Jail Bird . . .

right. The only thing the Homeland Security Act did was to increase the cost of government while restricting our civil liberties pretending to protect us from terrorists that no law can stop. Maybe we should have had Jesse Ventura in the Senate. He vetoed a bill in Minnesota banning ice fishing in May because he said, "You can't legislate against stupidity." Laws do not stop people from doing anything. They only give the state the means by which to try someone for criminal activity. And they certainly will not prevent a terrorist from doing any foul deed he has dreamed up. I am sorry to hear that the creeping fear has gotten into West Virginia, one of my favorite places in the world.

Melanie Kipp said:

I was taking those photographs in DAYLIGHT......
;-)

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Ha, HA,... Maybe, but now he saw clearly your camera, fixed on a support and that coated Hoya infrared filter on the extruded zoomlens looked like a black hole and under that weird contraption was kind of handgrip with a trigger mechanism and the swivelling up thing would sure be a visor .

I escaped from that experience: Last week we were re-collecting paintings from a place where we seldom have been but where my wife had an exhibition. I had planned the trip along a line of oil refineries where we would have the sun in the back, during the morning, to make a couple of pictures. I like complex machineries. Not one single possibility to stop without serious danger for the other traffic. So, no pics and no complications with guards.

But once that idea of photographing a refinery is hooked up, it will haunt me till I give up, and that is not the plan. I will return, someday, on my motorcycle.

THANKS Ferenc for your very valuable program. Am fully prepared now .
Hans

what law has been enacted to prevent taking pictures in a public area?

the law hasn't changed - police/rent-a-cop attitudes towards intimidation have.

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Any filesystem will work for CF cards from FAT16 to NTFS, but in this context that no complex security issues are involved a FAT filesystem is enough.

However, as FAT16 can only manage volumes up to 2GB, cards larger than that should use FAT32.

I cant help but find it somewhat amusing that people are only now upset about the heightened level of police intrusion. Its been there all along. You just have not experienced it before now.

Fear is a choice.

I would have under no circumstances removed any pictures because a police officer has no legal right to make you.

I would have forced him to arrest me before removing any pictures because you were breaking no laws.

Asking me to leave because of 'loitering' , okay I would have left. But "NO WAY" am I reformatting my card because of "you know in this day and age".

Show me an ordinace, recite a statute, he better do more than give me his opinion, because that won't cut it for me.

So if I took a picture of a bald eagle, does that mean I'm going to shoot it?
So I snapped a shot of really hot car, I'm not going to steal it!!!

Excuse the rant, just had to vent!!

Ed

Create a new Directory and switch to the blank one so it looks like they are all deleted.

Not that cops are stupid or anything (no pun) but I don't think he would be the wiser unless he owned one himself!!!

Ed

This was the beginning of the end!!! If you can find it on the net read it, and see why all of the beautiful rights we enjoy in the US are soon to go away. This wide reaching law skirts around several checks and balances that were in place to keep both side honest.

They can do things and make an FBI file on you and you don't even know it! They probaly have one on everyone in this forum now just beacuse we are making a fuss!

Remember the "CARNIVORE" system installed at WEB HOSTING SERVERS? This site would be a prime candidate with all the international hits ot receives!!!

SCARY!

Ed

Ed Starkey said:

This was the beginning of the end!!! If you can find it on the net
read it, and see why all of the beautiful rights we enjoy in the US
are soon to go away. This wide reaching law skirts around several
checks and balances that were in place to keep both side honest.

They can do things and make an FBI file on you and you don't even
know it! They probaly have one on everyone in this forum now just
beacuse we are making a fuss!

Remember the "CARNIVORE" system installed at WEB HOSTING SERVERS?
This site would be a prime candidate with all the international
hits ot receives!!!

SCARY!

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Ed,

If you are feeling a little bit paranoid, I wouldn't be surprised.

Dave

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I was talking photos around Boston a few weeks ago. We had gotten our 2000th snow storm this winter and I thought that it would be the last one (it's supposed to snow today

Anyway, there was a cop tagging a parked car in the middle of the Big Dig. I shot a photo and he was none too happy. Turns out that he was part of some kind of "special unit". At the request of his attack dog I promptly deleted it.

-Craig

Melanie Kipp said:

... almost. I was doing some IR shooting this afternoon. There is
a coal fueled electric power plant a few miles from here. A
cloudless blue sky... white steam billowing from the cooling towers
( they look like nuclear power plant cooling towers ), some green
leaves to frame it all.... I had about 1/2 of a 256 mb CF card full
when a police officer drove up.

He: " Are you photographing the power plant, Miss? "
Me: " Why, yes I am ! smile "
He: " You can't do that. You know, in this day and age"
Me: " I can't???" incredulous
He: " No, Miss. May I see some ID?"
Needless to say the scene ends with me reformatting the CF card,
then driving away...

Damn, the previews were awesome.

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http://www.caughtintimephotography.com

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john grayson said:

everyone here is acting like it's the end of the world, law's
change, get used to it. you guys can believe what you want but
Melanie does not have the right to take pictures of that power
plant because she didn't have permission. no, the government is not
freaking out and taking away peoples liberties. they are just
trying to make this country a safer place for all of us to live in.
everyone here seems to want their cake and eat it to. if the
government wasn't doing anything to make us safer you all would be
complaining. i live right outside of nyc and know first hand what
it was like on 9/11. i for one am glad our country is trying to
fill in the security holes so people don't have to worry about
getting on a plane, or subway or going in a public building. if not
taking photos of possible terrorist targets and taking off my shoes
at metal detectors in airports will help keep us all safe then i
have no problem with that. this is the reality we all live in now,
in time this will all pass. you all need to start being realistic.

i'm sorry for this rant and if it angers anyone. some things are a
little more important then wether or not someone takes a nice
pretty photo.

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No actually there arent any more things important. It is called civil liberties. Take away one right then another and another. Guess what before you know it you have no rights. Freedom of the press applies to more than just journalists. I for one enjoy living in a free nation. If you are willing to give up all of those inalienable rights your and my forefathers gave us than you are extremely ignorant. That is exactly how Hitler gained control of Germany by taking away one right at a time. So no I will not be safer if the government tries to take away my rights.

Whether or not the policeman was happy about it, and regardless of what "special unit" he belonged to, as I understand it there's no law against photographing law enforcement officers. On the other hand, I'm sure that those K-9 units can be quite convincing... ;-)

Cheers,
Jeremy

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Darrell,

Unlike the U.K., the E.C., and most of the modern, industrialized world, the U.S. operates on a principle of employment known as "employment at will"; an employer may terminate an employee at any time without giving a reason. The exceptions to this are employees protected by civil service tenure, a contract with restrictions on termination, or dismissals for a few impermissable reasons, such as certain types of discrimination, (age, race, gender,) or for some reasons of public policy, like "whistle-blower" status. However, since employers are not required to give reasons for dismissals, in most cases the burden of proof will be on the dismissed employee.

In the U.S. there are, unlike in the U.K., no Labour Tribunals, no general requirement for progressive (graduated) discipline in labor relations, nor is there a basic prohibition of "unfair dismissal." In fact, outside of the exceptions mentioned above, unfair dismissal is an employer's right.

None of which is meant to discourage your immigration to the U.S., (we have a nursing shortage!) It's just to let you know what the ground rules are. If you want to protect yourself from unfair dismissal when you get here, try for a civil service job, one with a unionized employer, or a solid individual contract that clarifies the permissable grounds for discipline.

Darrell Whittle said:

I am a nurse in the UK and myself and my wife are in the process of
emmigrating to the USA. This leads me to ask a question, if, as a
nurse you are arrested, is not your employer under an obligation to
suspend you ONLY, while your guilt or innocence is determined?
Would this not mean you carry on recieving your pay?

Look forward to a reply as our future in the USA (the land of the
free?) may well be up for reconsideration for a variety of reasons,
of which this is one.

Cheers.
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Some of my best efforts are at
http://www.photo.net/shared/community-member?user_id=520628

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I live in Boston too, Craig, and I've been dealing with these bullies for years. Know your rights and stand your ground. If there was anything "special" about this guy he wouldn't have been writing parking tickets. And if he had sicced the dog on you, you and your lawyer would own the city, his house and Mayor Menino's house. As long as you're on public property, you can shoot anything you want, and NEVER give up your film or delete the card.

Craig Brown said:

Anyway, there was a cop tagging a parked car in the middle of the
Big Dig. I shot a photo and he was none too happy. Turns out that
he was part of some kind of "special unit". At the request of his
attack dog I promptly deleted it.

-Craig

Melanie Kipp said:

... almost. I was doing some IR shooting this afternoon. There is
a coal fueled electric power plant a few miles from here. A
cloudless blue sky... white steam billowing from the cooling towers
( they look like nuclear power plant cooling towers ), some green
leaves to frame it all.... I had about 1/2 of a 256 mb CF card full
when a police officer drove up.

He: " Are you photographing the power plant, Miss? "
Me: " Why, yes I am ! smile "
He: " You can't do that. You know, in this day and age"
Me: " I can't???" incredulous
He: " No, Miss. May I see some ID?"
Needless to say the scene ends with me reformatting the CF card,
then driving away...

Damn, the previews were awesome.

--
Please visit me at:
http://www.caughtintimephotography.com

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Ed Starkey said:

So if I took a picture of a bald eagle, does that mean I'm going to
shoot it?

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more of it, even if a person had bad intention, what harm can they do by taking a photo? I agree that it is right to check identity, but to make the a good citizen reformat the card was not called for. There is no photos that anyone can take from outside that thing that can reveal something that is not already published on the internet or well known.

I beleive this place was photographed before many time and it is quite easy to find info on it. You need much more than a camera to shoot this thing down

Ed Starkey said:

So I snapped a shot of really hot car, I'm not going to steal it!!!

Excuse the rant, just had to vent!!

Ed

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Daniella said:

Ed Starkey said:

So if I took a picture of a bald eagle, does that mean I'm going to
shoot it?

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more of it, even if a person had bad intention, what harm can they
do by taking a photo? I agree that it is right to check
identity, but to make the a good citizen reformat the card was not
called for. There is no photos that anyone can take from outside
that thing that can reveal something that is not already published
on the internet or well known.

I beleive this place was photographed before many time and it is
quite easy to find info on it. You need much more than a camera to
shoot this thing down

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Hide a RPG inside a 600 mm super-telephoto lens?

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Petteri Sulonen said:

Daniella said:

Ed Starkey said:

So if I took a picture of a bald eagle, does that mean I'm going to
shoot it?

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more of it, even if a person had bad intention, what harm can they
do by taking a photo? I agree that it is right to check
identity, but to make the a good citizen reformat the card was not
called for. There is no photos that anyone can take from outside
that thing that can reveal something that is not already published
on the internet or well known.

I beleive this place was photographed before many time and it is
quite easy to find info on it. You need much more than a camera to
shoot this thing down

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Hide a RPG inside a 600 mm super-telephoto lens?

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But the camera must be open at the back side, lololololololololol

Petteri Sulonen said:

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