To buy a 1D or 10D

I m still contemplating whether to get a 1D or not cos I cant
afford a 1Ds. Is it wise to get the 1D now since the 1Ds is already
out. Is the technology already outdated for the 1D. Can a 10D
really compare to 1D. PLs advise me which one should I buy. Thanks
Here is a link to another thread I started because of the same issue. While some thought I was a troll, I did get some interesting opinions. I am still debating the issue with myself (and the bank account.)

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=4735554
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Walter K
 
If you can afford it, buy the 1D.
I m still contemplating whether to get a 1D or not cos I cant
afford a 1Ds. Is it wise to get the 1D now since the 1Ds is already
out. Is the technology already outdated for the 1D. Can a 10D
really compare to 1D. PLs advise me which one should I buy. Thanks
 
Here is a link to another thread I started because of the same
issue. While some thought I was a troll, I did get some
interesting opinions. I am still debating the issue with myself
(and the bank account.)

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=4735554
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Walter K
I'm having the same dilema. The 1D's focusing speed, accuracy vs. the 10D's little lower noise, higher pixel count seem to be the deciding factors for me. I do a lot of orchestra rehearsal shots where the lighting isn't so good and I don't use a flash. I tried the 10D but that particular camera would lock focus quickly but not accurately. The good pics were very nice, but there were many that were OOF. The lower noise level was great and the10x zoom was very helpful. I'm hoping the 1D would focus more accurately. However, because I sit in the orchestra, many times I'm unable to get the composition I would like so I usually end up cropping the picture, so the extra pixels of the 10D would be useful. Maybe I should wait for the next 1D - hopefully with 6-8 megapixels and a lower price?
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Before buying my 1D, I owned the D60. I thought this is a very good and nice digital SLR until I got my hands on a 1D. WOW! Noise levels were at least the same (if not better), the 1D operates at speed of light and I got pictures I never dreamt of.

So the question should be: 1D or 1Ds, not 1D or 10D. I read about a lot of people who exchanged the 10D with a 1D but rarely vice versa.

The 1D is the perfect camera for me and I'm not pro but an ambitious amateur. I own some good glass (16-35 L 2.8, 24-70 L 2.8 and 35-350 L) and this makes it the perfect combo with the 1D.

Look at the 1v: people are buying this camera for years now and they're very happy with it. The 1D is the digital version of the EOS 1v and you should look upon it as a lifetime (well, a few years ;-) ) investment.

I'm sure there will be a 11D or 12D or whatever but the 1D will still remain a great camera in it's class, despite the 4 MP sensor.

It is funny to watch people lurking around waiting for the 1D price to drop or waiting for a 11D or 12D (whatever name) at the same build quality/speed as the 1D. This won't happen too soon and if the 1D drops below 3000 USD, I bet Canon will stop production and lower the price on the 1Ds.

Go to a local dealer and try to hold a 1D and a 10D in your hands. You'll understand very very soon. ;-)
I m still contemplating whether to get a 1D or not cos I cant
afford a 1Ds. Is it wise to get the 1D now since the 1Ds is already
out. Is the technology already outdated for the 1D. Can a 10D
really compare to 1D. PLs advise me which one should I buy. Thanks
 
as far as I understand it.

I upgraded to a 1D from a D60 and have not looked back.

The D60 would have made a better - slightly - studio camera but when shooting sports a 1D is quite nice-er.

Don't get me wrong - I realize the 1D is expensive compared to a 10D.

Buy what you can afford - upgrade when it makes sense to you.

1D sample -



Jim

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I bought the EOS-3 right when it came out - the AF was the best in the world. Compared to my EOS-1D it is a little slower, but appears to work in light levels just as low. For a short while (before the 1v was introduced) the EOS-3 was the king, as far as AF and metering. The EOS-1 series is faster but adds little functionality other than 'tankness'.
I will say that a 10D ain't no EOS-3!
KP
Build and Quality of the EOS 3 are nothing close to the 1v or 1D.
However I was just making the comment as far as the lineup
goes..... Number one Pro, Pro, Semi Pro/Pro, Low Cost Pro, Entry
level....

I agree I am wrong, I have however used a 1v and 1D, I have used a
EOS 3 before but was never impressed. I was just makeing a
comment.... on my opinion, and I did state I could be wrong on that
one.......

Its the DSLR and SLR market...
There isnt drastic differences in the 1v and the 3. Neither are
there drastic differences from the 1Ds to the 1D........ I was just
trying to get that across.. Just sealing and minute
differences........ oh yeah fps...

Sorry If I was the one who caused any chaos or turmoil in peoples
lives for posting wrong info...... My bad........
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My staff and I currently have 3 1D's and 1 D60. While we all initially avoided the D60 because of it's cheap feel and slow autofocus I've gradually taken to its higher resolution.

I still always carry a 1D with me in case I'm in a situation where I must respond quickly but I believe a good photographer can capture a great photo with an EOS 1-series camera or an AE-1.

I use the D60 almost exclusively at tennis matches where a little anticipation can more than correct for slow AF and shutter lag. The D60's low ISO range limited its use at night and indoor events but the 10D seems to have fixed this.

Sturdiness doesn't seem to be an issue either. I've dropped my A2 more times than I have fingers on my hands and it still works fine(granted I never dropped it while attached to a 400 2.8 like I've done several times to the 1D).

If I were to buy a camera for personal use now it would be the 10D because of its price and resolution. I'm waiting for a 7MP 1Dn at next year's PMA. However if you have the need for speed now and don't need prints larger than 8x12 then the 1D will make you forget you ever used film.
 
For weddings, I still use the
1V because there's no way the 10D can touch the 1V's focus speed
But it is matched by the 1D/1Ds.
and the look of Kodak Portra cannot be duplicated by any digital
camera.
The Portra family is great & my first choice for skin tones in the film world, but it can easily be duplicated or even bettered with digital if you have the PS skills.

Regards,
Bern Caughey
 
Even the processing engine is the same. 4MP at 8FPS = 11MP at 3FPS
as far as processing throughput is concerned.
"The EOS-1Ds does not use the same processing engine and related components that affect the speed at which it can, among other things, write finished files to the CF card. The 1D is one of the fastest cameras around at this; the 1Ds, by utilizing different components, including the same DIGIC processing hardware that is now common across all its recently-designed point and shoot and digital SLR models, the 1Ds is simply a lot slower at this task than the 1D. File size, etc, doesn't really factor into it in this case.

Incidentally, the same appears to apply to the D60 vs the 10D, where the latter is noticeably slower at writing than the camera it replaces (though the performance gap isn't as big as between the 1D and 1Ds).

The 1Ds is a wonderful camera in many ways, but Canon has hobbled it with a too slow write speed and, like all other Canon digital SLRs, the inability to fully review photos until the buffer has been cleared to the card. This has an impact on me when I simply want to review 1-2 frames with the 1Ds and, even with the quickest CF card around, there is an unacceptably long pause before I can see pics on the rear LCD.

It doesn't have to be like this: Nikon's current crop of digital SLRs, for example, enable one to view and move through pics on the rear LCD even as they're being written to the card. It's long overdue that Canon do the same thing in their SLRs, as well as ensure that the adoption of common processing hardware across their camera line doesn't negatively affect things like the write speed in their big file digital SLR models."
Rob Galbraith

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Regards,
Bern Caughey
 
don't need prints larger than 8x12 then the 1D will make you forget
you ever used film.
don't need prints larger than 8x12 then the 1D will make you forget
you ever used film.
Sokolsky has used his 1D for double page spreads in glossy fashion magazines & it can easily make prints much larger than 8x12.

Like many others, I recently upgraded from a D60 to the 1D & the difference in the files is astonishing as is the responsiveness. I just finished shooting 4 days of the LA fashion shows & the 1D never let me down. I never once needed to switch to my back-up body due to buffer/write times, something the S2, D10 & D100 users were hitting constantly. My only complaint is that the 1D's CCD is much more prone to moire than the 10D/D60's CMOS sensor. This is due primarily to the 1D's less aggressive AA filter, which makes it much sharper than the D60/D10.

Regards,
Bern Caughey
 
don't need prints larger than 8x12 then the 1D will make you forget
you ever used film.
don't need prints larger than 8x12 then the 1D will make you forget
you ever used film.
Sokolsky has used his 1D for double page spreads in glossy fashion
magazines & it can easily make prints much larger than 8x12.
Hate to contradict you Bern, but I can make 16x20 prints easily and with the RIP on the lightjet I have made beautiful 47" x 56" ptints. You are being mucho conservative.
Like many others, I recently upgraded from a D60 to the 1D & the
difference in the files is astonishing as is the responsiveness. I
just finished shooting 4 days of the LA fashion shows & the 1D
never let me down. I never once needed to switch to my back-up body
due to buffer/write times, something the S2, D10 & D100 users were
hitting constantly. My only complaint is that the 1D's CCD is much
more prone to moire than the 10D/D60's CMOS sensor. This is due
primarily to the 1D's less aggressive AA filter, which makes it
much sharper than the D60/D10.

Regards,
Bern Caughey
I have 10 pages in the new April issue of Wallpaper Magazine(on the newstands now). I used both the 1D and the 1Ds, see if you can pick which images were made with the 1D? The pages are full bleed and the spreads are 11.75" x 18" ... both cameras are a great complement to each other.

Best

Melvin

http://www.sokolsky.com/
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jrisc
 
Hate to contradict you Bern, but I can make 16x20 prints easily and
with the RIP on the lightjet I have made beautiful 47" x 56"
ptints. You are being mucho conservative.
I was trying to be conservative in order not to mis-quote you, but I do remember you telling me this before. This week has been a blur & I've had very little sleep due to all the editing & I didn't have time to go through your posts to link to them properly.
I have 10 pages in the new April issue of Wallpaper Magazine(on
the newstands now). I used both the 1D and the 1Ds, see if you can
pick which images were made with the 1D? The pages are full bleed
and the spreads are 11.75" x 18" ... both cameras are a great
complement to each other.
I edited my post where I originally wrote "oversized" fashion magazines since my memory is poor tonight. I've been testing resizing the 1D's files to 200+ mb & it really is amazing how well this camera performs. I can't thank you enough for all the help you've provided.

Thanks,
Bern
 
I've been testing
resizing the 1D's files to 200+ mb & it really is amazing how well
this camera performs. I can't thank you enough for all the help
you've provided.
Bern, Melvin,

I will second that to both of you and Mastrianni for the 1d advice.

I am presently working final output from our Paris production and am still amazed by the output of this camera.

Naturally in the client's approval process, they selected am image that I was using as a digital polaroid. I opened it up 1/2 stop in ARC, hit the color, up rezzed it to 200 mb, and started working. Pretty amazing file.

Next week we are in production and I have rented a 1ds to evaluate.

Once again, Thanks.

Best Regards,

James Russell
Russell Rutherford
http://www.russellrutherford.com/rutherford.html
 
Given the price difference, the 10D is fine unless you need the 1D for something specific.

Most users don't need the build quality of the 1D, and hence the 10D is ideal for them, at the price.

If you're a resolution junkie, then save up for the 1Ds, otherwise for hobby use the 10D is more than sufficient.

IMHO

Chris.
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Frankly speaking, I would suggest you should not waster any of your hard-earned money on any of these Canons. See some color rendition problems that we (the cameras owners) have already found:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=4797545

If you really want to spend the money, I suggest you waste it on the 10D as it is way cheap - the damage will be less significant =)

The EOS 1Ds is also using a CMOS sensor, whereas EOS 1D is using CCD. I myself prefers the EOS 1D over the 1Ds, after applying the latest firmware updates.
 
1V because there's no way the 10D can touch the 1V's focus speed
But it is matched by the 1D/1Ds.
I consider the 1Ds to be match for the 1V in the digital world but at $8000, I have to shoot a whole lot of film to make it up. I'll wait until the prices drop a bit or the 1Ds gets replaced with more pixels.
and the look of Kodak Portra cannot be duplicated by any digital
camera.
The Portra family is great & my first choice for skin tones in the
film world, but it can easily be duplicated or even bettered with
digital if you have the PS skills.
I beg to differ on this point. Color tone is a very subjective matter. I agree you can get close to the color tone of Portra with any editing program but one can never get the consistent and smooth skin tones, not to mention the exposure latitude of Portra. Saying you can duplicate Portra in Photoshop is like saying you can duplicate Velvia by increasing saturation on digital. The average person may say it looks the same but you'll have a tough time convincing a a landsape photographer. Assuming the prints are printed professionally, I can easily identify prints made from Portra, Supra, Astia, or Velvia. I've shot all of them and they all look different. Again...a very personal preference. I'm just very particular about color. In my eyes, nothing beats Portra. Not even Fuji Portrait NPC.

I'll be surprised if the majority on this forum know what I'm talking about. In the past, when I say Velvia, they think cheese.

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