S602 vs 6900 Help!

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Hi,

I'm a graphic designer and I also have a small photography business, portraits mostly with digital imaging (adding color to b & w, etc.). I have been using my 4900 for this and it's held up very well with surprisingly good results. I am getting ready to buy another camera- moving the 4900 to backup/personal status! I was thinking of getting the 6900 since it has the 6mp output like the S602 and they seem very similar. The 6900 also uses the same batteries as the 4900 (this would be convenient) . What would be the advantages of the s602 over the 6900? Are the photos of the same quality from each of these cameras? This is all I really care about- image quality.

Thank you so much!

Mel
 
S602 advantages, compared to 6900:
  • Higher resolution EVF(veiwfinder)
  • Possibly lower noise(the samples demonstrated show clearly higher noise in teh 6900, but I do not know which setting were used on the 6900 on these, nor am i familir with the 6900 setting in any detail.)
If you get a s602, then i recommend you check out my sharpening summary on the s602's settings to achive max. image quality:

http://www.linaeum.com/productinfo/digitalcams/fuji_s602/index.html

-Chris
Hi,

I'm a graphic designer and I also have a small photography
business, portraits mostly with digital imaging (adding color to b
& w, etc.). I have been using my 4900 for this and it's held up
very well with surprisingly good results. I am getting ready to
buy another camera- moving the 4900 to backup/personal status! I
was thinking of getting the 6900 since it has the 6mp output like
the S602 and they seem very similar. The 6900 also uses the same
batteries as the 4900 (this would be convenient) . What would be
the advantages of the s602 over the 6900? Are the photos of the
same quality from each of these cameras? This is all I really care
about- image quality.

Thank you so much!

Mel
 
batteries as the 4900 (this would be convenient) . What would be
the advantages of the s602 over the 6900? Are the photos of the
same quality from each of these cameras? This is all I really care
about- image quality.
Hi Mel,

I've got a 6900 and saw no clear advantage for me to upgrade when the 602 came out. Image quality will be the same out of either camera. The main differences in the 602 is the availability of dual media and the use of AA batteires, in my opinion. The AF and a few pother features were tweaked up as well. But, like you, I have plenty of batteries and smartmedia cards, so I just did not see the advantages for me to get a 602 over the 6900. If you can find a 6900 at a good price in good condition, I'd say it would suit you just fine.
--
John

Fuji 6900Z, Fuji2600Z,
Pentax PZ-1p, Pentax ZX-M, Pentax MX, Oly Stylus
http://www.pbase.com/jglover
 
batteries as the 4900 (this would be convenient) . What would be
the advantages of the s602 over the 6900? Are the photos of the
same quality from each of these cameras? This is all I really care
about- image quality.
Hi Mel,

I've got a 6900 and saw no clear advantage for me to upgrade when
the 602 came out. Image quality will be the same out of either
camera. The main differences in the 602 is the availability of
dual media and the use of AA batteires, in my opinion. The AF and
a few pother features were tweaked up as well. But, like you, I
have plenty of batteries and smartmedia cards, so I just did not
see the advantages for me to get a 602 over the 6900. If you can
find a 6900 at a good price in good condition, I'd say it would
suit you just fine.
--
John

Fuji 6900Z, Fuji2600Z,
Pentax PZ-1p, Pentax ZX-M, Pentax MX, Oly Stylus
http://www.pbase.com/jglover
Thanks John! That was exactly the info I was looking for- I've got all the smartmedia and batteries I could possibly need so this would seem to be the right choice. I had heard so much about the S602 I was afraid I was missing some important detail or reason to buy it instead of the 6900. I think the 6900 will do nicely until I am rich enough to buy a nice S2 outfit...hah! By the way, can you recommend a very good quality external flash that is compatible with both of these cameras? I am using continuous light right now. Don't laugh but I am using regular halogen 1500w and making color adjustments in photoshop. (Can't afford other lights right now) I am pretty new into photography but know photoshop really well, which is a big help with digital!!

Thanks again!

Mel
 
S602 advantages, compared to 6900:
  • Higher resolution EVF(veiwfinder)
  • Increased dynamic range(dave box targets on
http://www.imaging-resource.com demonstrate this)
  • Possibly lower noise(the samples demonstrated show clearly higher
noise in teh 6900, but I do not know which setting were used on
the 6900 on these, nor am i familir with the 6900 setting in any
detail.)

If you get a s602, then i recommend you check out my sharpening
summary on the s602's settings to achive max. image quality:

http://www.linaeum.com/productinfo/digitalcams/fuji_s602/index.html

-Chris
Thanks for the links Chris, I will check them out...and with the info I am gathering, I think the 6900 is going to be the correct purchase for me.

I'd also like to know if you can recommend a very good quality external flash that is compatible with 4900 and 6900? I am using continuous light right now which is hot in Texas! Don't laugh but I am using regular halogen 1500w and making color adjustments in photoshop. (Can't afford other lights right now) I am pretty new into photography but know photoshop really well, which is a big help with digital!! Thank you again!

Mel
 
Thanks John! That was exactly the info I was looking for- I've got
all the smartmedia and batteries I could possibly need so this
would seem to be the right choice. I had heard so much about the
S602 I was afraid I was missing some important detail or reason to
buy it instead of the 6900. I think the 6900 will do nicely until
I am rich enough to buy a nice S2 outfit...hah! By the way, can
you recommend a very good quality external flash that is compatible
with both of these cameras? I am using continuous light right now.
Don't laugh but I am using regular halogen 1500w and making color
adjustments in photoshop. (Can't afford other lights right now) I
am pretty new into photography but know photoshop really well,
which is a big help with digital!!
If you are set on batteires and media (I've actually got eight batterries, when Kodak was selling them for $10 a piece!), then the 6900 should be the camera you need. In the previous post WmAx mentioned a few differences in cameras, but I don't theink these will be critical to your intended use.

As far as a flash goes, I'm using my Pentax units, the Pentax AF280T, which works just fine. Also, the Vivitrar 283 or 285 are terrific units as is the Sunpak 383. I picked up my Pentax unit off http://www.keh.com for $50.....it retails for about $160 street price. KEH is a good source for used camera equipment and I've found them to be reliable as well as fair in their grading of used equipment. I buy stuff from them in bargain condition and it has always been just fine.

If you are looking to use the flash with the S2, then I'd suggest looking into Nikon units as they can take advantage of the S2's features. The key is you have to get Nikon unit which supports automatic flash and is not solely TTL dediciated. A good quality camera store would be your best bet to find one of these, although there are several recents discussion on the forum with regard to using Nikon units on the 602/6900/4900.

--
John

Fuji 6900Z, Fuji2600Z,
Pentax PZ-1p, Pentax ZX-M, Pentax MX, Oly Stylus
http://www.pbase.com/jglover
 
If you are set on batteires and media (I've actually got eight
batterries, when Kodak was selling them for $10 a piece!), then the
6900 should be the camera you need. In the previous post WmAx
mentioned a few differences in cameras, but I don't theink these
will be critical to your intended use.

Thanks John- I just won an ebay auction for 6 more plus a rapid charger for $46. Thanks for all your help. I will look at the website you've recommended.
thanks again!

mel
 
I had the 6900 and have had the S602 for nearly a year now. There are a host of changes that seem inconsiderable at first that add up to a significantly better handling camera.

I find I like the S602 much more, primarily from the standpoint of handling. The buttons are far easier to find without looking on the S602, which makes for much quicker handling while shooting. The EVF is also much better, much brighter and sharper. The only disconcerting thing about it is the autoadjustments it makes for the brightness of the scene, but then, it also doesn't flare out when there is a bright light in the scene as the 6900 EVF does.

Also, although I initially thought I wouldn't use the video capability, I find now that I have it that it makes good short clips for web sites instructional sequences.

Also, the ability to have both SmartMedia and Compact Flash cards in the camera simultaneously gives me much more image capacity without changing cards.

The AA batteries are a better concept than the proprietary lithium because it greatly expands the power possibilities. I've even built a lead acid battery belt pack that lets me keep the camera turned on all day long (cost me US$30 to build, including recharger). It's the same battery pack I use for my Vivitar 283 flash units (actually, I've built 4 of these battery packs, and I can use them interchangeably between the camera and the flash units). You can find instructions for the battery pack at http://www.aljacobs.com .

I always worried about that ungainly and delicate accessory door on the 6900 when used with an exterior power source, but they fixed that quite nicely with the S602.

Image quality, all other things being equal, is unchanged, but for me the handling changes can make the difference in whether I get the image in the first place.
Hi,

I'm a graphic designer and I also have a small photography
business, portraits mostly with digital imaging (adding color to b
& w, etc.). I have been using my 4900 for this and it's held up
very well with surprisingly good results. I am getting ready to
buy another camera- moving the 4900 to backup/personal status! I
was thinking of getting the 6900 since it has the 6mp output like
the S602 and they seem very similar. The 6900 also uses the same
batteries as the 4900 (this would be convenient) . What would be
the advantages of the s602 over the 6900? Are the photos of the
same quality from each of these cameras? This is all I really care
about- image quality.

Thank you so much!

Mel
--
RDKirk

'I know you're smarter than I am. But I think you're making up some of those words.' Rocky Rooster from 'Chicken Run'
 
I had the 6900 and have had the S602 for nearly a year now. There
are a host of changes that seem inconsiderable at first that add up
to a significantly better handling camera.

I find I like the S602 much more, primarily from the standpoint of
handling. The buttons are far easier to find without looking on
the S602, which makes for much quicker handling while shooting.
The EVF is also much better, much brighter and sharper. The only
disconcerting thing about it is the autoadjustments it makes for
the brightness of the scene, but then, it also doesn't flare out
when there is a bright light in the scene as the 6900 EVF does.

Also, although I initially thought I wouldn't use the video
capability, I find now that I have it that it makes good short
clips for web sites instructional sequences.

Also, the ability to have both SmartMedia and Compact Flash cards
in the camera simultaneously gives me much more image capacity
without changing cards.

The AA batteries are a better concept than the proprietary lithium
because it greatly expands the power possibilities. I've even
built a lead acid battery belt pack that lets me keep the camera
turned on all day long (cost me US$30 to build, including
recharger). It's the same battery pack I use for my Vivitar 283
flash units (actually, I've built 4 of these battery packs, and I
can use them interchangeably between the camera and the flash
units). You can find instructions for the battery pack at
http://www.aljacobs.com .
I always worried about that ungainly and delicate accessory door on
the 6900 when used with an exterior power source, but they fixed
that quite nicely with the S602.

Image quality, all other things being equal, is unchanged, but for
me the handling changes can make the difference in whether I get
the image in the first place.
Thanks Rick- I hear what you're saying. I was very interested in the s602 but the convenience of not having to purchase extras is really enticing, especially as this is meant to be an interim camera until the price of the S2 comes down a bit. I'm now wondering if I even need to buy an interim camera after reading some of the talk about my current 4900. I am getting nice photos with it, and have had some blown up to 11 x 14 with very nice results. I just thought I would try for higher resolution. This is a recent portrait with the 4900!



I think I will show this to the guy who was debating the 4900 as well.
Thanks for your help!
 
Melissa,

I use a Vivitar 283 flash on my 4900 and my friend uses one on his S602. I'm sure it will work perfectly on the 6900. For a non-dedicated flash, you can't do much better than the 283 or 285.

John previously mentioned KEH.com and I would like to also recommend that site. I've done business with them in the past and I've never been disappointed. When I decided to move from a Fuji MX-2900 to the Fuji 4900, I purchased my 4900 from KEH.com for less than I could find it anywhere else ... excluding Ebay ... but you never know with Ebay.
If you are set on batteires and media (I've actually got eight
batterries, when Kodak was selling them for $10 a piece!), then the
6900 should be the camera you need. In the previous post WmAx
mentioned a few differences in cameras, but I don't theink these
will be critical to your intended use.

Thanks John- I just won an ebay auction for 6 more plus a rapid charger for $46. Thanks for all your help. I will look at the website you've recommended.
thanks again!

mel
 
Melissa,

I use a Vivitar 283 flash on my 4900 and my friend uses one on his
S602. I'm sure it will work perfectly on the 6900. For a
non-dedicated flash, you can't do much better than the 283 or 285.

John previously mentioned KEH.com and I would like to also
recommend that site. I've done business with them in the past and
I've never been disappointed. When I decided to move from a Fuji
MX-2900 to the Fuji 4900, I purchased my 4900 from KEH.com for less
than I could find it anywhere else ... excluding Ebay ... but you
never know with Ebay.
Thank you, I will be lookiing at the KEH website. I will also check out the Vivitar 283. I actually purchased my 4900 on ebay for about $436 a year ago. It's been a great purchase. I agree, though- I've been ripped off one time on ebay- but only because I was new to it and didn't check the person's feedback. Now, I buy pretty confidently following the $10 rule- For every 10 positive feedbacks a person has, I will spend $10. If he's got 20 I will spend $20 and so on... I just picked up a couple of GREAT backdrops for about $100 apiece. Thanks for the advice.
Mel
 
Thank you, I will be lookiing at the KEH website. I will also
check out the Vivitar 283. I actually purchased my 4900 on ebay
for about $436 a year ago. It's been a great purchase. I agree,
though- I've been ripped off one time on ebay- but only because I
was new to it and didn't check the person's feedback. Now, I buy
pretty confidently following the $10 rule- For every 10 positive
feedbacks a person has, I will spend $10. If he's got 20 I will
spend $20 and so on... I just picked up a couple of GREAT backdrops
for about $100 apiece. Thanks for the advice.
Mel
Although I used to purchase things from ebay AT LEAST twice a month, I decided to stop making purchases from ebay late last year. I was a good bidder ... always checking seller feedback before making a bid, but it didn't help me. I won an auction for a digital camera, sent the money and never got the goods ... and ended up on the LONG list of people who have been turned into victims of Ebay fraud.

It turned out that the seller had hacked into another person's ebay seller account to make it look like he was trustworthy. What made it worse was that Ebay went out of its way to avoid paying me back a single penny. The only way I was able to settle the situation was through my credit card company ... thank goodness I paid for the auction with a credit card. Later I got a nasty e-mail from Ebay telling me never to settle a dispute with a credit card company ... and that if I do that again my Ebay privaledges would be taken away.

Obviously, I wasn't to happy with that ... particularly since in the two years prior I had made $3,000+ worth of of purchases through Ebay.

I realize that Ebay has the potential for GREAT savings, but after I got a taste of how Ebay does business, and how common Ebay fraud is, I decided to never bid on anything again.
 
Their are easily percievable differences in the dynamic range between the models, and higher resolution EVF is much better on the s602. These are real, substantiated differences.

Unless you are getting the s6900 for $300 or less, I dont see why you are avoiding the $500 that the s602 can be had for from reputable online dealers. It is a better capture device, concering points I have already outlined.

BTW, color correctin is not nescarry most of the time. Simply use a grey card or expodisc(www.expodisc.com) and quicly and accurately adjust the whitebalce on the camera manually for each lite setting. Halogen lites are fine, if you can take the heat! :-)

As for a flash, this is a subject to your use. First outline your primary uses and environments for the unit.

-Chris
S602 advantages, compared to 6900:
  • Higher resolution EVF(veiwfinder)
  • Increased dynamic range(dave box targets on
http://www.imaging-resource.com demonstrate this)
  • Possibly lower noise(the samples demonstrated show clearly higher
noise in teh 6900, but I do not know which setting were used on
the 6900 on these, nor am i familir with the 6900 setting in any
detail.)

If you get a s602, then i recommend you check out my sharpening
summary on the s602's settings to achive max. image quality:

http://www.linaeum.com/productinfo/digitalcams/fuji_s602/index.html

-Chris
Thanks for the links Chris, I will check them out...and with the
info I am gathering, I think the 6900 is going to be the correct
purchase for me.
I'd also like to know if you can recommend a very good quality
external flash that is compatible with 4900 and 6900? I am using
continuous light right now which is hot in Texas! Don't laugh but I
am using regular halogen 1500w and making color adjustments in
photoshop. (Can't afford other lights right now) I am pretty new
into photography but know photoshop really well, which is a big
help with digital!! Thank you again!

Mel
 
Wow- sounds like you had a terrible experience!! It took them forever to pay me back (about 4 months) but I did get my money back eventually. I DONT like their methods of communication- very frustrating to try and get answers. Thanks for the alert about that type of scam- I will be careful.

Mel
 
Their are easily percievable differences in the dynamic range
between the models, and higher resolution EVF is much better on the
s602. These are real, substantiated differences.

Unless you are getting the s6900 for $300 or less, I dont see why
you are avoiding the $500 that the s602 can be had for from
reputable online dealers. It is a better capture device, concering
points I have already outlined.

BTW, color correctin is not nescarry most of the time. Simply use a
grey card or expodisc(www.expodisc.com) and quicly and accurately
adjust the whitebalce on the camera manually for each lite setting.
Halogen lites are fine, if you can take the heat! :-)

As for a flash, this is a subject to your use. First outline your
primary uses and environments for the unit.

-Chris
I'm going to do further investigation as to the camera choice. Like I stated, I am beginning to wonder if I even need to purchase an interim camera and just go ahead and save up for the S2. I've got a dealer putting together a nice package for me whenever I'm ready.

I didn't know there was such a thing as a grey card!! I am getting some really great information today- thank you! I need to learn more about white balance. Did you see the photo of my dogs in this thread?
Thanks for your help!

Mel
 
Why don't you list, in detail, every priority/condition the camera you need must be suited for in an itemized format. I will answer your query concerning this as best I can. Perhaps we can decide right now if you should get the 6900, s602, or just wait and get the s2 or another DSLR. I don't want to see anyone spend money that they could have saved or put towards a better device suited for their purposes.

-Chris
Their are easily percievable differences in the dynamic range
between the models, and higher resolution EVF is much better on the
s602. These are real, substantiated differences.

Unless you are getting the s6900 for $300 or less, I dont see why
you are avoiding the $500 that the s602 can be had for from
reputable online dealers. It is a better capture device, concering
points I have already outlined.

BTW, color correctin is not nescarry most of the time. Simply use a
grey card or expodisc(www.expodisc.com) and quicly and accurately
adjust the whitebalce on the camera manually for each lite setting.
Halogen lites are fine, if you can take the heat! :-)

As for a flash, this is a subject to your use. First outline your
primary uses and environments for the unit.

-Chris
I'm going to do further investigation as to the camera choice.
Like I stated, I am beginning to wonder if I even need to purchase
an interim camera and just go ahead and save up for the S2. I've
got a dealer putting together a nice package for me whenever I'm
ready.

I didn't know there was such a thing as a grey card!! I am getting
some really great information today- thank you! I need to learn
more about white balance. Did you see the photo of my dogs in this
thread?
Thanks for your help!

Mel
 
Ok-

In a word, I care about CRISP, high quality photos- pixels pixels pixels!!!

Since I do portraits, I don't care about being able to take action shots or video AT ALL. I want to take GREAT, hi-res still shots. I don't need to take photos in low light settings, my clients are pets and kids.

Needs to take smartmedia. I don't use CF with my current camera and I've got plenty of smartmedia. Don't want any extra added expenses. It would be fine to have the option though.

I want the options associated with an SLR to investigate and learn at my convenience combined with the ease of use I have with my 4900z.
Sturdy body with some weight in the hand- nothing flimsy.

I looked at the Sigma SD9 but was confused about the image output- it doesn't output jpg?
I heard it took better photos than anything out there.

However, it doesn't take the smartmedia and I'd like to stay with Fuji, since I've been so pleased with my 4900z. People rave about photos taken with this camera. The S2 may be too much camera for me. I don't know. What do you think!??
 
OK, I can now refine my suggestions.

-For crisp, accurate color portraits up to 8x10, the s602 willl suffice. But for larger prints with razor sharp quality and no visible noise, you will have to get a DSLR which has larger ccd sensor, which in turn produces much less noise which will enable very nice quality prints above 8x10 size. Of course, you can use noise reduction software(www.neatimage.com) and get beautiful prints from the s602 at sizes such as 16x20, etc., but this takes additoinal processing time and reduces some subtle details in the images by using noise reduction software. OF coures, you can print at this size without using noise reductin software and get good results. But I believe you will want the best possible results seeing as this is a tool for producing work that is for sale. Is the time it takes to use noise reduction software practical on each image to justfiy the cost difference in not buying a DSLR? You can even get away with 16x20 prints with the s602 without noise reducotn software in 'some' cases, it depends on the content of the scene, if noise is is noticable in areas.

The s2 DSLR produces extremely hi resoluton images in it's 12mp file output mode, that are virtually free of any visible noise in it's lower ISO settings. This camera is really what I suggest if you intend on regularly creating portraits that are 16x20 or larger. If not, then the s602 would suffice, given what you have specified so far.

If you intend to do field work, I recommend dSLR unconditionally for professional work though. You need the speed, flexibility, etc. that is offered by such a device in that case. But studio work is obviously forgiving in many of those points.

It does not make sense for you to restrict your choices to the media formats, especiallly when you are purchasing a DSLR. By the time you purchase a decent TTL flash, two or three medium grade lenses, dslr body, etc... you will have spent at least $4,000 if for example you purchased a S2, nikon sb-28 flash, a couple of nikor lenses, filters, camera bag, etc. But your worried about $200 worth of media cards???

-Chris
Ok-

In a word, I care about CRISP, high quality photos- pixels pixels
pixels!!!
Since I do portraits, I don't care about being able to take action
shots or video AT ALL. I want to take GREAT, hi-res still shots. I
don't need to take photos in low light settings, my clients are
pets and kids.
Needs to take smartmedia. I don't use CF with my current camera
and I've got plenty of smartmedia. Don't want any extra added
expenses. It would be fine to have the option though.
I want the options associated with an SLR to investigate and learn
at my convenience combined with the ease of use I have with my
4900z.
Sturdy body with some weight in the hand- nothing flimsy.
I looked at the Sigma SD9 but was confused about the image output-
it doesn't output jpg?
I heard it took better photos than anything out there.
However, it doesn't take the smartmedia and I'd like to stay with
Fuji, since I've been so pleased with my 4900z. People rave about
photos taken with this camera. The S2 may be too much camera for
me. I don't know. What do you think!??
 
Hi,

I'm a graphic designer and I also have a small photography
business, portraits mostly with digital imaging (adding color to b
& w, etc.). I have been using my 4900 for this and it's held up
very well with surprisingly good results. I am getting ready to
buy another camera- moving the 4900 to backup/personal status! I
was thinking of getting the 6900 since it has the 6mp output like
the S602 and they seem very similar. The 6900 also uses the same
batteries as the 4900 (this would be convenient) . What would be
the advantages of the s602 over the 6900? Are the photos of the
same quality from each of these cameras? This is all I really care
about- image quality.

Thank you so much!

Mel
--

I own both the 6900 and the 602 and within the envelope where they overlap, either will deliver top quality photos. The 602, however, has a more extensive envelope in terms of ISO speed, macro capability, and movies. In addition, it provides a much improved evf, dual memory cards, and a better battery situation. They are both wonderful, but I would go with the 602 unless there is some overwhelming economic consideration.

Jim Kennedy
 
Using the same battery is O.K. but getting away from Fuji's proprietary battery is the best thing for you. The S602 / S602Pro uses NiMh AA batteries and last for 3 to 4 hours. 2 sets of batteries and a charger at Wal-Mart cost me about $30 that’s enough power for all day shooting. The 602 has tons or great features. No more shutter lag, no need to hold down the button for the manual focus preview. GREAT LOW LIGHT! and low noise aat higher ISO settings. With the minimum ISO of 160 and very little noise up to ISO400, its great for most everything. The 6MP makes a great large file for prints up to 16" x 20". Even though the sensor is 3.3MP it does more than just rez up the image, the custom algorithm Fuji uses, makes a file equivalent to a 4.6MP camera. I have tested it using test charts and proven it.

I don't know the price of the 6900 but the 602 at about $500 is a great camera. I like mine as much and more than my Nikon 5700 5MP camera. I get great indoor and night action sports shots using my 602. The 5700 can not keep up with it in low light.

I got mine on eBay from source one digital, great people to do business with and he is a major dealer in NYC not a backroom ebay dealer. He had thousands of good feedbacks. My 602 came with all accessories, an extra 64MB memory and, 4 batteries and charger and a case for $550. Beat that!
Michael
Hi,

I'm a graphic designer and I also have a small photography
business, portraits mostly with digital imaging (adding color to b
& w, etc.). I have been using my 4900 for this and it's held up
very well with surprisingly good results. I am getting ready to
buy another camera- moving the 4900 to backup/personal status! I
was thinking of getting the 6900 since it has the 6mp output like
the S602 and they seem very similar. The 6900 also uses the same
batteries as the 4900 (this would be convenient) . What would be
the advantages of the s602 over the 6900? Are the photos of the
same quality from each of these cameras? This is all I really care
about- image quality.

Thank you so much!

Mel
--
Michael,
Fuji S602 PRO, Fuji 4900, Nikon 5700, Olympus E-10, Olympus D-600L
 

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