell that to the kid..."
Are you serious? What should have been said to the 60,000 people
Hussein gased in 1986 in Halabja? What should have been said to the
million Iraqi soilders sacraficed by Hussein when he waged war
against Iran (just as many Iranians died)? And how about the
thousands of Kuwait killed by the Iraqi army invasion just over a
decade years ago? What do you tell them?
I guess the world should stand by and do nothing more than
excercise diplomacy. (yeah, diplomacy with a guy who shoots a gun
in the air during every other public sppech.) Diplomacy never
worked. From the moment Hussein's army retreated from Kuwait over a
decade ago, he refused to meet rational terms set by the UN. 16 UN
resolutions and numerous sanctions later, he was still hiding
banned weapons. Moreover, he continued to use terror and inhumanity
to run his country -- while at the same time various European
countries continued to court questionable business deals with the
regime.
So, I ask you, what do you tell the families of the thousands
killed by Hussein's regime? Do you tell them, "Sorry, we are going
to continue playing diplomatic games with him because we're affraid
we might hurt one child in an effort to stop a regime that has
killed thousands, a regime that has been proven (not suspected) to
support terrorists, a regime that is responsible for starving to
death hundreds of thousands of children?" Get real.
IGNORANCE!Tell that to the kid with no arms, mom, dad or sister, dipwadd. I'm
sure he'll understand.
It's ignorant respones like this that I find sad. Yes, of course,
it's horrible that people are dying and being mangled in the war.
But far more lives are being saved.... "Tell that to the kid..."
Are you serious? What should have been said to the 60,000 people
Hussein gased in 1986 in Halabja? What should have been said to the
million Iraqi soilders sacraficed by Hussein when he waged war
against Iran (just as many Iranians died)? And how about the
thousands of Kuwait killed by the Iraqi army invasion just over a
decade years ago? What do you tell them?
I guess the world should stand by and do nothing more than
excercise diplomacy. (yeah, diplomacy with a guy who shoots a gun
in the air during every other public sppech.) Diplomacy never
worked. From the moment Hussein's army retreated from Kuwait over a
decade ago, he refused to meet rational terms set by the UN. 16 UN
resolutions and numerous sanctions later, he was still hiding
banned weapons. Moreover, he continued to use terror and inhumanity
to run his country -- while at the same time various European
countries continued to court questionable business deals with the
regime.
So, I ask you, what do you tell the families of the thousands
killed by Hussein's regime? Do you tell them, "Sorry, we are going
to continue playing diplomatic games with him because we're affraid
we might hurt one child in an effort to stop a regime that has
killed thousands, a regime that has been proven (not suspected) to
support terrorists, a regime that is responsible for starving to
death hundreds of thousands of children?" Get real.
I suggest you do some reading to broaden your incredibly narrow horizon.acknowledging that at times war is the ONLY alternative.
--IGNORANCE!Tell that to the kid with no arms, mom, dad or sister, dipwadd. I'm
sure he'll understand.
It's ignorant respones like this that I find sad. Yes, of course,
it's horrible that people are dying and being mangled in the war.
But far more lives are being saved.... "Tell that to the kid..."
Are you serious? What should have been said to the 60,000 people
Hussein gased in 1986 in Halabja? What should have been said to the
million Iraqi soilders sacraficed by Hussein when he waged war
against Iran (just as many Iranians died)? And how about the
thousands of Kuwait killed by the Iraqi army invasion just over a
decade years ago? What do you tell them?
I guess the world should stand by and do nothing more than
excercise diplomacy. (yeah, diplomacy with a guy who shoots a gun
in the air during every other public sppech.) Diplomacy never
worked. From the moment Hussein's army retreated from Kuwait over a
decade ago, he refused to meet rational terms set by the UN. 16 UN
resolutions and numerous sanctions later, he was still hiding
banned weapons. Moreover, he continued to use terror and inhumanity
to run his country -- while at the same time various European
countries continued to court questionable business deals with the
regime.
So, I ask you, what do you tell the families of the thousands
killed by Hussein's regime? Do you tell them, "Sorry, we are going
to continue playing diplomatic games with him because we're affraid
we might hurt one child in an effort to stop a regime that has
killed thousands, a regime that has been proven (not suspected) to
support terrorists, a regime that is responsible for starving to
death hundreds of thousands of children?" Get real.
Obviously, there are numerous opinions about the current war in
Iraq -- for, against and everything in between. Running the risk of
be flamed in what has become a very political forum (Canon DSLR,
right???), I imagine that most people would agree that the
dedicated journalist covering the war are, in many ways, heros.
They are risking (and in some cases losing) their lives to document
history. Their images, video and stories often capture the essence
of what is happening -- for better or worse.
As for the ongoing threads on the war, I personally think that
there are a lot of people posting opinions based on half-truths,
mis-information, ignorance, and naive simplistic thinking. I dont'
mean that as a slam. It is an honest observation. As a concerned
American, I have read everything I possibly can to better
understand this conflict. After months and months of research, I am
starting to understand how it this war evolved. I do not claim to
be an expert on American foriegn policy or middle eastern history.
But I think I have learned enough to know that there is no simple
reason for this war, and America is not fighting it for selfish
reasons.
All too often people protest the war screaming, "No Blood for Oil,"
or "Bush is the devil," or "Give peace a chance." Many of these
people can't even name the countries that border Iraq. Seriously.
Moreover, there are people who listen to a couple of biased talked
shows, form an opinion and then share it as gospel in online
forums. The people who really know the issues are not wasting their
time in such forums. They get turned off by emotionally charged
ignorance, and they refuse to get into the typical arguements over
tainted history.
For those with strong opinions (either way), I say take an honest
look at how you formed your opinion. Have you gathered as much
non-biased information as possible? Are you giving liberal and
conservative media sources an equal chance? Are you reviewing
international media sources as well? If you have, you will find it
much more difficult to form black and white opinions.
--I suggest you do some reading to broaden your incredibly narrowacknowledging that at times war is the ONLY alternative.
horizon.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0807059099/qid=1049848838/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/002-4340861-5174420
Regards
Stefan
IGNORANCE!Tell that to the kid with no arms, mom, dad or sister, dipwadd. I'm
sure he'll understand.
It's ignorant respones like this that I find sad. Yes, of course,
it's horrible that people are dying and being mangled in the war.
But far more lives are being saved.... "Tell that to the kid..."
Are you serious? What should have been said to the 60,000 people
Hussein gased in 1986 in Halabja? What should have been said to the
million Iraqi soilders sacraficed by Hussein when he waged war
against Iran (just as many Iranians died)? And how about the
thousands of Kuwait killed by the Iraqi army invasion just over a
decade years ago? What do you tell them?
I guess the world should stand by and do nothing more than
excercise diplomacy. (yeah, diplomacy with a guy who shoots a gun
in the air during every other public sppech.) Diplomacy never
worked. From the moment Hussein's army retreated from Kuwait over a
decade ago, he refused to meet rational terms set by the UN. 16 UN
resolutions and numerous sanctions later, he was still hiding
banned weapons. Moreover, he continued to use terror and inhumanity
to run his country -- while at the same time various European
countries continued to court questionable business deals with the
regime.
So, I ask you, what do you tell the families of the thousands
killed by Hussein's regime? Do you tell them, "Sorry, we are going
to continue playing diplomatic games with him because we're affraid
we might hurt one child in an effort to stop a regime that has
killed thousands, a regime that has been proven (not suspected) to
support terrorists, a regime that is responsible for starving to
death hundreds of thousands of children?" Get real.
Sure, war is hell. So what else is new? People get killed. It is
ghastly. But let's not debase the sacrifices made by this
photographer and the American and British combatants by not
acknowledging that at times war is the ONLY alternative. Unless,
that is you are a muddle-brained post-modern Nihilist that seems so
common place on the European continent.
Were it not for wars such as this more grotesque injustices would
be the order of the day. More than any of the post cold-war wars
this one will contribute to the establishment of a recognizable
gradient of power for good in the world.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/030408/241/3qq1r.html&e=13&ncid=705
I saw this link and reflect on what is going on down in Iraq.
War is F*CKED no matter just or not. I can appreciate what people
will do to bring us a story or image. My first reaction to the
image was "Wow, thats an 1Dwith [insert lense]. " I totally
forgot the poor camera guy could mortally wound. Sooooo, in
reflection I guess we should all be thankful for what we have or
even don't.
Don't forget the people involved is this mess.
Just thinking out loud, sorry I could not come up with more
elequent or heartful thought...
[Yes, I argee the Regime is "bad"]
--
'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men
to do nothing.' Edmund Burke
Burke Churchill
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/030408/241/3qq1r.html&e=13&ncid=705
I saw this link and reflect on what is going on down in Iraq.
War is F*CKED no matter just or not. I can appreciate what people
will do to bring us a story or image. My first reaction to the
image was "Wow, thats an 1Dwith [insert lense]. " I totally
forgot the poor camera guy could mortally wound. Sooooo, in
reflection I guess we should all be thankful for what we have or
even don't.
Don't forget the people involved is this mess.
Just thinking out loud, sorry I could not come up with more
elequent or heartful thought...
[Yes, I argee the Regime is "bad"]
I never challenged your report. I am sure that such tragedies have ahppened -- truly breaks my heart. Of course that's horrible. But the death of 400,000 children in Iraq during the past decade is worse. I wish we were in a world where diplomacy always worked. But it does not. There are evil people who will never go out any other way.Fascinating, Tom F, really. I'll repeat my post, as it still stands:
"Tell that to the kid with no arms, mom, dad or sister, dipwadd.
I'm sure he'll understand."
Watch CNN long enough and you'll see the segment. (miraculously,
between all the purple heart announcements) Could that toasted,
armless, familyless 12 yr old be your son? Would you care? Guess
not.
I am in no way a death monger. I have no idea what you are referring to when you say wallow in various propgand BS. I follow all types of news coverage -- liberal, conservative, national and international. I don't pretend to be an expert on the situation. But I am positive that I know a lot more than the average person who posts overly simplistic messages that ignore the realities of life and our world.You and the other deathmonger thread buddy can wallow in the
various propaganda BS all you want. And, I'm sure you will.
Maybe you are right. What is your suggestion? How should the world deal with Iraq? How should Hussein be ousted. 16 UN resolutions have not worked. Many countries have their own special interests in supporting the Hussein regime, the same countries barring any type of UN-backed consquences for not complying. Hussein, responsible for millions of deaths, would have continued his reign of death and inhumanity.The fact is, if a regime change needs to take place, and certain
evil people need to be killed, for the betterment of the rest of
the world's community, there certainly must be a better way than
dropping four 4,000lb bunker buster bombs onto a residential
building where you think this one asswhipe is hiding.
Wow, what sophistication, what intelligence: About like yours and
your buddy's on this thread.
I didn't say it was justified. I made reference to choosing between two horrible actions (war and doing nothing) that Hussein has forced resposible people to deal with. With war, we risk lives to save many more. Doing nothing, we simply watch others die.You two are pethetic if you think killing/maiming innocent young
people can ever be justified, under ANY circumstances. Nobody did
this to you and you're still here, spouting off, getting FAT and
typing with all ten of your chubby fingers....crying about your
precious little cameras. And playing armchair politician.
Geeze.
--IGNORANCE!Tell that to the kid with no arms, mom, dad or sister, dipwadd. I'm
sure he'll understand.
It's ignorant respones like this that I find sad. Yes, of course,
it's horrible that people are dying and being mangled in the war.
But far more lives are being saved.... "Tell that to the kid..."
Are you serious? What should have been said to the 60,000 people
Hussein gased in 1986 in Halabja? What should have been said to the
million Iraqi soilders sacraficed by Hussein when he waged war
against Iran (just as many Iranians died)? And how about the
thousands of Kuwait killed by the Iraqi army invasion just over a
decade years ago? What do you tell them?
I guess the world should stand by and do nothing more than
excercise diplomacy. (yeah, diplomacy with a guy who shoots a gun
in the air during every other public sppech.) Diplomacy never
worked. From the moment Hussein's army retreated from Kuwait over a
decade ago, he refused to meet rational terms set by the UN. 16 UN
resolutions and numerous sanctions later, he was still hiding
banned weapons. Moreover, he continued to use terror and inhumanity
to run his country -- while at the same time various European
countries continued to court questionable business deals with the
regime.
So, I ask you, what do you tell the families of the thousands
killed by Hussein's regime? Do you tell them, "Sorry, we are going
to continue playing diplomatic games with him because we're affraid
we might hurt one child in an effort to stop a regime that has
killed thousands, a regime that has been proven (not suspected) to
support terrorists, a regime that is responsible for starving to
death hundreds of thousands of children?" Get real.
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http://www.50mm.net
I have done my research. Have you done yours? So what is the answer to Hussein? You can't just say "War is not the answer" when you have no suggetions. How do you stop evil people from being evil?I think you should do your own research before you blame others of
ignorance. People that are for peace are not stupid, we know that
Saddam is killing people, but so are a dozen other dictators in the
world. The problem is that war is NOT the answer. People who are
for peace still have hope that we can fall out of this brutal loop.
And this hope isn't entirely unfounded. It is possible, you can see
it when you make someone smile.
why we are fighting this war:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=4822750
I Agree..I admire these reporters and photographers, but I think they are a
little crazy. I really was upset when David Bloom died due to his
embolism. It wasn't a war wound but probably a result of riding
around in a couped up tank for long periods of time. I loved that
guy. He was great.
Why don't you hear anyone talking about the WMD anylonger ? Nice coverup. Did it now become a non-issue ? Isn't this why this war was started in the first place ? It is time that Bush is going to show some evidence of these weapons...that evidence "might" give you a safer future....I have done my research. Have you done yours? So what is the answer
to Hussein? You can't just say "War is not the answer" when you
have no suggetions. How do you stop evil people from being evil?
There have been clear signs of WMD. Hell, even a top Iraqi scientist who defected gave detailed information of the WMD and the regime's moblie labs. Other military defectors have verified this, so have satellite photos, etc....Why don't you hear anyone talking about the WMD anylonger ? Nice
coverup. Did it now become a non-issue ? Isn't this why this war
was started in the first place ? It is time that Bush is going to
show some evidence of these weapons...that evidence "might" give
you a safer future....
We must kill to save lives -- We are liberating, Hussein's evilness has caused war and its consquences
We must wage war for peace -- we are protecting people with force;
We must use weapons of mass destruction to eliminate weapons of
mass destruction -- the US is not using chemical or biological weapons
We come in peace; we will kill the enemy -- only those who fight to protect a brutal regime that continues to kill
We will liberate Iraq; we will occupy Iraq -- and help it rebuild, into something far better than it ever imagined
We want to protect Iraq by disarming it -- uhhh, yeah
We will install democracy in Iraq -- we'll introduce, it's free people will do what they can with it
We are circumventing the UN to uphold UN resolutions -- no, we are freeing ourselves from a UN that has become bias and strangled by European politics (i'm sure you have no idea what I am talking about)
The war is going as planned --it might take longer than expected -- Ever since the war began, US administrators have repeatedly stated there is no specific timeline. Liberal media has attacked the government looking for controversy. The invisible timeline has been a target. We are making progress. Wars never go exactly as planned -- the armed forces have admitted that from the beginning.
Surgical strikes kill innocents -- They also help eliminate dictators who kill millions
Bin Laden is a freedom-fighter (1980s); Bin laden is a terrorist
(2001) -- We are not responsible for someone turing against us.
Saddam is a ally (during Iran-Iraq war); Saddam is an enemy (post
Iran-Iraq war) -- I guess we were wrong.
I have done my research. Have you done yours? So what is the answerI think you should do your own research before you blame others of
ignorance. People that are for peace are not stupid, we know that
Saddam is killing people, but so are a dozen other dictators in the
world. The problem is that war is NOT the answer. People who are
for peace still have hope that we can fall out of this brutal loop.
And this hope isn't entirely unfounded. It is possible, you can see
it when you make someone smile.
to Hussein? You can't just say "War is not the answer" when you
have no suggetions. How do you stop evil people from being evil?
why we are fighting this war:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=4822750
--Why don't you hear anyone talking about the WMD anylonger ? NiceI have done my research. Have you done yours? So what is the answer
to Hussein? You can't just say "War is not the answer" when you
have no suggetions. How do you stop evil people from being evil?
coverup. Did it now become a non-issue ? Isn't this why this war
was started in the first place ? It is time that Bush is going to
show some evidence of these weapons...that evidence "might" give
you a safer future....
We must kill to save lives
We must wage war for peace
We must use weapons of mass destruction to eliminate weapons of
mass destruction
We come in peace; we will kill the enemy
We will liberate Iraq; we will occupy Iraq
We want to protect Iraq by disarming it
We will install democracy in Iraq
We are circumventing the UN to uphold UN resolutions
The war is going as planned --it might take longer than expected
Surgical strikes kill innocents
Bin Laden is a freedom-fighter (1980s); Bin laden is a terrorist
(2001)
Saddam is a ally (during Iran-Iraq war); Saddam is an enemy (post
Iran-Iraq war)
