Kenn Hwang43495
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Thanks Mike, that makes me feel better.
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Don't take photos of oil storage tanks
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mike m134089
Leading Member
Funny thing is--I needed to get out the receipt anyway because today the camera is going to canon for a piece of dust on the sonsor that absolutely is not coming off...M.
1D, Tokina 28-80 2.8, 28-105USM, 50 1.8
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1D, Tokina 28-80 2.8, 28-105USM, 50 1.8
Jonathan Lefcourt
Senior Member
See, the FBI actually helped you.
JL
Jonathan Lefcourt
Some winter pics taken in NY State
http://www.pbase.com/jlefcourt/some_winter_shots&page=all
JL
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Jonathan Lefcourt
Some winter pics taken in NY State
http://www.pbase.com/jlefcourt/some_winter_shots&page=all
Tom Baltz
Member
because I'm GLAD Mike had a knock on the door from the feds!
I live in the oil capital city of the US, where petroleum & chemical refineries/storage/processing facilities & headquarters built this city. Any industrial accident, or more imporantly terrorist sabotage, can bring loss of life, become a local environmental disaster, and have financial implications felt throughout the country, and world. I have been to most of these facilities (for my business), and even in non-war times the refinery plant security is equal to or even exceeds government standards used at DOD and DOE facilities across the nation. How do I know?.... over 15 years as a contractor for nasa and other spook sites requiring security clearances.
Cameras are not allowed in these oil & chemical facilities, nor on any of the premises or property, period. I routinely have my briefcase and car checked every single time I enter a facility. Nobody gains access thru the gates unless the folks you're visiting come & meet you ... and this occurs during non-war times. And I'm glad.... just imagine the consequences some nitwit can create.
I'm pleasantly suprised the plant security contacted the FBI & they followed thru. Excellent security, I can only hope they do the same in my hometown. The US has experienced horrific terrorist attacks, with very recent threats of homeland terrorism from both Iraq & al Qaeda. An ounce of prevention.....
Excuse my long & rambling post, just utilizing my FREEDOM our boys are fighting for, and realize it can not be taken for granted.
I live in the oil capital city of the US, where petroleum & chemical refineries/storage/processing facilities & headquarters built this city. Any industrial accident, or more imporantly terrorist sabotage, can bring loss of life, become a local environmental disaster, and have financial implications felt throughout the country, and world. I have been to most of these facilities (for my business), and even in non-war times the refinery plant security is equal to or even exceeds government standards used at DOD and DOE facilities across the nation. How do I know?.... over 15 years as a contractor for nasa and other spook sites requiring security clearances.
Cameras are not allowed in these oil & chemical facilities, nor on any of the premises or property, period. I routinely have my briefcase and car checked every single time I enter a facility. Nobody gains access thru the gates unless the folks you're visiting come & meet you ... and this occurs during non-war times. And I'm glad.... just imagine the consequences some nitwit can create.
I'm pleasantly suprised the plant security contacted the FBI & they followed thru. Excellent security, I can only hope they do the same in my hometown. The US has experienced horrific terrorist attacks, with very recent threats of homeland terrorism from both Iraq & al Qaeda. An ounce of prevention.....
Excuse my long & rambling post, just utilizing my FREEDOM our boys are fighting for, and realize it can not be taken for granted.
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Daniel Lauring
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What was the name of the shoe bomber?!?!!?
Danny
Danny
ChromeLight
Senior Member
I did not feel my rights were infringed upon in any way, and if
Actually, they won't if they continue to waste time in this way. I'm shocked by how many photographers seem to think that photographing industrial sights is 'suspicious' activity. There's an entire genre of such photography.
ChromeLight
Senior Member
You think visiting a museum will help us fight terrorism?
Yes, because that way stupid FBI agents won't waste time and hassle someone with twenty pounds of medium and/or large format equipment, who is a citizen, who is not trying to conceal his or her activity, and who is obviously not a member of any ethnic group that may originate from a country of concern. By your logic our best and brightest should be shaking down homeless people who panhandle near Federal buildings because they obviously can observe the building all day, which is certainly suspicious. Why would someone want to be across from a Federal building all day? Sounds very suspicious. And what about the dune buggy crowd heading toward those power lines and gas lines on BLM land in the Southwest during the weekends? Or the thousands of hikers in the San Gabriel mountains outside of Los Angeles? Jee, you can hike across some huge gas lines going into Los Angeles through the mountains. Better put the FBI on all the trail heads as well.
Yes, because that way stupid FBI agents won't waste time and hassle someone with twenty pounds of medium and/or large format equipment, who is a citizen, who is not trying to conceal his or her activity, and who is obviously not a member of any ethnic group that may originate from a country of concern. By your logic our best and brightest should be shaking down homeless people who panhandle near Federal buildings because they obviously can observe the building all day, which is certainly suspicious. Why would someone want to be across from a Federal building all day? Sounds very suspicious. And what about the dune buggy crowd heading toward those power lines and gas lines on BLM land in the Southwest during the weekends? Or the thousands of hikers in the San Gabriel mountains outside of Los Angeles? Jee, you can hike across some huge gas lines going into Los Angeles through the mountains. Better put the FBI on all the trail heads as well.
Thanks for the feedback. Now I'm curious. I'll check it out.
Ever see the movie, "Seige"? I hope "in the interests of national security" we don't end up with something like that kind of scenario. I wish I could remember the quote I read shortly after 9/11 – something about giving up our freedom for security – and being neither free nor secure in the long run.
Tom
Photography – you gotta love it. All kinds of flavors and enough
for everyone.
Ever see the movie, "Seige"? I hope "in the interests of national security" we don't end up with something like that kind of scenario. I wish I could remember the quote I read shortly after 9/11 – something about giving up our freedom for security – and being neither free nor secure in the long run.
--If you value your freedom and national security, go ahead and take
whatever pictures you want. If the police or FBI show up asking
questions, be polite and as cooperative as you deem necessary and
convenient. Just DON'T be scared away from doing something that you
have a right to do.
Knock, knock.
I hope not.
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Tom
Photography – you gotta love it. All kinds of flavors and enough
for everyone.
Tom
Photography – you gotta love it. All kinds of flavors and enough
for everyone.
And there's an entire genre of enthusiasts who design and make fireworks. So I guess it'd be silly for the FBI to be investigating folks ordering quantities of explosives-making materials.
Nothing personal, and yes the above is pretty silly, but your argument strikes me the same way. It's like you're saying that "well, there's a bunch of folks who do this all the time, so there's no point in ever checking up on someone who appears like they might possibly be doing that same thing."
-- Lew
Any DSLR beats unexposed film.
Nothing personal, and yes the above is pretty silly, but your argument strikes me the same way. It's like you're saying that "well, there's a bunch of folks who do this all the time, so there's no point in ever checking up on someone who appears like they might possibly be doing that same thing."
-- Lew
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Any DSLR beats unexposed film.
Chris Charlton
Senior Member
What am I not hearing? The terrorists want to take away freedoms like taking pictures, including pictures of oil drums, airplanes whatever.Umm... no. If it sounds that way you're not listening very well.Sounds like the terrorists have already beaten you....However, I've decided that would probably not be a wise thing to be
doing right now.
Now it seems they have succeded because you are too intimidated to take pictures of things you want to, for fear of being a suspect.
That to me sounds like the terrorists have won.
ChromeLight
Senior Member
And there's an entire genre of enthusiasts who design and make fireworks. So I guess it'd be silly for the FBI to be investigating folks ordering quantities of explosives-making materials.
Lew,
If it's legal in their state to make home-manufactured fireworks then what's the problem? And your argument is a straw man argument, te are tight controls on explosive materials in the U.S. Even large quantities of nitrogen fertilizer are regulated. So where exactly do these enthusiasts order mass quantities of black powder? Please enlighten me.
Lew,
If it's legal in their state to make home-manufactured fireworks then what's the problem? And your argument is a straw man argument, te are tight controls on explosive materials in the U.S. Even large quantities of nitrogen fertilizer are regulated. So where exactly do these enthusiasts order mass quantities of black powder? Please enlighten me.
Chris Charlton
Senior Member
Oh I see now, all is becoming clear, the Iraqi's must be our enemies because they live in the middle east, and so do some folks from Al Queida (don't get much more concrete than that!) and they must have chemical weapons that they are going to give to their middle eastern buddies because a 12 year old wrote a report on it!!!
I am waiting for the news to show the "chemical weapons" whilst they display a picture of a bottle of Toilet duck next to Saddam Husseins presidential toilet.
What a bunch of sheep some people are to believe this very poor propaganda show.
"They are the enemy because our dumb president told us they are...."
and remember...
"Please don't burn your oil fields...please? because my buddy Chainey and his old work buddies want to come into Iraq and tap all that lovely oil!!"
I am waiting for the news to show the "chemical weapons" whilst they display a picture of a bottle of Toilet duck next to Saddam Husseins presidential toilet.
What a bunch of sheep some people are to believe this very poor propaganda show.
"They are the enemy because our dumb president told us they are...."
and remember...
"Please don't burn your oil fields...please? because my buddy Chainey and his old work buddies want to come into Iraq and tap all that lovely oil!!"
Jonathan Lefcourt
Senior Member
I guess you cannot read very well. Please read his original and subsequent posts. The FBI did not "catch" him in the act fool. Please read the posts before you post your nonsense.
JL
Jonathan Lefcourt
Some winter pics taken in NY State
http://www.pbase.com/jlefcourt/some_winter_shots&page=all
JL
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Jonathan Lefcourt
Some winter pics taken in NY State
http://www.pbase.com/jlefcourt/some_winter_shots&page=all
Jonathan Lefcourt
Senior Member
Please go back to the Sigma forum to spew your foolish nonsense. Genre or not, people and the police, think it is suspicious to photograph a site that might be a terror target. Please remove your head from the sand and take a good look around.
Jonathan Lefcourt
Some winter pics taken in NY State
http://www.pbase.com/jlefcourt/some_winter_shots&page=all
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Jonathan Lefcourt
Some winter pics taken in NY State
http://www.pbase.com/jlefcourt/some_winter_shots&page=all
Jonathan Lefcourt
Senior Member
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Jonathan Lefcourt
Some winter pics taken in NY State
http://www.pbase.com/jlefcourt/some_winter_shots&page=all
ChromeLight
Senior Member
Jonathan,
In case you're reading this (when you sign on as yourself), I just wanted to let you know that some ss has highjacked your account and is posting some rather embarrassing comments in your name.
ChromeLight
Senior Member
Having a slow day in Upstate, NY?
You apparently read only my first paragraph and missed the second. It was very clearly and explicitly stated that it was a silly example.
What I don't understand is how you can go from the existance of a "genre" of photography involving photographing industrial sites to declaring that there's no possiblility that anyone photographic such sites might have ill intent.
-- Lew
Any DSLR beats unexposed film.
What I don't understand is how you can go from the existance of a "genre" of photography involving photographing industrial sites to declaring that there's no possiblility that anyone photographic such sites might have ill intent.
-- Lew
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Any DSLR beats unexposed film.
doctor digi
Senior Member
How very true. It's also interesting watching the knee-jerk reaction.
The UK mainland has been under threat of terrorist attack for years (the IRA) and while there are security cordons in London it doesn't stop people taking pictures.
We've also now attracted the unecessary attention of world terrorists thanks to our participation in this unnecessary war. However, once again, it doesn't stop me from going to airfields, oil depots or other infrastructure and taking pictures. I live near an airfield and saw a plane spotter with camera and tele lens last week (it wasn't a Canon ;-)
It doesn't mean security is not in place - it just means that it's subtle and doesn't involve hassling people on bridges or calling on people at home to give them a hard time when any background check will show that they are unlikely to be a threat.
dd
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